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Originally posted by truetrini:
Man you are a liar!

archibald was deadly with the headers..you cannot talk about cheating,,,Haiti got to Germany by robbing T&T

Please!

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19-Nov-1972: Antigua & Barbuda 1 - 2 Trinidad & Tobago (WCQ).
SCORERS: (Noel Llewellyn 10th, Steve David 30th).
SQUAD: Gerald Figeroux, Winston Phillips, Henry Dennie, Raymond Moraldo, Selwyn Murren, Desmond Headley, Noel Llewellyn, Leroy Spann, Steve David, Leo Brewster (Warren Archibald 46th), Clibert Lennard (Raymond Roberts 67th).

28-Nov-1972: Surinam 1 - 2 Trinidad & Tobago (WCQ).
SCORERS: Leo Brewster 63rd,, Raymond Roberts 68th.
SQUAD: Gerald Figeroux, Winston Phillips, Victor McGill, Leroy Spann, Desmond Headley (Sydney Augustine 74th), Selwyn Murren, Raymond Moraldo, Steve David, Leo Brewster, Noel Llewellyn, Clibert Lennard (Raymond Roberts 61st).

30-Nov-1972: Trinidad & Tobago 1 - 1 Surinam (WCQ).
SCORER: Steve David 75th.
SQUAD: Gerald Figeroux, Victor McGill, Winston Phillips, Selwyn Murren, Raymond Moraldo, Leroy Spann, Desmond Headley (Raymond Roberts 70th), Leo Brewster, Steve David, Clibert Lennard (Sydney Augustine 53rd), Noel Llewellyn.

29-Nov-1973: Honduras 2 - 1 Trinidad & Tobago (WCQ).
SCORER: Steve David 61st.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Russell Tesheira, Winston Phillips, Selwyn Murren, Lawrence Rondon, Everald Cummings, Leon Carpette, Dennis Morgan, Steve David, Warren Archibald, Raymond Roberts (Leo Brewster 77th).

1973: Haiti 2 - 1 Trinidad & Tobago - (WCQ), 4th, December.
SCORER: Steve David 15th.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Lawrence Rondon, Selris Figaro, Selwyn Murren, Winston Phillips, Dennis Morgan, Anthony Douglas, Everld Cummings, Steve David, Raymond Roberts (Wilfred Cave 83rd), Warren Archibald.

1973: Trinidad & Tobago 1 - 0 Guatemala (WCQ), 10th, December.
SCORER: Steve David 30th.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Lawrence Rondon, Selris Figaro, Selwyn Murren, Winston Phillips, Dennis Morgan, Everald Cummings, Anthony Douglas, Steve David, Raymond Roberts (Steve Khan 70th), Warren Archibald.

1973: Trinidad & Tobago 4 - 0 Mexico (WQC), 14th, December.
SCORERS: Everald Cummings 11th, 39th, Steve David 52nd, Warren Archibald 62nd.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Russell Tesheira (Raymond Moraldo 81st), Selwyn Murren, Selris Figaro, Lawrence Rondon, Everald Cummings, Dennis Morgan, Anthony Douglas, Steve David, Steve Kahn (Sydney Augustine 74th), Warren Archibald.

1973: Trinidad & Tobago 4 - 0 Netherland Antilles (WCQ), 17th, December.
SCORERS: Steve David 16th, Siegfried Brunken 33rd - OG, Steve David 51st, Steve David 62nd.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Russell Tesheira, Winston Phillips, Selwyn Murren (capt), Selris Figaro (Lawrence Rodon 46th), Anthony Douglas, Everald Cummings, Leo Brewster, Dennis Morgan, Steve David, Warren Archibald.

Face the truth the best team DID not go the World Cup because that tean was T&T.

Show me where Archibald scored so many goals with his hands that caused the Mexicans to lose their spot?

In fact he scored the last goal of 4 when we trounced Mexico!

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Originally posted by truetrini:
Trinidad's World Cup History versus Mexico..you don't know what you are talking about sir..we cut dem arse 4-0

The WCQ Results:
1. 14-DEC-73 - MEX 0 vs 4 TRI.
2. 23-JUL-00 - TRI 1 vs 0 MEX.
3. 08-OCT-00 - MEX 7 vs 0 TRI.
4. 25-APR-01 - TRI 1 vs 1 MEX.
5. 05-SEPT-01 - MEX 3 vs 0 TRI.
6. 08-SEPT-04 -TRI 1 vs 3 MEX.
7. 13-OCT-04 - MEX 3 vs 0 TRI.
8. 08-JUN-05 - MEX vs TRI.
9. 12-OCT-05 - TRI vs MEX.

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By the way, do you really think Barbados can beat either Jamaica, Cuba, or Trinidad? To qualify they will need to beat at least one of the three or tie two of them.

Well you already confirmed that Barbados only team to beat 'all conquering' 1974 World Cup bound Haiti. Barbados whip Trinis and Jamaica before ( last year in case of JA). Cuba fell to Bajans too. Add a classy thumping of Costa Rica for good measure. Bajans had Canada chasing shadows last year before losing
1-0. Only CONCACAF top teams Bdos aint beat are US and Mex. I respect your footie knowledge so tell me has Trini,JA,Haiti,Cuba ever beaten Costa Rica, the ever dangerous Ticos??

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Originally posted by truetrini:
10-Nov-1972: Trinidad & Tobago 11 - 1 Antigua & Barbuda (WCQ).
SCORERS: (Steve David 42nd, 70th, 79th, Noel Llewellyn 19th, 38th, 44th, Raymond Roberts 83rd, 89th, Leroy Spann 49th, 68th, Leo Brewster 59th).
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Russell Tesheira, Winston Phillips, Selwyn Murren, Raymond Moraldo (Henry Dennie 66th), Sydney Augustine, Leroy Spann, Clibert Lennard, Noel Llewellyn (Raymond Roberts 74th), Steve David, Leo Brewster.

19-Nov-1972: Antigua & Barbuda 1 - 2 Trinidad & Tobago (WCQ).
SCORERS: (Noel Llewellyn 10th, Steve David 30th).
SQUAD: Gerald Figeroux, Winston Phillips, Henry Dennie, Raymond Moraldo, Selwyn Murren, Desmond Headley, Noel Llewellyn, Leroy Spann, Steve David, Leo Brewster (Warren Archibald 46th), Clibert Lennard (Raymond Roberts 67th).

28-Nov-1972: Surinam 1 - 2 Trinidad & Tobago (WCQ).
SCORERS: Leo Brewster 63rd,, Raymond Roberts 68th.
SQUAD: Gerald Figeroux, Winston Phillips, Victor McGill, Leroy Spann, Desmond Headley (Sydney Augustine 74th), Selwyn Murren, Raymond Moraldo, Steve David, Leo Brewster, Noel Llewellyn, Clibert Lennard (Raymond Roberts 61st).

30-Nov-1972: Trinidad & Tobago 1 - 1 Surinam (WCQ).
SCORER: Steve David 75th.
SQUAD: Gerald Figeroux, Victor McGill, Winston Phillips, Selwyn Murren, Raymond Moraldo, Leroy Spann, Desmond Headley (Raymond Roberts 70th), Leo Brewster, Steve David, Clibert Lennard (Sydney Augustine 53rd), Noel Llewellyn.

29-Nov-1973: Honduras 2 - 1 Trinidad & Tobago (WCQ).
SCORER: Steve David 61st.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Russell Tesheira, Winston Phillips, Selwyn Murren, Lawrence Rondon, Everald Cummings, Leon Carpette, Dennis Morgan, Steve David, Warren Archibald, Raymond Roberts (Leo Brewster 77th).

1973: Haiti 2 - 1 Trinidad & Tobago - (WCQ), 4th, December.
SCORER: Steve David 15th.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Lawrence Rondon, Selris Figaro, Selwyn Murren, Winston Phillips, Dennis Morgan, Anthony Douglas, Everld Cummings, Steve David, Raymond Roberts (Wilfred Cave 83rd), Warren Archibald.

1973: Trinidad & Tobago 1 - 0 Guatemala (WCQ), 10th, December.
SCORER: Steve David 30th.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Lawrence Rondon, Selris Figaro, Selwyn Murren, Winston Phillips, Dennis Morgan, Everald Cummings, Anthony Douglas, Steve David, Raymond Roberts (Steve Khan 70th), Warren Archibald.

1973: Trinidad & Tobago 4 - 0 Mexico (WQC), 14th, December.
[b]SCORERS: Everald Cummings 11th, 39th, Steve David 52nd, Warren Archibald 62nd.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Russell Tesheira (Raymond Moraldo 81st), Selwyn Murren, Selris Figaro, Lawrence Rondon, Everald Cummings, Dennis Morgan, Anthony Douglas, Steve David, Steve Kahn (Sydney Augustine 74th), Warren Archibald.

1973: Trinidad & Tobago 4 - 0 Netherland Antilles (WCQ), 17th, December.
SCORERS: Steve David 16th, Siegfried Brunken 33rd - OG, Steve David 51st, Steve David 62nd.
SQUAD: Kelvin Barclay, Russell Tesheira, Winston Phillips, Selwyn Murren (capt), Selris Figaro (Lawrence Rodon 46th), Anthony Douglas, Everald Cummings, Leo Brewster, Dennis Morgan, Steve David, Warren Archibald.

Face the truth the best team DID not go the World Cup because that tean was T&T.

Show me where Archibald scored so many goals with his hands that caused the Mexicans to lose their spot?

In fact he scored the last goal of 4 when we trounced Mexico!

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Trini, have you noticed that haiti played trinidad on 04-12 and that trinidad played mexico on 14-12? Trinidad was already out of contention for the lone spot. Mexico was the favorite to win it unless they lost to trinidad. Duvalier made sure that happened. Watch the tape again.

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Originally posted by bajafrica:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by haitiball:
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By the way, do you really think Barbados can beat either Jamaica, Cuba, or Trinidad? To qualify they will need to beat at least one of the three or tie two of them.

Well you already confirmed that Barbados only team to beat 'all conquering' 1974 World Cup bound Haiti. Barbados whip Trinis and Jamaica before ( last year in case of JA). Cuba fell to Bajans too. Add a classy thumping of Costa Rica for good measure. Bajans had Canada chasing shadows last year before losing
1-0. Only CONCACAF top teams Bdos aint beat are US and Mex. I respect your footie knowledge so tell me has Trini,JA,Haiti,Cuba ever beaten Costa Rica, the ever dangerous Ticos??

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baja, when did barbados beat costa-rica? I may have missed that one. I guess barbados really deserves to be called a giants'killer.
congrats!
Haiti has a positive stat against USA, a team you can't beat.
What about the stat between haiti and barbados? If you have it, would you post it?

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Originally posted by haitiball:
I like latapy too. But my favorite trini player of all time is Archibald because he gave Trinidad the glory that we haitians never had : humiliating Mexico.

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Vorbe was one of my favorite players from the Caribbean region.

Haitiball I would dearly love to get a copy of those games in 1973/74. Is there any way I can get those game. Mexico vs T&T, Haiti vs T&T

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Originally posted by truetrini:
Trinidad has twice beaten Costa Rica! We have beaten Mexico, Jamaica, Barbados, Haiti, Jamaica, Grenada, Cuba, St Kitts St Vincent, you name it we have won!

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"..you name it we have won it." Not true.You have not beaten USA. And you must if you plan to to be in Rhineland '06.

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Originally posted by bajafrica:
"..you name it we have won it." Not true.You have not beaten USA. And you must if you plan to to be in Rhineland '06.

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Originally posted by truetrini:
we beat that Iraqi team that shone so brightly in thr Olympics and we drew 1-1 with Korea..WC semi-finalists!

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Originally posted by haitiball:
I have just found this out. Thanks.

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However, you still need to play some more friendlies against teams like venezuela. For the matches against panama, I think Haiti or cuba would be a good test. You will have a chance to play one of them in the digicel final round in barbados though.

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Originally posted by bajafrica:
haitiball...hmmmm you disappoint. Bdos beat Costa Rica in 2001 semis for 2002 World Cup. Ticos star striker Wanchope forced to hire bodyguards for protection when he returned home. The CR fans were violently angry at that defeat. I am sure Palos can confirm that famous Bdos victory.

No stats on Bdos/Haiti encounters. Dont think they have met often but that thumping we gave you in 1974 will live on.

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Baje...how you stammerin so....only repeatin yuhself??..

Lissen...no disrespeck, but when it come to football Barbados is pretty much a non entity. Again..no disrespect but just keepin it real.

Yes..barbados were able to defeat Costa Rica in barbados...a most noteworthy feat and one which you should be rightly proud of.

Of course the 7 that you received in the return leg didn't really help to dispel the perception of barbados and football as stated above.

The fact is barbados has never been to the final round of any world cup qualification despite participating numerous times. Football to date is not really a sport that Barbadians naturally take to like they do cricket where they excel.

Kudos to barbados for trying to get better in football. It can only be a good thing for you. The fact that the Bajan Football Federation still have people in Houston trying to find out why the Rockets didn't fire against St. Kitts is testament to your
desire to become competitive in the sport.

Hopefully Barbados & Barbadians can stop TALKING football and concentrate on being consistently successful ON THE FIELD. You are the only country whose citizenry regard a 2-1 win as having "thumped the opposition".

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Originally posted by bajafrica:
Palos..keep it real and factual will ya. Ticos did not beat Bdos by 7 in return leg. Real score 3-nil.
Thanks.

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Oops....my bad Bajafrica. I got confused. The 7-0 was the score you received against USA in the same qualifying period.

Sorry again.

As for T&T getting complacent...I don't know where you get that from. You make a very good point about T&T celebrating in adavnce of the WC qualifier against USA in 1989. To some extent, we are still suffering from that failure. But that was then...this is now. Given T&T's performances in the recent past, we don't get complacent against anybody.

We still EXPECT to beat the likes of St. Kitts, St. Vincent, and Barbados. But we don't underestimate them or overestimate ourselves. We KNOW that the standard of football has improved in the region overall...especially in Cuba, St. Kitts, St. Vincent, Grenada and St. Lucia.

You on the other hand point finger at T&T yet fail to look at your own backyard when you failed miserably against that mighty soccer power St. Kitts. I guess your Rockets weren't complacent then? I mean...you hired German Technical Director...brought players from England to play for you and, to borrow a term from you, got "THUMPED" 3-1 in your home.

It can be justifiably argued that the ONLY reason Barbados is in the final of the Digicel Cup is because Barbados is hosting the competition. Just like it can be reasonably argued that the only reason T&T played in the FIFA Under 17 WC in 2001 was because we hosted it.

As I say....respect to your Federation. They are trying to make strides in getting better at football. That can only be good for you in the long term. I'll also put it to you that T&T in cricket is much further ahead than Barbados is in football. At least T&T has won regional trophies in cricket, at all levels of the game...from junior to senior.

Good luck in hosting the Digicel Cup. No matter the results I'm hoping for a competitive and entertaining competition.

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Originally posted by bajafrica:
Palos..keep it real and factual will ya. Ticos did not beat Bdos by 7 in return leg. Real score 3-nil.
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'3-nil' sounds like nothing. After all, it's just 3 little goals to nothing! Hahahaha!

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Originally posted by haitiball:
Baja, how do you compare barbados with st-lucia, french guyana, and martinique? Please do not assume that I am trying to put barbados down or anything like that. I simply want to figure out how you view your own national team.

I watched two or three barbados matches, I honestly don't see how they are better than teams like st-vincent and St-kitts although I think they are among the best teams of the lesser caribbean islands.

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haitiball you sound a decent chap. Bdos ranked 119. In CFU thats sixth after JA,TT,Cuba,Haiti(98),St.Kitts. In a double barrel upset St. Kitts beat Bdos twice in WCQ to be in front of Bdos for first time ever. Those defeats by SKN shocked and rankled. Bdos had beaten basically same St. Kitts outfit 5-1 in warm up earlier. One of them things that make you go HMMMMMM. Bdos without much bother normally gets better of ST.Lucia, St.Vincent, Grenada etc. Martinique differnt kettle of fish. Bdos has won and lost against them as has JA,Tri etc. They are Trinis bogey team. Always beating and running Tri to the bone.
Bdos football suffers from overpowering presence of cricket. Barbados is a world class cricket island producing some of the greatest ever so Bajans understandably big up that more than footie. You should go check out Digi Finals. Expect it to be hot. Lots of scores to settle.

Palos..question how many goals Tri concede against Mex in last 6 encounters??

Baja, any victory of barbados over tri will be considered a huge upset. The same goes for Martinique. That's just the way it is in present time. Tri and Barbados are simply not in the same league.

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Originally posted by bajafrica:
Palos..question how many goals Tri concede against Mex in last 6 encounters??

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At least we play and have beaten Mexico on more than one occasion. The closest thing Barbados come to Mexico is if Chefettes servin tacos on a Tuesday...

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Originally posted by bajafrica:
I like that one Palos. Brings to mind closest Tri came to getting better of USA is Mighty Sparrow in that Jean and Dinah ditty pleading to those ladies of the night"...Yankees gone and Sparrow take ovah now...!"
Happy returns Ash Wednesday.

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Weak and lame retort Baj....but ah come to expeck dat from yuh. Daz wha does happen when yuh come to fight a battle of wits and yuh have no ammunition...

By the way....it's a myth T&T has never beaten USA. We have...just not in WCQ. Same applies to Jamaica...never beaten them in WCQ either.

There's a first time for everything. Hopefully that will apply to Bajan football (does anyone else find that is a serious example of an oxymoron??) one day...

By the way...thanks for the best wishes on Ash Wednesday. We will need them.

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Reggae Boyz through to next round
Football - Digicel Caribbean Cup
BY SEAN A WILLIAMS Observer staff reporter
Sunday, January 16, 2005

Cayenne, French Guiana - On a soggy Cayenne Football Stadium pitch caused by three days of heavy rains here, the Reggae Boyz were able to preserve their five-goal cushion against French Guiana when both teams played to a generally unattractive 0-0 draw, in their third-round return leg of the Digicel Caribbean Cup.

The Boyz wrapped up the tie in the home leg in Kingston a week ago with an emphatic 5-0 win and will now advance to the final playoffs set for Barbados next month. In the four-team tournament Jamaica will face hosts Barbados, Cuba or Martinique and Trinidad and Tobago or St Vincent.
The three top teams from the Barbados championship will gain automatic qualification to the CONCACAF Gold Cup, set for later this year.

Although yesterday's match, which was played before about 500 spectators, was not an exciting affair due to the soggy pitch, Jamaica's head coach Wendell Downswell believed the experience was great for the young players in the group.

"Despite the conditions I believe it was a tremendous experience especially for the young players ... overall the experience was good," he said.
Downswell said the focus will now shift to getting the team in tip-top shape for the final round of the tournament which will certainly provide tougher opposition than the Boyz have met so far in the campaign.

"Now we have to look to intensify preparation for the Barbados leg of
the competition and we would want to get at least two international games before we go there. There is a strong possibility that we may play Trinidad about the second of next month and there is also a FIFA date on the ninth and we are also looking at that," Downswell said.

French Guiana's team manager Alain Migdt had high praise for his team's positive play against the Jamaicans but rued their continued poor form in front of goal. French Guiana appeared more enterprising for the most part.

In the sixth minute they set up their first real scoring opportunity when Daniel Pulval dispossessed Andy Williams in a dangerous position, but luckily for Jamaica, the midfielder's final shot was a poor one.

Just before that, though, midfielder Khari Stephenson, who was arguably Jamaica's best player on the night, tested Jair Karam with a powerfully driven 25-yard free kick, which was too hot for the goalie to handle, but an onrushing Damani Ralph could not guide the spilled ball home.
In the 35th, French Guiana threatened again with an auspicious build-up

involving David Martinon and the slippery Hans Cosset, but the latter could not keep his 18-yard effort on target.

Playing a mature and composed game especially in defence, Jamaica were in no hurry really to go forward and score but concentrated more on keeping possession and looking for openings. Opportunities presented themselves on numerous occasions, but the Boyz were just out for an evening stroll and did not overextend themselves.

Jamaica - Shawn Sawyers, Damion Stewart, Jermaine Taylor, Tyrone Sawyers, Fabian Davis, Robert Scarlett (Garfield Reid 66th), Khari Stephenson, Andy Williams, Jermaine Hue (Keith Kelly 75th), Luton Shelton (Teofore Bennett 62nd) and Damani Ralph.

Booked: Stewart (31st) and Taylor (86th)
Subs not used: L Murray, M Harrison, D Breakenridge,

French Guiana - Jair, Karam, Karl Boecasse (Jean Naiama 78th), Aime Golitin, St Ange Golitin, Laurent Ringuet, David Martinon (Sylvester Laguerre 72nd) , Albert Ajaisso, Freddy Fraumar, Humphery Simiesong, Hans Cosset and Daniel Pulval (Oliver Golitin 53rd).

Subs not used: J Koniki, J Metella
Referee: Francis Flavius (St Lucia)
Assistants: Jean-Francis Alain and Alexandre Paliuc (French Guiana)
Fourth Official: Letand Frederich (French Guiana)

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