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Topic: Damian Marley's Video - Blessing or a...
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Big Mountain Member
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posted 07-11-2005 12:50 PM
Was watching MTV yesterday with a group of International friends who came to visit. Damian Marley's video "Welcome to Jamrock" came on. I was in shock and awe. What was this guy thinking? He chooses to dirtiest streets with garbage piling up on both sides, people living in carboard boxes, shattered zinc homes, man eating out of garbage bins. Utterly disgusting to see the image this guy is broadcasting to the world. Not to mention the Jamaican Flag featured in the video was on a wall with paint peeling and filled with gunshot holes.
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Big Mountain Member
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posted 07-11-2005 12:58 PM
...To top it off he named the song "Welcome to Jamrock". As if this is how we live on the rock. I know these things exist in Jamaica and every country in the world for that matter but why make a video depicting Jamaicans living in garbage and extreme poverty and filth. One of the guys asked me who has never visited Jamaica, "does this guy really loves Jamaica?"Luckily, Wayne Wonder's video came up with some beautiful Jamaican girls dancing on the beach and saved the day. What was this guy thinking? [This message has been edited by Big Mountain (edited 07-11-2005).]
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Jagga Moderator
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posted 07-11-2005 01:00 PM
I think this is one of the most powerful reality songs to come out of Jamrock this year.
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Tripeous Member
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posted 07-11-2005 01:08 PM
Have you listened to the lyrics?
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Lyod Member
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posted 07-11-2005 01:15 PM
You really need to listen to the song...The video is a straight on depiction of the song.
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Princess Moderator
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posted 07-11-2005 01:46 PM
BM, seems like you miss the whole point of the video/song.
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TheDread Member
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posted 07-11-2005 02:13 PM
BM, there is always the other side to paradise.
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HaitianSensation Member
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posted 07-11-2005 02:21 PM
You can check out the video here. It loads slow: www.ghettoyouths.com/jamrock.mov
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player Member
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posted 07-11-2005 03:03 PM
All you stuff you see in his videos is part of what he sings in his song. The song itself is a hit.Here are some of the words... quote:
“Out in the streets, they call it murder!!!!”Verse 1: Welcome to Jamrock, camp where di thugs dem camp at Two pound a weed inna van bag It inna yuh hand bag, yuh knapsack it inna yuh back pack Di smell a give yuh girlfriend contact Some bwoy nah notice, dem only come around like tourist On di beach wid a few club sodas Bedtime stories, and pose like dem name Chuck Norris And don’t know di real hardcore Cause (?) a nuh back too, di thugs dem weh do weh dem got to And won’t tink twice to shot yuh Don’t mek dem spot yuh, unless yuh carry guns aloit A bare tuff tings come at yuh When Trenchtown man stop laugh and block off traffic Then dem wheel and pop off and dem start clap it Wid di pin file dung and it a beat drop it Police come inna jeep and dem caan stop it Some seh dem a playbwoy a playbwoy rabbit Funnyman a get dropped like a bad habit So nuh bodda pose tuff if yuh don’t have it Rastafari stands alone Chorus: (“Ini Kamoze sample”) Welcome to Jamrock, Welcome to Jamrock “Out in the streets, they call it murder!!!!”) Verse 2: Welcome to Jamdown, poor people a dead at random Political violence caan dun Pure ghost and phantom, di yute dem get blind by stardom Now di Kings Of Kings a call Old man to pickney, so wave oonu hand if yuh wid mi To see di sufferation sick mi Dem suit nuh fit mi, to win election dem trick we They they don’t do nuttin at all Come on let’s face it, a ghetto education’s basic A most a di yutes dem waste it And when dem waste it, dat’s when they tek di guns replace it Then dem don’t stand a chance at all And dat’s why a nuff likkle yute have up some fat matics Wid di extra magazine inna dem back pocket And have leisure night time inna some black jacket All who nah lock glocks a dem a lock rocket Then we full yuh up a current like a short circuit Dem a run a roadblock which part di cops block it And from now till a mornin nuh stop clock it If dem run outta round I brought back ratchet
You wouldn't expect his video to show kids running around, holding hands and having a good time. Or families laying on a green grass, watching the sunset, living in utopia. The guy is singing about violence. However for ppl who don't know anything about Jamrock, the video doesn't help.
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Mahdu Member
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posted 07-11-2005 03:46 PM
Looks like the my old hauntsPortion of Collie Smith drive going thru Rema Shots of what looks like a portion of Jungle called Pegasus Not sure of the zinc area ... Could be a place called "Hopeful" adjoining Arnett Gardens and Admiral Town or could be riverton Bob Marley used to come thru Back in the days because he came from off the endz. Link some of him ole fren dem n move again Dun know him couldn't too go too far down Collie Smith drive
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Big Mountain Member
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posted 07-11-2005 04:40 PM
Trust me Guys, I totally understood what he was singing and hence the video. If this was selling and being marketed in Jamaica ONLY, then yes! It's a hit and depicting some reality in Jamaica.However, on the International scene, how many people outside Jamaica understand those lyrics? Visual image is stronger than the lyrics. And, since most people don't understand the lyrics, all they see is garbage and filth. That's not what Jamaica and Reggae muzik is all about. People outside Jamaica are not really interested in our social and political dilema, unless they want to use it against us. Therefore, why distress them with such visual image. If I was a tourist and have never been to Jamaica and saw this video, I would think twice about my travel plans.
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posted 07-11-2005 04:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Tripeous: Have you listened to the lyrics?
We have to remember that Reggae is now bigger than Jamaica. I don't think releasing those Lyrics on the International scene helps either. Since Jamaica is trying to recover it's image and boost tourism. This is not what a potential visitor wants to hear. Does anyone else see my point?
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posted 07-11-2005 04:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Big Mountain: Trust me Guys, I totally understood what he was singing and hence the video. If this was selling and being marketed in Jamaica ONLY, then yes! It's a hit and depicting some reality in Jamaica.However, on the International scene, how many people outside Jamaica understand those lyrics? Visual image is stronger than the lyrics. And, since most people don't understand the lyrics, all they see is garbage and filth. That's not what Jamaica and Reggae muzik is all about. People outside Jamaica are not really interested in our social and political dilema, unless they want to use it against us. Therefore, why distress them with such visual image. If I was a tourist and have never been to Jamaica and saw this video, I would think twice about my travel plans.
I understand yu feelings, mawsa. Nobody naw come rescue wi afta dem watch da video deh. All dem aggo seh when dem watch dat is: " Is that everything those black people can do to help themselves" . Marley needs to be more more socially and politically contious. Him cant do a video like that and just leave it at that.
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Tripeous Member
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posted 07-11-2005 05:05 PM
While you're at it BM, remeber that Bob Marley sang "I shot the Sherrif" and that has not hinder the tourist from coming still. The District of Columbia (DC) is infested with a lot of run down buildings and also crime riddle. Yet, the tour buses are lined up in droves. Tourist a ediat, they know that every city has it's problem. After all some of them grew up in inner cities and later on move to the burbs.
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posted 07-11-2005 05:24 PM
Trippy - "I shot the Sheriff" was not a Bob Marley orginal song. This was written and performed by Eric Clapton. Therefore, this would not have any negative effect on Jamaica. Trust me, people visiting DC have never seen images like what we are depicting about our beloved country. When you see images on DC, you see the White House, Washington Monument, Art Museums, Capitol Hill, etc. There are no mages of broken down houses or garbage decorated streets. That's hidden reality!
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posted 07-11-2005 05:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Big Mountain: Trippy - "I shot the Sheriff" was not a Bob Marley orginal song. This was written and performed by Eric Clapton. Therefore, this would not have any negative effect on Jamaica. Trust me, people visiting DC have never seen images like what we are depicting about our beloved country. When you see images on DC, you see the White House, Washington Monument, Art Museums, Capitol Hill, etc. There are no mages of broken down houses or garbage decorated streets. That's hidden reality!
Big Correction.... " I shot the Sheriff" was writted by none other that " Robert Nesta Marley"
........I guess yuh nuh know ...
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posted 07-11-2005 05:42 PM
BM, I think your concerns are strange. We have a wide range of artiste who tells many a different stories through their songs. In a lot of the instances the stories are positive and the appropriate videos are done to support the positive message of the song. In this video the youth is relating a story not very positive but totally true. These are stories that are not unique to us and are reflections of part of the real Jamaica that we live in. In pretty much the same way movie makers have scripted movies showing some of the most disgusting things that happens all over America and the world. I don't hear the American people saying ... 'don't show the world that dem things a happen here'! Do people eat out of garbage bins in America? Are shotta's firing shots puncturing buildings in America? Are dangerously evil people existing over there? I don't see one thing filmed in this video that could not easily be filmed a million places all over the world. BM, trust me it would be a stupid mind that sterotype all of Jamaica to be what the young Marley is singing about.
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Big Mountain Member
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posted 07-11-2005 05:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by ATU: Big Correction.... " I shot the Sheriff" was writted by none other that " Robert Nesta Marley"
........I guess yuh nuh know ...
My bad...you are right sir? Originally written and produced by Robert Nesta Marley. Eric Clapton's version was a remix. Still the song had no negative effect on Jamaica or Bob.
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posted 07-11-2005 06:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Big Mountain: We have to remember that Reggae is now bigger than Jamaica. I don't think releasing those Lyrics on the International scene helps either. Since Jamaica is trying to recover it's image and boost tourism. This is not what a potential visitor wants to hear. Does anyone else see my point?
Eh ah NAW. Definately not... U need to give tourist more credit than that. First of all the world knows Bob Marley and knows he is involved in social commentary. Its is natural and easy to accept that his son is doing the same. As Mutabaruka spits, Of course we can sing bout flowers in a park and how we walk and talk wid wi woman bla blah blah.. But whe di use wi a sing bout dem sumthing deh when if yu sit dung ina di park man come tek weh yu woman and rape har. Shoot u up and mash up the flowers blah blah blah... The yute dem ina di ghetto a suffer.. We haffi sing bout dem tings deh!!!! Damien Marley is singing, reciting his views. This is not his version of the National Festival Song entry... A wha wrong wid yu Bigs... The Tourist Board has leaflets, brochures and representatives out there promoting the other side of Jamaica where ordinary Jamaicans are prohibited from using the Beaches that they are allowed to use by order of the laws of Jamaica. Anyone who really sits there and accepts that Jamaica is only what they see in that video need not apply. Simple. Its no different when someone for example the guy from the Scatta Dread Stewart thread shouts all Jamaicans are ganja smoking drugz peddling dreadlocks people. So what does PJ Patterson look like.. Should we bother sending him to the UN meetings????? Tell the tourists that if they get sick their doctor will be a weed smoking wid big chalice and smoke everywhere and locks down to him toe. Wid a big SLR over him shoulder. I think the real issue is whether or not you are proud of your island and accept that there are poor and rich, good and bad...
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posted 07-11-2005 06:13 PM
The video does show the "other side" of Jamaica and reinforces the notion that the island is a violent, poverty-stricken state. Nevertheless, this is Jamaica at present, and the enlightened traveler (those who do their research about the place to which they will travel) will not expect any place he or she visits around the world to be a total utopia.[This message has been edited by MikeU (edited 07-11-2005).]
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posted 07-11-2005 06:21 PM
BM,What kind of Video would you use to tell the story of this song? Bob Marley Song: Ambush in the Night
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See them fighting for power But they know not the hour So they bribing with Their guns, spare-parts and money Trying to belittle our integrity They say what we know Is just what they teach us Thru political strategy They keep us hungry When you gonna get some food Your brother got to be your enemy Ambush in the night All guns aiming at me Ambush in the night They opened fire on me Ambush in the night Protected by His Majesty See them fighting for power But they know not the hour So they bribing With their guns, spare-parts and money Trying to belittle our integrity Well what we know Is not what they tell us We're not ignorant, I mean it And they just could not touch us Thru the powers of the most high We keep on surfacing Thru the powers of the most high We keep on surviving Ambush in the night Planned by society Ambush in the night They are trying to conquer me Ambush in the night Anything money can bring Ambush in the night Planned by society Ambush in the night Would a scene at the beach or a journey through our most scenic, beautiful countryside do? No! Sounds like scenes from a turf war in West Kingston or Spanish Town would best tell this story. Get mi drift BM?
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posted 07-11-2005 06:25 PM
BM, the first time you go NY mi sure you wuz expecting to see graffiti painted walls, everybody breakdancin' on the street corna, crack heads and di likes! And if you lissen 'Black-rap-hip-hop' you hear any different?Like SA seh, your statement is a bit strange. And for a yute whe seh u come from whe GG an' di res' a we grow, it's extra strange. Like you livin' in di burbs too long. No half-decent-self-respecting tourist-wanna-be gwine to see that video and cancel trip. [This message has been edited by Princess (edited 07-11-2005).]
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posted 07-11-2005 06:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Big Mountain: Was watching MTV yesterday with a group of International friends who came to visit.
Where are these friends from? Cause mi no know no country in the world that don't have their share of 'dark communities.'
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Big Mountain Member
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posted 07-11-2005 07:25 PM
I guess the heat coming from all directions . But Mi nah tek back nuh chat!I only have one question...when you are showing off your house, do you take them to the out-house and show them all the flies and then take them to bedroom and show them all the cobwebs and dirt accumulated there? Or do you take them to a clean comfortable area and entertain them? Now, if your answer is "yes". Do you show them the dirt to gain sympathy in the hope that they will help you or yuh want show dem that yuh nasty? My case is, why show the world such filth given the simple minds out there? What's the positive coming from this video? Can they help us? While you can show something more appealing. Trust me, If Damien Marley had shown both sides of Jamaica in this video - Then there would not be any discussion. For those of you who are questioning my loyalty or find it strange. If someone was showing a video of the inside of your house, on TV in a messy condition, a lot of you would run and pull the plug. Now where is your loyalty? [This message has been edited by Big Mountain (edited 07-11-2005).]
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posted 07-11-2005 07:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by MikeU: The video does show the "other side" of Jamaica and reinforces the notion that the island is a violent, poverty-stricken state. [This message has been edited by MikeU (edited 07-11-2005).]
Exactly my point! Why reinforce this on the world stage? Why encourage this notion? The question you all must ask yourself... 1. Can this video help Jamaica's image? 2. Can this video help Jamaica's youth? 3. Can this video reduce crime? 4. Can this video helps Jamaica's economy? 5. Can this video helps Jamaica's tourism? To me, there is nothing positive about this video except it make D. Marley richer. Now what's he doing to help? Is he donating the proceeds of this video to help the cause?
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posted 07-11-2005 07:36 PM
BM, that video will have very little impact on tourism in JA. The song has relevance to many throughout the world, not just JA.Remember a lickle movie called The Harder They Come? It did show parts of Jamaica that was dark and seedy, but it did not impact tourism.
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Big Mountain Member
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posted 07-11-2005 07:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Princess: BM, Like SA seh, your statement is a bit strange. And for a yute whe seh u come from whe GG an' di res' a we grow, it's extra strange. [This message has been edited by Princess (edited 07-11-2005).]
The funny thing is Ms. P, is that as much as I have access to Hotels in JA. I always prefers to stay at that little part of the Rock...right down Escarpment Road. And if dem eva show dat pon Tv, mi woulda haffi... 
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posted 07-11-2005 08:48 PM
QUOTETheDread Member posted 07-11-2005 07:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BM, that video will have very little impact on tourism in JA. The song has relevance to many throughout the world, not just JA. Remember a lickle movie called The Harder They Come? It did show parts of Jamaica that was dark and seedy, but it did not impact tourism. Wow!! BM needs to take a look at Jamaican movies like:
1.SHOTTAZ 2.Dance Hall Queen 3.Gangster's Paradise(NOT sure about the title) it features.....Beenie as a drug Don,Vybes Kartel and Ninja.........if tourist did not stop going to Jamaica after Shottas..........have no fear my good man ....we safe till Castro dead and Cuba becomes the play ground for the rich and famous
No to censorship boss.....freedom of speech.....please appreciate it.....if Junior Gong lived in China he would have disappeared in the middle of the night....4ever  I think I have said this before on the forum....regarding the statue at Emancipation park.........do you know if you walk through the Port Authority at 42nd street in NY....on any news stand you can find a copy of Jamaica's X-News....(I might call it filth but hey)............right next to the NY Times and the Washington Post.....with headlines screaming ....."Duppy have sex with home less woman"????.....or "School Sex Bus"????.....WOW!!!! Could Jamrock be art imitating life or life imitating art?? [This message has been edited by LINCOLN (edited 07-11-2005).] [This message has been edited by LINCOLN (edited 07-11-2005).] [This message has been edited by LINCOLN (edited 07-11-2005).]
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posted 07-11-2005 11:37 PM
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posted 07-11-2005 11:40 PM
It appears South Africa just dropped off completely the list from second spot @~.51per.
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posted 07-12-2005 05:52 AM
Watch wha you a say BM. I remember when nuff uppity people used to call Bob Marley the nasty head bwoy cause him did start locks and call himself rasta. A wonda if u was one a di uppity people?
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posted 07-12-2005 06:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by jamdown: Watch wha you a say BM. I remember when nuff uppity people used to call Bob Marley the nasty head bwoy cause him did start locks and call himself rasta. A wonda if u was one a di uppity people?
Back off wid dem foolishness deh. Yuh nuh see the bredda already admit the error of his ways. Bwoy, yuh nah diss nuh elder round here.
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posted 07-12-2005 06:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Big Mountain: Exactly my point! Why reinforce this on the world stage? Why encourage this notion?The question you all must ask yourself... 1. Can this video help Jamaica's image? 2. Can this video help Jamaica's youth? 3. Can this video reduce crime? 4. Can this video helps Jamaica's economy? 5. Can this video helps Jamaica's tourism? To me, there is nothing positive about this video except it make D. Marley richer. Now what's he doing to help? Is he donating the proceeds of this video to help the cause?
Both you and Mike U are missing the point Biggs... Damien never did the tune for the world to commentate or to take responsibility of showing an image of Jamaica. Damien Marley created a tune from his experiences and views of a social system he has an affinity too. U are talking as if not for Damien Marley some people would not know about Jamaica... or are you and Mike U one of those guys that believed all the girlz in the USA looked like the girls in the vidoes.
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posted 07-12-2005 08:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Big Mountain: Trippy - "I shot the Sheriff" was not a Bob Marley orginal song. This was written and performed by Eric Clapton. Therefore, this would not have any negative effect on Jamaica.
Big Mountain, you disappoint me iyah. A which part a Jamaica yu frum? Caas, Jah know, you no stop put you foot inna you mouth star. Ask one of your International friends who wrote "I shot the Sherrif" ah hear wha dem say? Don't be surprise if dem know, YU HEAR!! [This message has been edited by Tripeous (edited 07-12-2005).]
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posted 07-12-2005 08:50 AM
BM you sound like a uptown youth trying to impress some of your uptown friends ..big man how must you be ashamed of the reality that is in jamaica ? stop being ashamed and do something about it..nuff ghetto youth need a mentor come off a your high horse and come down to one of these area you are ashamed of and be a big brother to one of these potential gun men...
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posted 07-12-2005 08:51 AM
Yuh have some likkle eediat bwoy missing the whole point ana chat bout uppity...Bwoy guh read a book!As a kid growing up, I was one of those guys (in the video) sitting on the wall in the ghetto. Had childhood friends who were shot and killed for no reason. Just because you lived on the other side of the line. I have been there and back! I don't have to show and tell everyone what I went through or how I lived. As I said before I would feel much more comfortable sharing my past with Jamaicans who understand the situation back home, than with strangers (foreigners) who have difficulty understanding the situation. All I am saying is that we don't have to air our dirty laundry for all to see. Especially, when they cannot help us but tu use these images to more look down at us. Linx - those movies does not help either. Where do you think people develop this stereotype about Jamaicans? It's what the media tells them. If you notice, the people who stereotype Jamaicans are the ones that have never been there. All I am saying is don't feed the lions. I can see a Jacka$$ like Bill O'Rielly using this video to chat crap about us. It's for the love of my country why I reject this! Nothing else.
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posted 07-12-2005 09:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by Tripeous: Big Mountain, you disappoint me iyah. A which part a Jamaica yu frum? Caas, Jah know, you no stop put you foot inna you mouth star.Ask one of your International friends who wrote "I shot the Sherrif" ah hear wha dem say? Don't be surprise if dem know, YU HEAR!! [This message has been edited by Tripeous (edited 07-12-2005).]
Sometimes you have to read before you post...I corrected myself right after. I could have gone one step further and delete it. I am not afraid to admit my error. I have never backed down from anything. A lot of you chat bad and proud behind your keyboard and in reality...Not one person have gotten the point so far! This NOT about me, this is about our COUNTRY!! As usual the men who have nothing to contribute are the ones getting personal.
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posted 07-12-2005 09:17 AM
I'm sorry but if you think that the general public/tourists are that naive then I wanna move in to your white picket fence neighborhood! This video is no different then "Joe Vacationer" reading in his tour manual to "stay with the group... do not stray onto back streets..." What image does that portray? The only way to change things is to bring them to light. When you hide the truth the solution is hidden with it.
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posted 07-12-2005 09:22 AM
BM, as someone involved in advertising and marketing I understand your concern regarding the power of images. Yes it can have lasting impact on the viewer. We must also remember that as a people, we cannot let others dictate to us what they want to see. If they do not like it, look the other way. This video is bringing much needed awareness to the social issues that burdens our wonderful island and that is also very important. Social commentary is a much needed element in any society and it is not always beautiful. Many such ghetto images from Jamaica have been shown around the world before and guess what, it has not stopped our popularity and the love people have for our country. Right now "Welcome to Jamrock" is needed so all of us can start discussing the problems of our society and not if we should hide the images from foreigners. Peace
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posted 07-12-2005 09:59 AM
HR, that's what I trying to figure out, by asking where are BM's international friends from? Don't sweat it, I don't put too much into Jeff Foxworthy or these hip-hoppers!  [This message has been edited by Princess (edited 07-12-2005).]
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