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JahPickney
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posted 07-21-2005 07:09 PM
  
CFU Rankings - July (world rating in bracket) 1 Jamaica (41) 2 Trinidad & Tobago (58) 3 Cuba (75) 4 Haiti (87) 5 St. Lucia (118) 6 Barbados (120) 7 St Kitts & Nevis (122) 8 St Vincent & the Grenadines (128) 9 Grenada (149) 10 Suriname (151) 11 Antigua & Barbuda (154) 12 Bermuda (157) 13 British Virgin Islands (165) 14 Netherlands Antilles (166) 15 Dominica (167) 16 Dominican Republic (172) 17 Cayman Islands (177) 18 Guyana (180) 19 Bahamas (192) 20 Puerto Rico (194) 21 US Virgin Islands (196) 22 Anguilla (197) 23 Aruba (198) 24 Montserrat (202) 25 Turks & Caicos Islands (203)
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haitiball
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posted 07-21-2005 08:42 PM
Whaaaah! 87?
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haitiball
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posted 07-21-2005 08:43 PM
 I wish we get Turks & Caicos and Montserrat in the next WCQ and Jamaica get T&T and Cuba! [This message has been edited by haitiball (edited 07-21-2005).]
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youngballa
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posted 07-22-2005 07:28 PM
no worry bout tht me youth JA can take on any team from the region . when it comes to the carribean teams its a head thing and pride so Jamaican think too highly of themself when it comes to football to be knocked out of wc contention by its carib counterparts
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JahPickney
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posted 07-25-2005 04:42 PM
Haitiball, was this joy, surprise or anger? quote:
Whaaaah! 87?
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haitiball
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posted 07-25-2005 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by JahPickney:
Haitiball, was this joy, surprise or anger? [QUOTE]Whaaaah! 87?
[/QUOTE]I was just kidding. You cannot expect too much from a team that doesn't even enjoy the advantage of playing its 'home game' at home. Almost all Haiti's matches for the past 2 years were played away or on neutral fields. We often played both our home and away games against Jamaica in Kingston, where you can hardly find a Haitian! It's actually quite a feat that Haiti is ahead of some concacaf teams. Before Haiti's elimination from the wcq by its brand new rival, the team was unbeaten in 13 international matches; Haiti beat china 4-3 and tied USA 1-1. Our post-wcq record is 5 wins - 4 losses - 2 draws. Honestly, that is not very impressive for a regular national team; but, Haiti is not a regular team!
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Observer
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posted 07-25-2005 07:15 PM
How could Panama (81) be ranked below Cuba and Jamaica. No disrespect intended? But they are still in the Hex and was in the GC final
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TheDread
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posted 07-25-2005 08:00 PM
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How could Panama (81) be ranked below Cuba and Jamaica. No disrespect intended? But they are still in the Hex and was in the GC final
The GC will not be reflected in the rankings until the next one.
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ddread
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posted 07-25-2005 08:38 PM
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The GC will not be reflected in the rankings until the next one.
Well, most of the gold cup is already included. They already moved up 15 spots since the previous rankings. The cut off date was July 20. So only the semis and final games are not accounted for. They won 1 and lost one, with no goals in either.(not sure how FIFA weight PKs in tied games). I don't see them geting more than 33 more points which moves them one spot up in the region over Cuba, and an overall jump from 83 to about 70(if they get 33 pts).The interesting thing is that the Us will get more than 20 points and that moves them to #1 in the region and number 3rd or 4th in the world. How, yuh like dem apples?
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haitiball
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posted 07-25-2005 10:32 PM
Has any1 noticed mexico's poor performance in the GC? Their only true victory was against Jamaica where they luckily got away with a 1-0 win. They also beat a very uninspired guatemalan team; but, I consider that victory more psychological than anything else. Guatemala did not put up a fight.I think Mexico will slip out of the top 10 teams in the world. In Concacaf, the Mexicans will lose their leadership position to the US.
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phaiti
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posted 07-26-2005 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by haitiball:
Has any1 noticed mexico's poor performance in the GC? Their only true victory was against Jamaica where they luckily got away with a 1-0 win. They also beat a very uninspired guatemalan team; but, I consider that victory more psychological than anything else. Guatemala did not put up a fight.I think Mexico will slip out of the top 10 teams in the world. In Concacaf, the Mexicans will lose their leadership position to the US.
to tell you the truth i think Mexico was a little tired from the conf.cup, copa libertadores and the long season they had in mexico.
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A Concerned Viking
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posted 07-26-2005 04:00 AM
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Whaaaah! 87?
these rankings are jokes....watch out for Mauritius (146)... 
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haitiball
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posted 07-26-2005 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by A Concerned Viking:
these rankings are jokes....watch out for Mauritius (146)...
It's also funny to see there is no African teams among the top 20 while every1 knows that some of those top 20 teams are far from being better than Cameroon, Nigeria, Senegal, Morocco etc.
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posted 07-26-2005 07:13 AM
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It's also funny to see there is no African teams among the top 20 while every1 knows that some of those top 20 teams are far from being better than Cameroon, Nigeria, Senegal, Morocco etc.
Yep...and to top it off ....its Egypt...who's in pole position....Egypt....  my bad Mauritius ranked 143.... July 20 Rankings
Africa World Country Pts
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26 Egypt 671
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27 Cameroon 666
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29 Nigeria 659
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32 Tunisia 649
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35 Morocco 643
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38 South Africa 634
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39 Senegal 631
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44 Côte d'Ivoire 618
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53 Zimbabwe 581
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59 Mali 571
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62 Zambia 566
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67 Togo 555
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68 Angola 551
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70 Ghana 548
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73 Libya 545
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78 Congo DR 531
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79 Kenya 526
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81 Algeria 524
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89 Guinea 497
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90 Burkina Faso 496
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98 Gabon 476
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101 Botswana 471
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102 Sudan 468
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104 Rwanda 462
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108 Malawi 434
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110 Uganda 427
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112 Congo 418
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123 Cape Verde Islands 379
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125 Benin 368
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126 Ethiopia 362
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128 Liberia 359
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128 Swaziland 359
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134 Mozambique 351
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143 Mauritius 316
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144 Burundi 315
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146 Lesotho 311
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150 Madagascar 288
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156 Sierra Leone 245
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159 Chad 242
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160 Gambia 241
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160 Namibia 241
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169 Eritrea 190
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171 Equatorial Guinea 185
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173 Tanzania 171
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174 Seychelles 169
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175 Niger 166
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176 Mauritania 161
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180 Central African Republic 142
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188 Somalia 92
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191 Guinea-Bissau 84
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195 São Tomé e Príncipe 68
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201 Djibouti 38
if this list should be anything to go by...no Concacaf - team will make the top - 15.... ...and that includes US and Mexico...  [This message has been edited by A Concerned Viking (edited 07-26-2005).]
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ddread
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posted 07-27-2005 07:15 PM
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The FIFA World Rankings are trying their bestThe FIFA World Rankings are trying their best Robert Burns / Fox Soccer Channel Posted: 2 minutes ago Of all the world's major sports, the most popular game on planet earth is the one least burdened by statistics. But the Federation of International Football Associations (FIFA) couldn't leave well enough alone and in 1993 it produced the Coca-Cola World Rankings system. Their organization felt the need to categorize the sport at the international level and develop a method to assist in determining seeding for major tournaments. But do the numbers add up? Baseball is a numbers fanatic's dream. Cricket? The scoresheet is filled with numbers that only a handful on the planet know what any of them mean. In American football, each and every play is crunched down to yards gained, yards to go to adavance further and some percentage or average to rate the players involved. But soccer is as basic as it is beautiful. Play for ninety minutes and score a few goals to win the match. At the end of each season, whoever scores the most tallies ends up with a golden boot — simple. But as the saying goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time, so in 1993, FIFA employed two men, Dr. Markus Lamprecht and Dr. Hanspeter Stamm, to develop a system of ranking the world's national teams. And that's where the discussion began. The geniuses at FIFA attempted to place a numerical value on a game that simply isn't about numbers, besides that final score of course. But their hearts were in the right place. What many people fail to understand about the FIFA World Rankings is that they are weighted on performance over the past eight years and not simply on present form. Regional strength is also factored in (by multiplying the relative strength of each confederation based on — you guessed it — the World Rankings themselves!), along with values for numbers of goals scored, home or away results, and of course the importance of the match itself (a World Cup match is weighted exactly twice as much as a friendly). The intricacies are mindboggling, perhaps even more baffling than the results they produce, but intricate to say the least. The FIFA Coca-Cola World Rankings have been debated and disputed since the first day of their inception. The original system was flatly based on a scoring system similar to most club leagues, but this failed to take into consideration such factors as strength of confederation, shootout wins or losses or any other number of criteria which greatly skewed the accuracy of the world standings. Slightly better prepared, FIFA went to great lengths in 1999 to rate more accurately the relative strengths of the world's footballing nations and revised the system entirely. The new and improved world rankings factored in so many different scenarios that the W.O.P.R. computer in War Games would have shut itself down for fear of digital overload. But this solved the obvious flaws within the rankings, right? Of course not. The most recent FIFA World Rankings caused quite a stir as the United States and Mexico ranked ahead of such storied nations as England, France, Italy and Germany. American and English fans quarreled online over the legitimacy of the rankings. How could the U.S. be better than England after England just defeated the U.S. in Chicago no less? The plain truth of the matter if that they are not. They may be to FIFA's computer program, but not to any rationally thinking soccer pundit. Soccer, more than anything else, is about passion and emotion, and emotion is something a computer program is sorely lacking. But at the end of the day, the numbers don't truly represent anything more than an accurate rendering of the criteria established by the programmers themselves. Change a few numbers around in the database and Les Bleus are still on top of the world. Tweak the Fibonacci sequence here or there and England still gets credit for the 1966 World Cup they keep jawing on and on about. Take the FIFA World Rankings with a grain of salt. It makes for fun banter amongst rivals but nothing to head to Vegas with in order to make an informed bet. For that, one would be better served to simply sit in a packed stadium and feel the hairs on the arm stand on end when the super-sub rifles in the game winner in the 90th minute. That's something a computer will never feel.
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posted 07-27-2005 09:59 PM
The rankings are a joke and all the other statistics they list during the games are useless if they think it tells a story of the game. I year for the day when the only stats you saw was the score.The more prominent the USA become in the world of Football the more the game takes on a feel of one of their sport where these stupid stats might mean something.
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haitiball
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posted 07-27-2005 10:29 PM
I can't even remember when was the last time USA beat one of the top European teams.
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youngballa
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posted 07-27-2005 11:15 PM
the US like to be at the top butin football no the lack the flair to be a rated such as a England Brazil etc. personally me no watch the numbers cause us could'nt beat an English B team at home. and as far as the world cup goes unless a miracle happen them naw win . atleast cant win sorry but its true
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truetrini
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posted 07-28-2005 01:06 AM
Haitiball yuh doh remember the licking the USA put on Portugal last World Cup?
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haitiball
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posted 07-28-2005 08:56 AM
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Haitiball yuh doh remember the licking the USA put on Portugal last World Cup?
True. I completely forgot that one. Portugal is by all means a European power eventhough the national team is a perpetual failure. [This message has been edited by haitiball (edited 07-28-2005).]
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A Concerned Viking
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posted 07-28-2005 09:07 AM
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True. I completely forgot that one.Portugal is by all means a European power eventhough the national team is a perpetual failure. [This message has been edited by haitiball (edited 07-28-2005).]
well south korea beat them too...its no feat beating the Portuguese...Morocco outclassed them in WC86 3-1 ...drawing with England and Poland...speaking about Poland...How did US fare against them in the last WC....
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haitiball
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posted 07-28-2005 09:17 AM
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well south korea beat them too...its no feat beating the Portuguese...Morocco outclassed them in WC86 3-1 ...drawing with England and Poland...speaking about Poland...How did US fare against them in the last WC....
Well, we still cannot deny that Portugal is one of Europe's top teams.
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haitiball
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posted 07-28-2005 09:34 AM
Somebody in this forum had mentioned 'mentality' (mindset) as an important factor in winning a soccer match. That is so obvious in the case of Portugal and Spain. Even the worst England or german team is susceptible to beat the most skillful portuguese selection.It looks like the former conquistadores have lost their conquering spirit; sometimes, they play just like second class nations filled up with the same destrutive complex that characterises us in the caribbean when it comes to play USA and Mexico.
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posted 07-28-2005 09:53 AM
For what it is, I think the ranking is reasonably accurate especially against teams that play each other regularly. It wont predict the outcome of games (nothing can do that) just the likely outcome, based on the past 8 years performance of the given teams.Don’t hate the rankings, hate your rank.
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haitiball
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posted 07-28-2005 10:06 AM
I guess that's why some people call it an upset when a west african team beats a high ranked european team. Those teams play in two different confeds; thus, their ranks do not reflect their comparative strenght.[This message has been edited by haitiball (edited 07-28-2005).]
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ddread
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posted 07-28-2005 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by haitiball:
I guess that's why some people call it an upset when a west african team beats a high ranked european team. Those teams play in two different confeds; thus, their ranks do not reflect their comparative strenght.
Yes, and the more teams from other confeds play each other the more accurate the overall rankings will be. Most European teams get ranked in our minds because they play in Europe. Many of them are good but many are only good in our minds. If they play outside of Europe regularly the aura would dissolve.
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posted 07-28-2005 10:35 AM
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Well, we still cannot deny that Portugal is one of Europe's top teams.
Why not...they only qualified for 3 WC in England 1966..finished 3th...(with a bit of help from the africans)...1986 in Mexico...kicked out in the first round...although beating England...and Korea/Japan 2002 kicked out in the first round...hardly impressive...
Eurochampionships...only qualified for 4 out of 12 tournaments...84 in France, 96 in England, 2000 Holland/Belgium, 2004 (as hosts)...never won anything... They might dominate things in Europe for a limited period of time...got decent club teams who can win a tournament once in a while...Benfica, Porto..Lisbon...but to say thet are a top team....well do you still consider Hungary ...with their legends like Puskas and Co..for a powerhouse in europe...???
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haitiball
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posted 07-28-2005 10:53 AM
Com'on, CV. Portugal deserves a little bit more respect. The teams has produced some of the finest players in soccer history. Eusebio (I know you gonna say he was African), Bobo, Chananna, Figo etc.By the way, can you make a list of 10 europeans teams that are currently better than Portugal?
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posted 07-28-2005 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by haitiball:
I guess that's why some people call it an upset when a west african team beats a high ranked european team. Those teams play in two different confeds; thus, their ranks do not reflect their comparative strenght.[This message has been edited by haitiball (edited 07-28-2005).]
guess you will have to define upset then those with a bit of knowledge about football do not consider it a shock or an upset when african teams beats top european teams ...Algeria and Cameroun showed that back in 82...the CAF will in the next few years overtake the COMMEMBOL as the next best confederation after UEFA....as for the CONCACAF ...there are some interesting teams...but the organization of the teams, the talent the players are quite inferior to lets say the CAF...(generally speaking) at the present time....often wondered why so many people hyped about that Freddy (c)A(n)du (?) character....but compared to that lacklustre talentpool in the CONCACAF i'm beginning to see why he is so eyecatching... ..
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posted 07-28-2005 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by haitiball:
Com'on, CV. Portugal deserves a little bit more respect. The teams has produced some of the finest players in soccer history. Eusebio (I know you gonna say he was African), Bobo, Chananna, Figo etc.By the way, can you make a list of 10 europeans teams that are currently better than Portugal?
Yep...The Black Pearl/Panther is the best african player ever....no Roger Milla, George Weah or "SCUM" Vieira.... 10 European team better than Portugal...?? that is beat them in a 2-legged tie..home and away... 1) The Netherlands
2) Czech Republic
3) Spain
4) Italy
5) England
6) Sweden
7) Turkey
8) Ukraine
9) Serbia
10) Denmark
11) Croatia
12) Germany...
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haitiball
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posted 07-28-2005 11:37 AM
08-JUN-05 TALLINN (Estonia) Estonia vs. Portugal 0:1 (0:1)
04-JUN-05 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Slovakia 2:0 (2:0)
30-MAR-05 BRATISLAVA (Slovakia) Slovakia vs. Portugal 1:1 (1:0)
26-MAR-05 BARCELOS (Portugal) Portugal vs. Canada 4:1 (2:0)
09-FEB-05 DUBLIN (Republic of Ireland) Ireland Republic vs. Portugal 1:0 (1:0)
17-NOV-04 LUXEMBOURG (Luxembourg) Luxembourg vs. Portugal 0:5 (0:2)
13-OCT-04 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Russia 7:1 (3:0)
09-OCT-04 VADUZ (Liechtenstein) Liechtenstein vs. Portugal 2:2 (0:2)
08-SEP-04 LEIRIA (Portugal) Portugal vs. Estonia 4:0 (0:0)
04-SEP-04 RIGA (Latvia) Latvia vs. Portugal 0:2 (0:0)
04-JUL-04 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Greece 0:1 (0:0)
30-JUN-04 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Netherlands 2:1 (1:0)**
24-JUN-04 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. England 2:2 a.e.t (1:1, 0:1) 6:5 PSO **
20-JUN-04 LISBON (Portugal) Spain vs. Portugal 0:1 (0:0)
16-JUN-04 LISBON (Portugal) Russia vs. Portugal 0:2 (0:1) **
12-JUN-04 PORTO (Portugal) Portugal vs. Greece 1:2 (0:1)
05-JUN-04 ALCOCHETE (Portugal) Portugal vs. Lithuania 4:1 (2:0)
29-MAY-04 AGUEDA (Portugal) Portugal vs. Luxembourg 3:0 (3:0)
28-APR-04 COIMBRA (Portugal) Portugal vs. Sweden 2:2 (1:1)**
31-MAR-04 BRAGA (Portugal) Portugal vs. Italy 1:2 (1:1)
18-FEB-04 LOULE (Portugal) Portugal vs. England 1:1 (0:0)**
19-NOV-03 LEIRIA (Portugal) Portugal vs. Kuwait 8:0 (4:0)
15-NOV-03 AVEIRO (Portugal) Portugal vs. Greece 1:1 (0:0)
11-OCT-03 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Albania 5:3 (1:2)
10-SEP-03 OSLO (Norway) Norway vs. Portugal 0:1 (0:1)
06-SEP-03 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Spain 0:3 (0:1)
20-AUG-03 CHAVES (Portugal) Portugal vs. Kazakhstan 1:0 (0:0)
10-JUN-03 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Bolivia 4:0 (3:0)
06-JUN-03 BRAGA (Portugal) Portugal vs. Paraguay 0:0
30-APR-03 EINDHOVEN (Netherlands) Netherlands vs. Portugal 1:1 (1:0)
02-APR-03 LAUSANNE (Switzerland) Portugal vs. Macedonia FYR 1:0 (1:0)
29-MAR-03 PORTO (Portugal) Portugal vs. Brazil 2:1 (1:0)**
12-FEB-03 GENOA (Italy) Italy vs. Portugal 1:0 (0:0)
20-NOV-02 BRAGA (Portugal) Portugal vs. Scotland 2:0 (2:0)
16-OCT-02 GOTHENBURG (Sweden) Sweden vs. Portugal 2:3 (2:1) **
12-OCT-02 LISBON (Portugal) Portugal vs. Tunisia 1:1 (1:1)
07-SEP-02 BIRMINGHAM (England) England vs. Portugal 1:1 (1:0)
14-JUN-02 INCHEON (Korea Republic) Portugal vs. Korea Republic 0:1 (0:0)
10-JUN-02 JEONJU (Korea Republic) Portugal vs. Poland 4:0 (1:0) **
05-JUN-02 SUWON (Korea Republic)USA vs. Portugal 3:2 (3:1)[This message has been edited by haitiball (edited 07-28-2005).]
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A Concerned Viking
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posted 07-28-2005 11:43 AM
What took you so long Mon Ami... .. quote:
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09-OCT-04 VADUZ (Liechtenstein) Liechtenstein vs. Portugal 2:2 (0:2)
My god they were held by Liechtenstein....
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posted 07-28-2005 11:55 AM
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What took you so long Mon Ami... .. My god they were held by Liechtenstein....
Did you check their record against your top 12? Check their result against England, Sweden, and the Netherlands. Show the white flag, cry outloud the word 'Peace' so that the whole soccer world can hear it; then apologise to Portugal for having dissed them so bad. DO IT NOW [This message has been edited by haitiball (edited 07-28-2005).]
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posted 07-28-2005 12:01 PM
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Did you check their record against your top 12? Check their result against England, Sweden, and the Netherlands.
yes...but didn't you state currently...lots of draws yes..couple of wins against Sweden and Netherlands....what does the ** imply..??
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posted 07-28-2005 12:08 PM
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yes...but didn't you state currently...lots of draws yes..couple of wins against Sweden and Netherlands....what does the ** imply..??
It implies that this is wrong:
10 European team better than Portugal...?? that is beat them in a 2-legged tie..home and away... 1) The Netherlands
2) Czech Republic
3) Spain
4) Italy
5) England
6) Sweden
7) Turkey
8) Ukraine
9) Serbia
10) Denmark
11) Croatia
12) Germany... Show the white flag, cry outloud the word 'Peace' so that the whole soccer world can hear it; then apologise to Portugal for having dissed them so bad. DO IT NOW
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posted 07-28-2005 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by haitiball:
It implies that this is wrong:10 European team better than Portugal...?? that is beat them in a 2-legged tie..home and away... 1) The Netherlands
2) Czech Republic
3) Spain
4) Italy
5) England
6) Sweden
7) Turkey
8) Ukraine
9) Serbia
10) Denmark
11) Croatia
12) Germany... Show the white flag, cry outloud the word 'Peace' so that the whole soccer world can hear it; then apologise to Portugal for having dissed them so bad. DO IT NOW
...it seeeeeeeeeeems you got a point or 2...but judging from the current WC-qualification matches...i still reckon the 12 teams can beat Portugal.... Me dissing Portugal bad..??....well mon ami..they apparently played to a draw with Liechenstein...thats bad...and i have nothing to do with that....
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