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Originally posted by truetrini:
If you or anyone else here feels that Bahrain will beat T&T,,with or without Jamaica's help..then you are sadly mistaken.

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That's the misconception that is going around. Jamaica is not helping Bahrain! No one helps someone at a cost of $1M. The norm is that when someone offers help, they do it for free. We are offering our services at a nominal fee

I think at the end of the day it will be Bahrain that will be holding the stick. Will they be surprised to see that after we take their money we will be supporting T&T? Unless they are naive. In the end, Jamaica will not lose their support for our Caribbean brothers. With or without camp, the majority of Jamaicans still favors T&T to win this and will support them.

FORMER Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) president Captain Horace Burrell has lashed out at current president Crenston Boxhill and his general secretary Burchell Gibson for claiming he is trying to destabilise the local governing body.

In fact, Burrell, in a statement issued to the press last evening, accused both Boxhill and Gibson of using him as a scapegoat to cover up their inadequacies.

Said Burrell in the statement: "Charges by both gentlemen that I am destabilising the JFF are disappointing, erroneous and regrettable."

Burrell admitted to "informing" Warner, but said it was not news, as the information was already all over the Bahraini press and in the public domain locally.

"These allegations made over the past 24 hours came as a result of information on Bahrain that I passed to Mr Jack Warner, president of CONCACAF/CFU and chief advisor to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), while discussing a number of matters on the region's football.

"It should be noted that the Bahrain information passed to... Warner in a brief regarding football around the region was already public knowledge, even to the extent of it being in the Bahrain newspaper and being publicly discussed in our local media," the statement said.

Over the weekend regional football boss Warner scolded Boxhill in the Trinidadian press and accused the JFF of "selling out" the twin-isle republic.

The regional boss called it "a sad day for Caribbean football" because he was informed that Jamaica had plans to host a one-week camp for Bahrain, which is vying with T&T for a place in next year's World Cup Finals in Germany.
"It's a sad day for Caribbean football and Caribbean unity," the newspaper quoted Warner.

"Even if they (Bahrain) had paid one million (dollar) for that facility, it should not have been enough," the paper added.
In responding to Warner's outbursts, the JFF said it was premature to suggest that it had done anything ontoward, because it had entered into no formal agreement with the Bahrain Football Association.

"No contract has been signed with Bahrain. The federation is waiting for written communication from them," JFF's first vice-president George Evans said then.

But late Monday evening, sections of the local media reported Warner disclosing that he was "informed by Captain Burrell" of the Bahraini deal with Jamaica.
It was then that Boxhill and Gibson accused Burrell of trying to destabilise the JFF.

"It is clear that this is but another attempt by Boxhill and Gibson to use me as a scapegoat to cover up their inadequacies and shortcomings. This ploy will not work," added Burrell via the statement.

"As the senior vice-president of CFU, it is within my purview to discuss, for the good of the sport, Caribbean football matters with the president, with full knowledge of my responsibilities to football in the region."

Burrell, who was beaten by Boxhill in a bitter election congress two years ago, challenged Boxhill and Gibson to produce evidence to substantiate their claim of destabilisation, and promised to reserve further comments "at this point in time until later this week".

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Burrell admitted to "informing" Warner, but said it was not news, as the information was already all over the Bahraini press and in the public domain locally.

"These allegations made over the past 24 hours came as a result of information on Bahrain that I passed to Mr Jack Warner, president of CONCACAF/CFU and chief advisor to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), while discussing a number of matters on the region's football.

"It should be noted that the Bahrain information passed to... Warner in a brief regarding football around the region was already public knowledge, even to the extent of it being in the Bahrain newspaper and being publicly discussed in our local media," the statement said.

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So how come Warner did not know about it if it was already public knowledge?
Why Burrel had to be the one informing him? Is it part of Burrell's job description to read the newspapers and update Warner about football matters in the region even when it is already public knowledge?

It is clear to me that Burrell is trying to use Warner's power and influence to force Boxhill out of office. He has been trying to magnify every little 'mistake' with the intention of getting the public and other JFF Officials to lose confidence in Boxill's ability to lead.
I agree with Boxhill, Burrell is undermining and attempting to destabilize the JFF for his own selfish gain. It appears as if he is willing to see Jamaican Football go down to prove a point.

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Originally posted by Double B:

I agree with Boxhill, Burrell is undermining and attempting to destabilize the JFF for his own selfish gain. It appears as if he is willing to see Jamaicab Football go down to prove a point.

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Originally posted by Tripeous:
Boxhill's decision shows intestinal fortitude, grit and backbone to say the least. This is what you want in a leader, some one who can and will make tough decisions.

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Respect Tripeous, my take is a little different. Boxhill's decision is cowardly and displays a serious lack of diplomacy and political astuteness. When confronted with a situation as this the onus was on Mr. Boxhill to contact and resolve the situation with Mr. Warner before it became public knowledge. Mr. Warner should have already known that the camp was going to be in Jamaica. These two should have already discussed the issue and come to an understanding before it hit the public airways. This does not mean no camp in JA, what it means is that Mr. Warner would have the opportunity to make plans and save face.

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Originally posted by redsnake:

Seh wha? Smaddy hol mi back deh, Cuz it look like a awmzouse dem want mi start in ya. Mawsa, wi a tek di JA $60,000,000 plus. Fiya bun fi all who nuh like it!!! Gimmi likkle ceroce tea mek a calm mi nerves before mi bax smaddy!! "undeserving spots"!? - Bright an outta awda!!

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The complete Concacaf region entered into one agreement.. COMPETITION.. Simple...

Jamaica owes no allegiance to no nation.. We owe Trinidad nothing but a hard game next time we meet. Dont mean we dont want to see them victorious.. And it definately dont mean we are going to stop functioning or conducting business regardless if it is not in TnT's favour..

We are not considered traitors for playing Bahrain, only for putting them up.. Allowing them to set up camp.. (We are not training them) They could of went to Miami and stayed in the hotel with the field cross the road... Would USA be considered traitors???????

TNT and all Ja haters need fi chill and stop chat rubbish.

Warner needs to remember that he is the president of Concacaf and thus should command and also extend respect and courtesy. Even if blabber mouth informer Burrell did scandalize Boxhill their must of been a less controversial, less conflicting and more professional manner of dealing with this issue..

After careful consideration I must agree this $1M move by Box was a bad move and here I was recommending di man fi Mr Tourism

This 8day camp and match too bizniz is worth $EIGHT Million (discount included to host future camps for them)

Now mi haffi tek back mi chat talk too soon
Instead Boxhill for Junior Minister for Strategic Development in the Ministry of Tourism

Can you believe my people dem still falling victims to outmoded models of suffering fraid fi back dem federation caus "wi owe T&T one", "Warner is a dangerous man" "If it was T&T" all kind a saps talk

When T&T host junior world cup and reel in millions jamaica eat grass

When US and Mexico host Gold cup and fill their coffers other concacaf nations buy tv fi watch dem games

Just stop dis sufferers nation talk and step up wid unu newly beloved prez and take what is ours

Bahrain come enjoy wi island in di sun and don't tell anybody seh onnu get such a good deal fi one mil

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Originally posted by pelepapa:
Yes redsnake or whatever you name, that's a good suggestion, drink the cerasse and calm you nerves because mi no know which smaddy you think you ah go box, then again you mussi ah joke still. Four possible spots for CONCACAF are undeserving and ah mi seh so. Haven't you been looking at the games?

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Since yu can only mention three good teams in CONCACAF maybe we only deserve 2 direct spots and the possibility of a third.

Regarding JA taking the money...mi dun know shortsighted JA nah pass up a dollar. That's why weh day mi seh JA is the most exploitable third world nation. Unnu sacrifice everything except a dollar even when that dollar ah go come back and do unnu more harm than good in the future...I guess unnu wait fi the harm fi lick unnu then unnu cry bout it with no remembrance of the shortsighted move unnu mek earlier.

Unnu affi think smarter bout things. JA is not an also ran team in the conference. They are the top 4th or 5th team in the region, and as such they have an obligation along with the other top teams to do whatever possible to uplift the region.

Even putting the unity thing aside, in this wheeling and dealing atmosphere don't unnu think JA should be building goodwill with the powers that be so they would be in a position fi cut deals in the future fi secure recurring resources from FIFA to get them over the hump...or unnu really think this one time $1,000,000 which probably is wasted already is going to do the trick.

Anyway as a CRican I should be thanking unnu. We don't need another threat to our position in the conference... the more unnu shoot unnuself in the foot the better it is fi wi.

Sorry yah what was I thinking, mi agree unnu fi tek the money yes.

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Originally posted by pelepapa:
Redsnake mi never ask if you were joking mi seh you ah joke. Yu finish with mi long time yu seh...then yu never expect mi fi respond to yu post?

Since yu can only mention three good teams in CONCACAF maybe we only deserve 2 direct spots and the possibility of a third.

Regarding JA taking the money...mi dun know shortsighted JA nah pass up a dollar. That's why weh day mi seh JA is the most exploitable third world nation. Unnu sacrifice everything except a dollar even when that dollar ah go come back and do unnu more harm than good in the future...I guess unnu wait fi the harm fi lick unnu then unnu cry bout it with no remembrance of the shortsighted move unnu mek earlier.

Unnu affi think smarter bout things. JA is not an also ran team in the conference. They are the top 4th or 5th team in the region, and as such they have an obligation along with the other top teams to do whatever possible to uplift the region.

Even putting the unity thing aside, in this wheeling and dealing atmosphere don't unnu think JA should be building goodwill with the powers that be so they would be in a position fi cut deals in the future fi secure recurring resources from FIFA to get them over the hump...or unnu really think this one time $1,000,000 which probably is wasted already is going to do the trick.

Anyway as a CRican I should be thanking unnu. We don't need another threat to our position in the conference... the more unnu shoot unnuself in the foot the better it is fi wi.

Sorry yah what was I thinking, mi agree unnu fi tek the money yes.

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As long as TT is a team that is playing at or below JA's level then we do not have to worry about cutting deals, because Warner's work to help TT will help us as well. That's the only reason TT has any hope of getting in this year with that fourth spot.

Ah bottle of Jamaican rum vs a bottle of Trinidad rum.

The game does NOT take place!

Not because of Jack Warner....but because dem Bahranis jes stir up ah hornets nest and NO game playing!

Bet?

By the way,,,tables turning, planets realigning, things returning to natural state.

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Originally posted by truetrini:
Shaggy ah making yuh ah bet.

Ah bottle of Jamaican rum vs a bottle of Trinidad rum.

The game does NOT take place!

Not because of Jack Warner....but because dem Bahranis jes stir up ah hornets nest and NO game playing!

Bet?

By the way,,,tables turning, planets realigning, things returning to natural state.

T&T ascending...Jamaica sliding!

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Mi naah mek that bet deh, after Triniman done spill di beans bout how the Bahraini press a talk bout seh the game naah play.

Is Warner fault. You don't see how the Bahraini brethren was a talk seh the JA-TT difference in views was being reported in Bahrain. So not only did Warner (and maybe Burrell, since him never argue too hard bout it) tief our $35,000, but him torpedo the 1,000,000. Burrell have him hand in problems with this game as well it seems.

@$#$%&*!

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T&T ascending...Jamaica sliding!

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Stop day dreaming and come back to earth! You been talking to too much Trinis lately it seems, because that is the general discussion topic.

Enjoy your little luck and stop worrying about Jamaica.

I don't like using the if word but remember this, if Jamaica had scored one more goal at home (either against USA, EL Salvador or Pamana) in the qualifier, then both you and the TT team would have to kiss that 4th spot goodbye.

There is no doubt in my mind (and yours too) that Jamaica would have kicked TT (and Gratu) butts both in the Office and in TT had we made it into the HEX!

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The game seems to be off since the Bahrani's are not ready to meed our fee for a friendly. The reported amount is $350,000US and not $1,000,000US.

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Originally posted by Double B:
I can't understand who we are allowing this Costa Rican 'guy' who calls himself Pele[b]poppa to be consistently disrespecting Jamaica on this site.
I probably wouldn't have a problem with it if he knew what he was talking about or he wasn't so damn sensitive about Costa Ricans and Hispanics in general.[/B]

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I have been sitting quietly and watching this dude and his arguments for a while now...You summed it up perfectly DB. This is not a personal attack on you PP, but sometimes you have to be sensitive to the Ites on this board who are predominantly Jamaicans. I think sometimes you have crossed the line. Just my thoughts boss.

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Originally posted by Double B:
I can't understand who we are allowing this Costa Rican 'guy' who calls himself Pele[b]poppa to be consistently disrespecting Jamaica on this site.
I probably wouldn't have a problem with it if he knew what he was talking about or he wasn't so damn sensitive about Costa Ricans and Hispanics in general.[/B]

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Originally posted by shaggybear:
Him supposedly have some distant aunty and uncle a JA who don't like him.

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Rubbish dat Shaggy.. He isn't calling nutten as him see it.. He is generalizing and he does mean and say what he believes. He dislikes West Indians particularly Jamaicans but speaks in a condescending mnanner whenever he gets the least opportunity.. Say something about Costa Rica and watch how dis fraud Jamaican react..

We as Jamaicans are so uncouth and indisciplined.. He says. We must work together with better off Federations so they will help us in the long run...He says... What crap.. It has been totally blatant from time. All federations are in this on their own... Concacaf is a joke...

Warner hasn't done much for us as much as most may think... Third spot WAS offered to concacaf for TnT who narrowly missed out against USA... Dem never know Jamaica woulda grab dat... The warner beg a fourth spot.

Nuh baddi never care bout Costa Rica.. Its Jamaica that got let down by labba mouth Burrell. That is our spot.. Costa rica only borrow dat.. Memba mi told yu...

People a talk bout Fifa money... If not Burrell or Warner looking after each other we would not of known about Fifa money. That fifa money built a Burrell him office that Boxhill ah cock up him foot ina. Of course Burrell want it back.. Yu see how quick Burrell shout him brethen from Sweden fi put up clause afta clause. Second Fifa money was to expand Portmore United. Boxhill guh mess wid dat too... And now him have the audacity fi get paid 1mil.. If Boxhill get that money he wont squander the monies as pele fada want unuh fi believe. Burrell would get paid and that would be the end of Burrell and the growth of JFF..

To prevent that they have created this story about stab in the back and solidarity....

Even if Jamaica does not get the monies or play the game, they will still support Trinidad and Tobago...

See dem scheming... watch dem plot...

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Originally posted by Double B:
I can't understand who we are allowing this Costa Rican 'guy' who calls himself Pele[b]poppa to be consistently disrespecting Jamaica on this site.
I probably wouldn't have a problem with it if he knew what he was talking about or he wasn't so damn sensitive about Costa Ricans and Hispanics in general.[/B]

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Double B don't tek things dem way deh mi nah dis JA. Everything mi ah seh is for the betterment of JA. Mi no even too tough pon the Trini team but mi see weh dis can hurt Ja development in the future. Sometimes the truth hurts, but it has to be said and if you don't know to put aside your emotions it might come off as a dis.

Mi just ah do the Garvey thing. Mi did tell unnu seh ah we set him on his path. As a matter of fact I'm working mi way to JA fi help clean it up...mi see it ah go tek a yeoman effort though.

You seh what hurt you is that mi no know weh mi a talk bout...you guys keep saying that and even though mi nah cut and paste unu can't point out weh mi seh something that was untrue.

If you call correcting misconceptions and challenging man weh ah hold argument by cutting and pasting articles without a clue being sensitive I guess I am guilty as charge...I am so sensitive that I pointed out that CR is a bad team while most here feel otherwise, and that they threw the game to Guate. again while most here feel otherwise...would you bring yourself to mek them chat bout JA even if the evidence ah stare you dead in the face?

set up a 10 day camp, with all the T&T game videos of 2004-2005

then ask them for a 5 year commitment for the development of football in Jamaica for US$10 mil

"F" warner, burrel, reid and all those who oppose JFF and Jamaica.

Any man try stop it, as Jack said "there are other ways in dealing with it"

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Originally posted by redsnake:
I dont have a problem with this excercising his freedom of speech and his right to express his opinion. But I thought I was the only one who notice the negativity he always puuting out toward the ites.

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Redsnake you remind mi of JT. When man ah trace mi unnu sit back and watch the ride and probably a get a kick, but as soon as mi respond unu jump up and cry bout mi negative to the ites.

Check you for example, mi mek a post, this probably the first time yu ever responded to one ah mi post but right away yu ah chat bout bax somebody like seh yu know mi.

Mi know we in cyberspace but that's no excuse fi talk to next big man dem way...when mi respond mi ah di negative one.

The few people mi trace with roun yah ah them start the name calling and tracing first...you seh you been noticing but I bet yu didn't notice that. If you so incline you can go back and check fi yuself...mi know it's difficult but try yu best to be objective this time.

Remember, respect is a two way street.

Is that supposed to be threat? Or just a warning coming for a man with power? If that’s a threat, who do u think u r Mr. Warner? If that’s a warning from a powerful man, memba “U CAN’T KEEP A GOOD MAN DOWN”

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Originally posted by pelepapa:
Redsnake you remind mi of JT. When man ah trace mi unnu sit back and watch the ride and probably a get a kick, but as soon as mi respond unu jump up and cry bout mi negative to the ites.

Check you for example, mi mek a post, this probably the first time yu ever responded to one ah mi post but right away yu ah chat bout bax somebody like seh yu know mi.

Mi know we in cyberspace but that's no excuse fi talk to next big man dem way...when mi respond mi ah di negative one.

The few people mi trace with roun yah ah them start the name calling and tracing first...you seh you been noticing but I bet yu didn't notice that. If you so incline you can go back and check fi yuself...mi know it's difficult but try yu best to be objective this time.

Remember, respect is a two way street.

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What has happened in Concacaf to suggest that we have an abundance of teams that desrving of an extra spot??

If anything the world would of possibly benefited more if Africa had four spots...

From the arguments following Liverpools right to defend their success, wouldn't the world have preferred to see the reigning champs defend it... The defending champ could of kept that spot...

FYI Pelepapa we know you like to trace, but putting that aside just as you dont like generalizations about Costa Ricans, West Indians dont accept that sort of behaviour.

Even though none was needed I think Redsnake might want your bias a** to point out where he apologized.

In your next moderator meeting you should insist that they update the rules to include a phrase stating that any non-Jacan caught making what JT considers unflattering comments about JA would be unceremoniously banned from the forum. That should rectify your little problem.

Oh yeah you wanted me to apologize right, ok. I am sorry JT thinks I am insulting Jamaicans. He promised to get help.

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Yaddi, Yaddi, I am quite sure if I wasn't speaking the truth you would be the first one to point out every untrue comment in specific order.

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On Numerous occassions Pelepapa. Many occassions. Now others have noticed. Maybe they dont know what they are talking about either.

Yes triniman... It is documented that Oceana is a weak group... But that still doesn't justify concacaf getting extra spots. Its not like concacaf is strong much less consistent.. Australia entered the Federations cup and gave a good performance. They beat Jamaica twice. But constantly have to prove they deserve a spot and against South Americans. Why not Asians or even Europeans.

Yes we can accept that Australia's fate is to fight. But the fourth spot of Concacaf could of remained for the defendind champs.. Why does concacaf need it.. What have they done that is worthy???

Lets face it.. Mexico will always be there. Second spot was taken by USA. Warner argued for another spot thinking TnT would get it, but never banked on Jamaica stealing the show.. All concacaf was surprised hence everyone elses game stepped up.. And Costa Rica jump in. everyone wanted piece. Warner made sure haiti, Cuba, honduras and Jamaica were battling away from them. And even put Panama to travel across the caribbean..

Every year unuh get a free ride.. Them spots designed for your success so dont waste it..

Next qualifier I would like to see a more fair and open selection as in the FA Cup draw.. Mek we see them pick the names out of the cup

Last WCQ we had Panama, Mexico and Canada

We still made it by qualifying first.

Yuh telling me dat warner have some kinda 10 year plan and he makes ah easy group every ten years?

Come on man.

Although I must admit, this draw was a little suspect.

Prior to that we had MUCH better teams than Jamaica

In recent times Jamaica has stepped it up and owned T&T..Jamaica had almost as easy a group as T&T..in fact Panama duss allyuh out de hex...doh blame Jack fuh dat.

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Originally posted by jt:
Yes triniman... It is documented that Oceana is a weak group... But that still doesn't justify concacaf getting extra spots. Its not like concacaf is strong much less consistent.. Australia entered the Federations cup and gave a good performance. They beat Jamaica twice. But constantly have to prove they deserve a spot and against South Americans. Why not Asians or even Europeans.

Yes we can accept that Australia's fate is to fight. But the fourth spot of Concacaf could of remained for the defendind champs.. Why does concacaf need it.. What have they done that is worthy???

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