My news team on the ground tells me, it was a most disgraceful affair. Quite a few delegates attended the meeting with one item on their agenda … ‘run Boxhill’. Others have two, ‘run Boxhill and fire Gibson’. When attempts were made to proceed with the meeting as is customary all hell broke loose. In the middle of Pressy’s opening remarks and welcome, the leadership of the delegates from Hanover interjected and said ‘ Mr. Pressy, no bodda with all dem something deh, just mek we go straight to the vote, dats all we interested in’ (paraphrased). All kind of excitement broke out as others with the same ‘very short agenda’ join in support. At this point one member of Boxhill’s camp whispered to the brethren beside him … ‘dem know wha football look like a Hanover?’
One little teg reg overheard and quickly point out to the man sey … ‘Russeas deh a Hanover and moreover a we a the over 50 national champions … with tegat as we leading goal scorer.

My sources at the meeting all agreed that the behavior displayed by the anti Boxhill section of the crowd was embarrassingly disgraceful. The scene was so bad, somebody commented ‘bwoy this feel like the 70's, communism vs capitalism’. In fact some argue that this may have contributed to some middle of the road delegates backing away from supporting the motion. Mr. Carlton Dennis aka Spanner, big supporter of the no confidence motion was last seeing trying to batter a security man with a chair. Whew! Well at least no gun no draw, well not yet. Young Andrew Price, the Boy’s town coach, JFF everything and Senior Exec for the sponsorship company was last seeing bawling in the bathroom … ‘waaaaaaaaah! Mi caaan believe seh football in Jamaica reach dem low ya … mi don wid it’

The behavior does not surprize me one bit, cause that what i expect of many people involved in Jamaican footbal.

For all the Burrell supporters on this forum feel free to stand by your comrades, what commendable action.

I hope to see major changes at the Con-Fed level through the electoral process. It appears that many incompetents are in leadership positions.

As for the Western Con Pressy (Mr. Tomlinson) you will be voted out, too many qualified people in your neck of the woods for the West to keep you in such an influential position.

Burrell please do Jamaican Football a favor and just ride off in the sunset with your doughboys in tow, that would be the greatest contribution you could offer at this time.

Burrell is like that kid we all knew on the play ground that owned the football; when things did not go his way he picked his ball up and went home whining.

....AND WE WONDER WHY THE NATIONAL TEAM PLAYS DISJOINTED AND INDISCIPLINE FOOTBALL...
WE NUH READI YET ON AND OFF THE FIELD, AND THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY BOXHILL'S PROBLEM TO FIX, ITS OURS AND OUR APPROACH TO THE GAME IN GENERAL ON AND OFF THE FIELD.

We need to get our act together in a positive way, even when things are not to our liking.

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Originally posted by ddread:
I personally did not see this as a Boxie vs Burrie issue it was just a Boxie’s performance vs job requirements.

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Originally posted by gremo:
Maybe u didnt see it Ddread but it certainly was about that.

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No matter how nice you dress it up with a wig and heels, it is still a pig. This one wasn't really even dressed up, it was oinking and wallowing in the mud.

Does the process also allows for bribery. Where does process interest-policy ends, and Best interest of football-discretion starts.

The process also allows us to pursue numerous destructive avenues in life, would you advice to pursue them simply because they are available?

This group was not even smart in the formulation of their motion or the tactics used, a dem man ya yu want in charge of Jamaica's Football??

To all Burrell-no confidence supporters-GO JUMP IN A DEEP LAKE WITH HUNGRY ALLIGATORS!

Boxhill for a 2nd term.

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'Time for some healing'
published: Monday | January 16, 2006

Nodley Wright, Freelance Writer

AFTER ACCEPTING the congratulations of his well-wishers at the yesterday's non-voting congress of the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF), president Crenston Boxhill immediately indicated that he would extend the olive branch to his opposers who failed to unseat him with a no-confidence vote.

The motion for no confidence, which required a vote of 70 to be successful, was defeated 53-51.

"I think it is now time for some healing to take place and for all of us to work towards the development of football which I believe is the interest of everybody. Some people will have differences and as such take different roads to achieve their ends but at the same time it is the sport that should benefit," said Boxhill,who described the events leading up to the raising of the motion and the motion itself as foolishness.

That issue he repeated had nothing to do with football but the selfish interests of a specific group. He was careful to add that while he was prepared to extend the hand of peace it would not be all-embracing.

THE CONCLUSION

"Having said that though after two years I have come to the conclusion that there are some who have no intention of accepting it (the olive branch) and those will have to make way for others who want to work to the attainment of the common objective which is the development of our football," added the man who assumed his position in November 2003 after defeating the then president Captain Horace Burrell.

Yesterday's attempted vote of no-confidence marked the second occasion in which attempts were made to remove him with the former army man. Last year's attempt failed to materialise.

"This was not a fight between Boxhill and Burrell, it was a fight between Burrell and football and football won," a composed Boxhill said.

According to Boxhill, the campaign to remove him involved great expenses and the fact that it failed was a signal to him that he was doing some things right.

"Money is very important. It is almost impossible to live without it and not everything in life can be bought and today's result was testimony to that," added Boxhill, who also expressed the wish that with the defeat of the vote, his administration will now be allowed to do their job without road blocks being put in their way.

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"At the voting congress in 2003, Boxhill defeated Burrell 54-49, almost identical to yesterday's figure."

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People figet seh Boxhill didn't win by a landslide. So just a few more folks joined the baker's dozen.

Anyway, regarding the buying bizniz ,isn't that the Jamaican way of elections? Is a good thing Boxhill no have a chain fi buy puta and di likes fi no voter!! LOLOL!!

What a waste Burrell must be thinking. Let's see if he'll renew all those lucrative sponsorship parish deals.

Anyway, let's move on.

For anyone to believe that the current administration is doing a fantastic job is in a state of denial. Are you telling me that everything is all "peachy" and we are moving on up?

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Originally posted by Xy:
Lets hear Burrell's concession speech. DDread if it was not a Boxhill v Burrell 'issue' this 'no confidence' thingy would have never materialized, it was sponsored and greased all the way with Burrell's dough/funds.

Does the process also allows for bribery. Where does process interest-policy ends, and Best interest of football-discretion starts.

The process also allows us to pursue numerous destructive avenues in life, would you advice to pursue them simply because they are available?

This group was not even smart in the formulation of their motion or the tactics used, a dem man ya yu want in charge of Jamaica's Football??

To all Burrell-no confidence supporters-GO JUMP IN A DEEP LAKE WITH HUNGRY ALLIGATORS!

Boxhill for a 2nd term.

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'Time for some healing'
published: Monday | January 16, 2006

Nodley Wright, Freelance Writer

AFTER ACCEPTING the congratulations of his well-wishers at the yesterday's non-voting congress of the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF), president Crenston Boxhill immediately indicated that he would extend the olive branch to his opposers who failed to unseat him with a no-confidence vote.

The motion for no confidence, which required a vote of 70 to be successful, was defeated 53-51.

"I think it is now time for some healing to take place and for all of us to work towards the development of football which I believe is the interest of everybody. Some people will have differences and as such take different roads to achieve their ends but at the same time it is the sport that should benefit," said Boxhill,who described the events leading up to the raising of the motion and the motion itself as foolishness.

That issue he repeated had nothing to do with football but the selfish interests of a specific group. He was careful to add that while he was prepared to extend the hand of peace it would not be all-embracing.

THE CONCLUSION

"Having said that though after two years I have come to the conclusion that there are some who have no intention of accepting it (the olive branch) and those will have to make way for others who want to work to the attainment of the common objective which is the development of our football," added the man who assumed his position in November 2003 after defeating the then president Captain Horace Burrell.

Yesterday's attempted vote of no-confidence marked the second occasion in which attempts were made to remove him with the former army man. Last year's attempt failed to materialise.

"This was not a fight between Boxhill and Burrell, it was a fight between Burrell and football and football won," a composed Boxhill said.

According to Boxhill, the campaign to remove him involved great expenses and the fact that it failed was a signal to him that he was doing some things right.

"Money is very important. It is almost impossible to live without it and not everything in life can be bought and today's result was testimony to that," added Boxhill, who also expressed the wish that with the defeat of the vote, his administration will now be allowed to do their job without road blocks being put in their way.

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XY, I don't think that I have ever agreed with anything you have previously said on this forum, but THIS TIME I stand firmly in ypour corner.

Next step, the ouster of JAck warner

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Originally posted by Big Mountain:
Personally, I don't even think Burrell is the right choice, but is this the best we can do?

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BM, don't think I not looking for a GOOD candidate... I searching hills and valleys and still cyaan find none, ready, willing AND able!

Nuff a dem ready and too willing but dem no ready!!

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Originally posted by Xy:
Lets hear Burrell's concession speech. DDread if it was not a Boxhill v Burrell 'issue' this 'no confidence' thingy would have never materialized, it was sponsored and greased all the way with Burrell's dough/funds.

Does the process also allows for bribery. Where does process interest-policy ends, and Best interest of football-discretion starts.

The process also allows us to pursue numerous destructive avenues in life, would you advice to pursue them simply because they are available?

This group was not even smart in the formulation of their motion or the tactics used, a dem man ya yu want in charge of Jamaica's Football??

To all Burrell-no confidence supporters-GO JUMP IN A DEEP LAKE WITH HUNGRY ALLIGATORS!

Boxhill for a 2nd term.

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'Time for some healing'
published: Monday | January 16, 2006

Nodley Wright, Freelance Writer

AFTER ACCEPTING the congratulations of his well-wishers at the yesterday's non-voting congress of the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF), president Crenston Boxhill immediately indicated that he would extend the olive branch to his opposers who failed to unseat him with a no-confidence vote.

The motion for no confidence, which required a vote of 70 to be successful, was defeated 53-51.

"I think it is now time for some healing to take place and for all of us to work towards the development of football which I believe is the interest of everybody. Some people will have differences and as such take different roads to achieve their ends but at the same time it is the sport that should benefit," said Boxhill,who described the events leading up to the raising of the motion and the motion itself as foolishness.

That issue he repeated had nothing to do with football but the selfish interests of a specific group. He was careful to add that while he was prepared to extend the hand of peace it would not be all-embracing.

THE CONCLUSION

"Having said that though after two years I have come to the conclusion that there are some who have no intention of accepting it (the olive branch) and those will have to make way for others who want to work to the attainment of the common objective which is the development of our football," added the man who assumed his position in November 2003 after defeating the then president Captain Horace Burrell.

Yesterday's attempted vote of no-confidence marked the second occasion in which attempts were made to remove him with the former army man. Last year's attempt failed to materialise.

"This was not a fight between Boxhill and Burrell, it was a fight between Burrell and football and football won," a composed Boxhill said.

According to Boxhill, the campaign to remove him involved great expenses and the fact that it failed was a signal to him that he was doing some things right.

"Money is very important. It is almost impossible to live without it and not everything in life can be bought and today's result was testimony to that," added Boxhill, who also expressed the wish that with the defeat of the vote, his administration will now be allowed to do their job without road blocks being put in their way.

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Maybe you are correct in that the no confidence vote would not have materialized had it not been for Burrell but I am positive that had Boxhill been performing the no confidence vote would not have materialized either. So you blame Burrell for wanting to return and I am blaming Boxhill for failing to lead. Boxhill needs to learn to lead despite the opposition and don’t take it personal. It doesn’t have to get personal, that is the problem with Jamaican politics. Soon we dill hear that St. Elizabeth and Hanover are ‘bakers’ and st. andrew and st catherine are “boxers” and shot start buss. Foolinish. Vote needed fi happen, vote happened, it done. Motivate each constituent to support the leadership at least until the next vote.

If I am leading an organization and more than half of the delegates don't support me, the only way I would hang on is if this job provided my bread and butter. If I am into building, nation building that is, then lo and behold I man would resign. This is what happens in the real world, so why not in the JFF.

Burrell, buying votes by supporting parish competitions? Good thing or bad thing? Not necessarily filling a void that needs filling!!! One that the present Admin has failed to inspire local businesses to do and to say let’s move on. Thankfully Burrell has not taken up his marbles and left as XY has pointed out. Ever since his being booted from office, his expenditure has been increasing.

The Art of War? You mean Boxhill’s admin has not uncovered any fraud of the previous admin since they took office, yet we hear that this is the main stick against Burrell. He was dictatorial yet he got results. Sometimes the end does justify the means.

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So Burrell and his merry men still in the wilderness, Serves them right. For all the naysayers Boxhills presidency has proven more beneficial to Jamaica's football internally than all of Burrell's nine years.

Under Boxhill's leadership all Premier league clubs and those who qualify for the Red Stripe Ko have benefited significantly from trhe sponsorship money. In the case of the premier league teams they now have what we call secondary sponsors off setting a good deal of their expenses.

Local coaches have benefited (approximately 100 of us) from the coffers of the JFF and are liscenced by the NSCAA.

For the first time in over five years the JFF has recorded a profit.

The only plus Burrell has on Boxhill was the international presence he brought to our football but as we have all seen it was and is not sustainable. We werenot developing players and coaches locally who would be able to maintain our international profile. If the investments being made with the current youth teams are allowed to continue our fledgling international profile will grow and become sustainable.

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Originally posted by mobydick:
Let’s move on to what?

Darker future days have just gotten darker. Boxhill is not our answer, maybe not Burrell, but Boxhill still has to go.

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I guess we have just carved out our destiny...May God help us!

See you in South Africa 2010. You may choose to stay in the dark underground until the 'WAGGONIST' train comes calling. Reserve your ticket limited amount available.

Boxhill for a second term while naysayers squirm!
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Oui!!!!!

Oui!!!!!

Oui!!!!!

When we see the ascention of one Caribbean team we see the disintegration of a National Federation.

Why cant we get our acts together?

Jack Warner is destroying T&T football also.

He had a hand in the goings on in Jamaica also with his support for Burrell. Rememeber the recent furor over tha Bahrain game in Jamaica?

Jack and Burrell!

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Originally posted by mobydick:
Let’s move on to what?

If I am leading an organization and more than half of the delegates don't support me, the only way I would hang on is if this job provided my bread and butter. If I am into building, nation building that is, then lo and behold I man would resign. This is what happens in the real world, so why not in the JFF.

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The man was duly elected-as much reservations as I had about it. The delegates knew what they were getting when they elected him- he has been on the football scene for many years. He should be allowed to go about the business he was elected for. This constant destabilization is not good for Jamaica's football. If Burrell wants to regain the position he should wait until Boxhill's term is up by which time his injection of money into the parish associations should stand him in good stead.

Most people look for glitter, watching grass grow does not glitter.

No confidence thingy should be offered as a result of egregious mismanagement/behaviour, not because palms are being greased/doughed and selfish interest.

No hard feeling Wisedread, its just that I possess a unique view on the whole situation. Obviously, I know Boxhill and WD unlike most here; And, I am of the opinion that they are far from clueless and possess the requisite knowledge to take us to South Africa in 2010.

Anyway this test will only make the team stronger, speaks to the dialectical dynamics of the equation.

In the spirit of MLK "We shall overcome one day" and even the waggonist will be invited.

And as the president so rightly summized, the result is an endorsement of the administration's efforts. This after 53 of 104 delegates wanted his administration out.

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Originally posted by Xy:

No confidence thingy should be offered as a result of egregious mismanagement/behaviour, not because palms are being greased/doughed and selfish interest.

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I agree

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Originally posted by truetrini:
This whole situation is distressing.

When we see the ascention of one Caribbean team we see the disintegration of a National Federation.

Why cant we get our acts together?

Jack Warner is destroying T&T football also.

He had a hand in the goings on in Jamaica also with his support for Burrell. Rememeber the recent furor over tha Bahrain game in Jamaica?

Jack and Burrell!

I am sorry to see what is happening to Jamaican football all because some seek to put self in front of counbtry.

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TT I know you are trying to be sensitive and supportive of the Jacan massives, but why mess it up for the rest of us by calling for Warner's replacement.

Jack Warner is doing a wonderful job for CONCACAF. CONCACAF has 4 spots in the WC, thus affording JA, T & T and other smaller nations a good chance of making more than a once in a lifetime token appearance. If you can tell me this opportunity would've developed under someone else then...but if not, then I say Warner for life.

Personally, I should be upset that he doesn't throw any tournament CR's way, we have the history and infrastructure to host a tournament or two, yet nothing.

He is Trini and it is expected that he would look out for T & T. Understanding that, each federation have the responsibility to handle their affair in a manner that takes advantage of the opportunities that are available under the current scheme of things. That Bharain situation was one example of JA's continue failure to understand cause and effect. How can they act surprise? Did they expect Warner was going to forgive and forget because T & T made it...How naive. I predicted he would destroy JA football if he can and that's exactly what he is out to do.

If Warner was Jacan and achieved what he have for his country and the region there would be a statue in his honor in front of the National stadium. The only question is would Jacans have stayed out of his way long enough for him to achieve what he have.

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Originally posted by pelepapa:
TT I know you are trying to be sensitive and supportive of the Jacan massives, but why mess it up for the rest of us by calling for Warner's replacement.

Jack Warner is doing a wonderful job for CONCACAF. CONCACAF has 4 spots in the WC, thus affording JA, T & T and other smaller nations a good chance of making more than a once in a lifetime token appearance. If you can tell me this opportunity would've developed under someone else then...but if not, then I say Warner for life.

Personally, I should be upset that he doesn't throw any tournament CR's way, we have the history and infrastructure to host a tournament or two, yet nothing.

He is Trini and it is expected that he would look out for T & T. Understanding that, each federation have the responsibility to handle their affair in a manner that takes advantage of the opportunities that are available under the current scheme of things. That Bharain situation was one example of JA's continue failure to understand cause and effect. How can they act surprise? Did they expect Warner was going to forgive and forget because T & T made it...How naive. I predicted he would destroy JA football if he can and that's exactly what he is out to do.

If Warner was Jacan and achieved what he have for his country and the region there would be a statue in his honor in front of the National stadium. The only question is would Jacans have stayed out of his way long enough for him to achieve what he have.

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Was Warner out to destroy Jamaican football? Probably not? Was he seeking to help his cronies (guess who) by hurting the present JFF administration? That would be my guess.

But I can't argue with PP's point, it's not too often that he comes up with them so we have to take advantage of this. Warner is helping us out with positions in CONCACAF. Based on his diverting TT's entire ticket allocation to one of his family firms and jacking up the price tenfold, his first love is obviously his pockets, and then comed TT. In making the additional spots available for TT, though, we benefit, so long live....the 4th CONCACAF spot. Warner can go jump in the sea.