How are you going to retain the players that get offers from foreign leagues…bump them up to $25K? So are you going to request the UB40s to sign with local clubs too or just ban them from the squad?

Consider this; suppose TODAY you had your idealized ProBusinessHouseOfJesty league with all the “yardballas” from FL,DC and NY flocking it because the $25K more lucrative than the ‘trade(economics). At the same time we have the same senior squad we have right now. What happens? You replace the senior team with the local team? Ok, assume you did. At the next gold cup the new “localOnly” team “tear it up” and the scouts realized that “one lef”, better than Fuller, “2 lef” better than King, “no right” better than Bibi etc. and offer them contracts that make the $25K look like joke. What do you do then? Do you make them say the “I will maintain my conditioning” oath before they leave, or do you drop them as they leave?

Simply put your new league players are either going to be as good as or better than the players we have now and will be exported, or not exported because they are not as good as the crop we have now. So at best you will have the same situation we have now… all our players playing in foreign leagues and the coach needing a way to have some control over their development/conditioning.

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Originally posted by ddread:
I think I am starting to see the big picture but it looks kind of funny.

How are you going to retain the players that get offers from foreign leagues…bump them up to $25K? So are you going to request the UB40s to sign with local clubs too or just ban them from the squad?

Consider this; suppose TODAY you had your idealized ProBusinessHouseOfJesty league with all the “yardballas” from FL,DC and NY flocking it because the $25K more lucrative than the ‘trade(economics). At the same time we have the same senior squad we have right now. What happens? You replace the senior team with the local team? Ok, assume you did. At the next gold cup the new “localOnly” team “tear it up” and the scouts realized that “one lef”, better than Fuller, “2 lef” better than King, “no right” better than Bibi etc. and offer them contracts that make the $25K look like joke. What do you do then? Do you make them say the “I will maintain my conditioning” oath before they leave, or do you drop them as they leave?

Simply put your new league players are either going to be as good as or better than the players we have now and will be exported, or not exported because they are not as good as the crop we have now. So at best you will have the same situation we have now… all our players playing in foreign leagues and the coach needing a way to have some control over their development/conditioning.

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You are right, you are finally beginning to see the big picture . BTW! Pardon my sharp tongue earlier this week. I was still suffering from post-qualifiers syndrome.

You have described what I hope will result from all this. The best of the best will still get recruited abroad but hopefully (as well-recognized professionals) they will be drafted straight into the big leagues worldwide without the need for trials. Foreign clubs have a hard time not going the trials route for untested professionals. However, that will mean freeing up roster spots for another bunch of locals who were knocking on the door from Div. 2's semi-pro clubs (which will naturally develop). This means we will have a broader pool of ready professionals to select from for any particular game. What the league will do is remove the automatic weighting of being a foreign pro from the selection criteria. If Hue or KK is mashing up the yard pro league, then that would be a sound ground for selection. Currently, the leading local goalscorers (Pele Wilson, Beech, Roland Dean, Roen Nelson) are deemed worthy because it is understood that those exploits are being effected in an amateur setting where slightly above average skills can result in excellent results.

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Originally posted by Fully:
I don't think anything anyone said would have swayed the Coach and/or TD view point.
I remember hearing Craig Zaidie telling the sport commentator on Irie FM before the Jamaica/EL Salvador game in Kingston, that he and (maybe a couple of other players on the squad) begging and pleading with the Coach and TD to insert BIBI as a left midfield/winger and Reid as the left back. This was get BIBI more involved in the game as an offensive player without having to worry about his defensive responsibilities and also to balance the left hand side of the team which was lacking natural left footed players. Zaidie stated that he doubted the Coach/TD would ascede to this request has they had already had their pre-conceived image of what the team composition should be.
This I think was one of the failure of this Mgmt Team setup as they were unwilling to adapt and accept new strategies on a a game per game basis based on players merits and opposition setup. It's just mind bogling when the RB players themselves had serious doubt about the technical expertise and knowledge of their own Mgmt Team. That to me is one of the contributing factor to the demise of the Road to Germany.

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This is the second time I have read this... How come none of you guys have commented on this.

I was really vex myself after flying all the way from the UK to watch that farce..

This info from your post fully could possibly explain why the boys were not performing, but the coach still fraudish...

I linked up with Princess and Twain, and got a lift to the stadium with dweetsweet who look like Chez breda or cousin.. When dweetsweet said the team looked good, I asked who is playing.. He called out the defenders.. Mi kiss mi teet..

My immediate response was why is bibi in defense... Then i asked who is in front of bibi.. and dweetsweet said Lawrence.. My response was WHO??.. Mi did shocked when he said Jamie Lawrence.. I was about to cuss but the 10 hour journey from New York mek mi just kiss mi teet.. Mi look pon mi brethren and princess and say things look bad.. Then I asked who else is playing...

Cant lie.. Had no problems with Tappa.. Already knew lazafoni was using Williams coz he saved the day in Panama. In fact the only selection I took issue with was the Reid, Gardener and Lawrence connection..

And if we are talking about the first 20mins for Tappa, then the game was already lost as Lawrence has never been a wide man, cant flank ithings fi save him life and basically was always drifting infield for the 20 mins he was outside left midfielder.

Then I began to critisize that GK ricketts.. Every ball he got except one he booted upfield and the boys were always second to retrieving or retaining the ball.. Thus increasing the pressure.. But maybe the gK never trusted the defence either.. Then Ralph the most forward striker never pressure any of the USA defenders. What a clown. Then never made himself available when we had the ball. Williams did nought, Tappa was just a big fat pile of and both Gardener and Pepe never made their presence felt. Not one man even took a shot from outside the 18.. All of them wanted to dribble to the goal line. None of the fools were communicating or that thru ball to Hue which King or was it Ralph interupted would have been sure goal. Hue was unfit. Zaidie had loads of space and not a clue of what to do with it... There was no leader. What a farce, but even worse was that Russian, Chisel, Cryuff, jahjesty and others were there and mi fly all that way and never even get a yow from them... But unuh nuh have nuh manners???? I even met Portia from the other side also..

If only that fool Lazafoni made the King and Euell change at half time..And a lot of what has been said b4 was the debate between Robyna, Reds and their crew ,me and my brethren. But my lasting memories of this campaign would be looking up at Lazafoni on the big screen after the game and watching a disgusted Euell standing in the middle of the field as the rest of the boys walk off the field looking contented with their nights work.

With Jamaica out of the way.. Its Costa Rica, TT, Mexico, Guatamala, USA and Panama.. Who will get the first four spots... Congrats to Panama and Guatamala or whoever it was that knocked out Honduras...

People already talking about Road to SA..2010 but we need to focus on the footpath cross the concacaf first... Trust mi...

2) He does not seem to have the ability to strategize and think on his feet.

3) He doesn't seem to be a good motivator.

4) If he has good football knowledge, I am yet to see it in any consistent way.

5) A wha?

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Originally posted by Jahjesty:

You are misreading my Lowe/Tappa examples to suggest that the foreign legions generally are not fit enough for national duty. Tappa, Andy and Pepe (the trickless old dogs) are not. Bibi, Fuller, Ralph, Marshall, Lawrence and a few others have the necessary level of fitness but were defeated by the team selection that did not utilize this well.

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So let me get this straight you are proposing a local "professional league" to address the issue of Tappa, Andy and Pepe, who all playing foreign leagues not being fit? I think that you pointing out that Tappa, Pepe and Andy not being fit only underscores the point that a professional league does not guarantee fitness, these players all play in professional leagues.

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cruyffy,

Please forgive my tardiness in responding to your usually meaningful contributions, been a bit busy of late. Anyway, I must tell you that the affinity to place a particular characterization on things Jamaican has never sat well with me. I come from a part of Jamaica that always reach for the best. That is, we don't see a reason for Jamaica to accept second or third best for any reason whatever. You and your brethrens keep pointing to CB's success and I maintain based on my close proximity to the ball that his achievements were not stellar and he was pretty much at peak getting ready to suffer diminishing returns. His head space for this level of ball was exhausted and you know I am speaking not from something reported BUT from what I have observed live and direct. It was for this reason that I supported our finding someone who could lead a Reaggaeboyz not to just qualify for Germany but to seriously challenge. Someone who had good tactical knowledge and was like a good chess master with good analytical skills. The choice of Lazaroni never caused me to jump for joy but I had hoped that based on his experience and knowledge he could have done the job. I really thought he was miles ahead of CB. Regrettably, we have come to discover that he really is very ordinary and not very much unlike CB. In fact he played with CB's engine and for the most part game plan. Was I stupid or dunce for desiring better CB? I don't think so, I think we were let down by a poor unresearched choice from JFF. Yes it does happen that some people get their qualifications by 'devious means' and thereby the qualification in itself is not so significant a la Lazaroni. However, those of us in the business of recruiting people have that knowledge and this is why we not only look on the paper work but extensive reference checks are done to ensure that the person does have the ability to execute. I see your reasoning but find too often people think they can get ahead with a link up here or a link up there without taking the necessary steps to put in the 'big rocks' and make themselves qualified and competitive. You can get by for a long time at the bottom to intermediary stages but when you get to the top you have to be totally ready and that is all my argument is about.

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The choice of Lazaroni never caused me to jump for joy but I had hoped that based on his experience and knowledge he could have done the job. I really thought he was miles ahead of CB. Regrettably, we have come to discover that he really is very ordinary and not very much unlike CB.

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SA basically you're saying that you wanted the best possible person for the job(sounds good so far). Where you and I disagree completely is you, like many others on the site, believed it was a good idea to bring Lazaroni in at Brown's expense- as you say you thought that he was miles ahead of Brown. I thought at the time, and just as strongly now, that that was a faulty analysis. His unwillingness(in his first stint) to work within the limitations that we have as a nation devoid of any significant football infrastructure, should have suggested that perhaps he was not the right individual for the job. That's why I accuse you all of putting too large an emphasis on qualifications. What good are all those credentials if they are not necessarily fully adaptable to the situation you are taking on?

If you really feel that Brown was doing a poor job as you have stated, I think you have a distorted view of the state of Jamaican football despite your closeness to it . I would like to think I'm fairly informed on the subject as well , and I think he did an admirable job with the Senior Team. I think many of us were living in a dream world if we thought that just changing the national coach was going to make us the best team in Concacaf. There is a difference between Lazaroni and Brown. That is, I don't remember the team under Brown having too many problems in competition matches against teams the quality of Panama and El Salvador. Lazaroni was a failure here the first time he came and inexplicably IMHO many here welcomed the JFF affording him an opportunity to predictably fail again at the expense of a coach that was getting results that were disproportionate to our standing as a football nation, all because of our (false) perceptions of his superior 'knowledge,' based I suppose on his 'credentials' and 'resume.'

I guess we will have to agree to disagree with each others perspective of CB. I honestly think I am seeing 20/20 on this issue but you believe there is distortion in my views. It maybe a good thing to see him in another 'International Capacity' maybe then we will be able to assess how really good he is ... think yu can find him anything?

Seriously, I notice you have not commented on the fact that the side as played, engine and all was CB's design. I maintain that the engine was a significant part of demise.
What do you think.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jahjesty:
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You are misreading my Lowe/Tappa examples to suggest that the foreign legions generally are not fit enough for national duty. Tappa, Andy and Pepe (the trickless old dogs) are not. Bibi, Fuller, Ralph, Marshall, Lawrence and a few others have the necessary level of fitness but were defeated by the team selection that did not utilize this well.

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So let me get this straight you are proposing a local "professional league" to address the issue of Tappa, Andy and Pepe, who all playing foreign leagues not being fit? I think that you pointing out that Tappa, Pepe and Andy not being fit only underscores the point that a professional league does not guarantee fitness, these players all play in professional leagues.

Bredrin, it is clear as day, if we are to have a decent reggaeboyz team the coach will have to exert his influence on the players even when they are at their clubs or it is business as usual.[/B][/QUOTE]

I don’t feel that the world cup is an allstar competition of the pro leagues of the world. It is a competition of the teams that the countries put forward to represent them. Most countries that have effective pro leagues just pick their top 20 league players for games and achieve great success. If you don’t have a quality league I think you can produce an effective team if you figure out how to solve, at least, the problems of:

How to get players properly conditioned for games.
How to create team cohesion from players that are scattered across clubs, leagues and countries.
How to develop talented players that are not with professional outfits.
How to maintain the health of national players that are without insurance.
How to continually renew the player pool.

A pro league could go a long way towards solving these problem but they can be solved absent a pro league. Furthermore having a pro league does not guarantee that these issues are resolved. That is all I am saying.

As for Tappa, Pepe and Andy not playing in EPL or not being professional or that a local pro league would change that sounds like smokescreen/nonsense. A professional player is one that has the skill the dicipline and is coachable. Tappa has over 130 international caps, if him not dicipline or coachable now chances are... Andy has been playing MLS since 19howLong? Maybe MLS is not good enough for our players but it seem to work quite well for our neighbours to the north. Pepe... If we have undiciplined players it is simpler to just say it.

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Originally posted by Senior Analyst:
Cruyff,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree with each others perspective of CB. I honestly think I am seeing 20/20 on this issue but you believe there is distortion in my views. It maybe a good thing to see him in another 'International Capacity' maybe then we will be able to assess how really good he is ... think yu can find him anything?

Seriously, I notice you have not commented on the fact that the side as played, engine and all was CB's design. I maintain that the engine was a significant part of demise.
What do you think.

Regards

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I'm not sure if you're commenting specifically on the selection for the last US game or all the games in the group under Lazaroni. If you're referring to the latter, of course it was by and large the same group of players at their disposal. Brown lead that group of players to a comfortable three-goal victory over Haiti, and Lazaroni lead them to a 0-0 draw at home against El Salvador and a 2-1 loss to Panama at home-two teams not as strong IMHO as that Haiti team. So IMHO they are not that similar(as you said). One was by and large successful in competition matches against the middle and lower tier Concacaf teams, and one was again a failure, like in his first stint. This despite your 'premise' that you thought that Lazaroni was miles ahead of Brown.

Perhaps the decision-makers would have been better advised not to have placed such a high emphasis on Lazaron's 'resume' and this perceived 'superior knowledge' that many on the site seemed convinced he has(which has yet to be illustrated in the matches he has lead the Senior Team IMHO-the selection for the US game being but one example) , and considered what would have given us the best chance to qualify which IMHO was obvious at the time and just as obvious today.

Trophy Ramon de Carranza (Cadiz): 1987

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Yuh know what Jj, respect - an done it; because we are really talking about 2 different things. It may somehow be coming across that I am arguing against a professional league and I am not. We clearly could use a pro league and the I came up with a reasonable proposal – bigup and nuff props. I just had some reservation as to it's feasibility and plus I disagreed when the I and others asserted that it was the ONLY HOPE we had to make it to the WC. But a pro league is a good thing –no argument.

I don’t feel that the world cup is not an allstar competition of the pro leagues of the world. It is a competition of the teams that the countries put forward to represent them. Most countries that have effective pro leagues just pick their top 20 league players for games and achieve great success. If you don’t have a quality league I think you can produce an effective team if you figure out how to solve, at least, the problems of:

How to get players properly conditioned for games.
How to create team cohesion from players that are scattered across clubs, leagues and countries.
How to develop talented players that are not with professional outfits.
How to maintain the health of national players that are without insurance.
How to continually renew the player pool.

A pro league could go a long way towards solving these problem but they can be solved absent a pro league. Furthermore having a pro league does not guarantee that these issues are resolved. That is all I am saying.

As for Tappa, Pepe and Andy not playing in EPL or not being professional or that a local pro league would change that sounds like smokescreen/nonsense. A professional player is one that has the skill the dicipline and is coachable. Tappa has over 130 international caps, if him not dicipline or coachable now chances are... Andy has been playing MLS since 19howLong? Maybe MLS is not good enough for our players but it seem to work quite well for our neighbours to the north. Pepe... If we have undiciplined players it is simpler to just say it.

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DDread: There is a major problem with your position that we have not even addressed. Although I keep focusing on the need for professional-level fitness and pace, there is a greater reason to have a pro league if a country plans to be successful long term. Do you think it is fair to ask Jermaine Hue to put in the level of training and commitment to go and play against players who are getting paid well for what they do. Why are we expecting our athletes to do this noble amateur thing and then chastise them when they fail. These players need to be compensated and provided for appropriately if we are going to ask them to battle the Ronaldos of this world -- and worse -- expect them to win. Would you go back to Jamaica right now and work in whatever your field is for free for the betterment of the country. If not, why should we be expecting, Fabian, Hue, KK, Stewart, Reid and all of the other locals to do so?

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Consider this! the cost of a $50k per year stipend for 20 players is just $1M. If you allot a stipend to each of the top 20 players based on need where you guarantee that no one earns less than $50K but guarantee that each player gets at least, say, $20k that Mil goes much further than 20 players, since many players have pro contracts and will not get the full $50k. If you also apportion a $20K stipend to the next 20 players in the pool you are only looking at $1.4M. Round it up to $1.5M by giving the next 10 rucks 10K a piece and mek dem eat a food too and there you have it. With just $2M you have more than a 50 player pool, paid, with up to $500k set aside for couple decent coaches and wataboyZ.

The monies that are being thrown around per game could easily afford to set aside $2Mil for the TEAM per year. The gate receipt from 1 game @ $30 ticket price when “staddi” cork(35k) is over $1 Mil. A 1 game a month average along with gold cup and wcq are enough to run a serious programme. Then there is monies from the merchandising, the TV rights, audio/video streaming, games on dvd - haven’t even mentioned a sponsor yet. Naaaa beg a sponsor guy a thing (just in case him might want to select the next coach), but with the program running so smoothly sponsors will be lining up to have their product identified with the Boyz.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jahjesty:
[b] DDread: There is a major problem with your position that we have not even addressed. Although I keep focusing on the need for professional-level fitness and pace, there is a greater reason to have a pro league if a country plans to be successful long term. Do you think it is fair to ask Jermaine Hue to put in the level of training and commitment to go and play against players who are getting paid well for what they do. Why are we expecting our athletes to do this noble amateur thing and then chastise them when they fail. These players need to be compensated and provided for appropriately if we are going to ask them to battle the Ronaldos of this world -- and worse -- expect them to win. Would you go back to Jamaica right now and work in whatever your field is for free for the betterment of the country. If not, why should we be expecting, Fabian, Hue, KK, Stewart, Reid and all of the other locals to do so?

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Consider this! the cost of a $50k per year stipend for 20 players is just $1M. If you allot a stipend to each of the top 20 players based on need where you guarantee that no one earns less than $50K but guarantee that each player gets at least, say, $20k that Mil goes much further than 20 players, since many players have pro contracts and will not get the full $50k. If you also apportion a $20K stipend to the next 20 players in the pool you are only looking at $1.4M. Round it up to $1.5M by giving the next 10 rucks 10K a piece and mek dem eat a food too and there you have it. With just $2M you have more than a 50 player pool, paid, with up to $500k set aside for couple decent coaches and wataboyZ.

The monies that are being thrown around per game could easily afford to set aside $2Mil for the TEAM per year. The gate receipt from 1 game @ $30 ticket price when “staddi” cork(35k) is over $1 Mil. A 1 game a month average along with gold cup and wcq are enough to run a serious programme. Then there is monies from the merchandising, the TV rights, audio/video streaming, games on dvd - haven’t even mentioned a sponsor yet. Naaaa beg a sponsor guy a thing (just in case him might want to select the next coach), but with the program running so smoothly sponsors will be lining up to have their product identified with the Boyz.

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Yet again we come back to this myopic focus on the national team as the source of a world-class program. How does the 20 get chosen and how long is their tenure? You seem to suggest that the national team should be run like a year-round club. The national team should continue to be a gathering place for the cream of the crop for competition purposes. The national team should be benefitting from the year-round progress of ALL the local players so that the team can be chosen based on current form. Obviously, the national reps should get some monetary rewards for their efforts at that level but it should not be their base salary and benefits source.

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Yet again we come back to this myopic focus on the national team as the source of a world-class program.

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How does the 20 get chosen and how long is their tenure?

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You seem to suggest that the national team should be run like a year-round club.

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The national team should continue to be a gathering place for the cream of the crop for competition purposes. The national team should be benefitting from the year-round progress of ALL the local players so that the team can be chosen based on current form.

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Obviously, the national reps should get some monetary rewards for their efforts at that level but it should not be their base salary and benefits source.

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If we waited for your pro league to happen nothing will happen for years.. coz even if it was created next week, it will still take a few years to kick in smoothly.

I disagree that a Tappa,pepe or Andy would of walked into a big team if they were involved in a proleague set up earlier in their careers. Bibi and Fuller was in the same boat.

I am waiting to see how TnT does in the WCQ, coz they have a proleague, I've been told.

And when you do have a proleague, the clubs also import players. Is it not Jamaicans who are doing well in TnT.. In England, Italy, Spain, etc particularly in England, if a restriction on the amount of foreigners a club can field was not put in place, it wouldn't be long that we would see the England Team selected from division 2.

Recent years have shown the USA, Japan, Croation, Mali,Senegal,Nigeria, Cameroon, Greece, Turkey and Korea making names for themselves. A proleague only helps. Burrell's initial plan is the way to the WC. Group of players groomed and kept together and supplemented whenever.

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I have to say I agree with ddread here also Jahjesty.

If we waited for your pro league to happen nothing will happen for years.. coz even if it was created next week, it will still take a few years to kick in smoothly.

I disagree that a Tappa,pepe or Andy would of walked into a big team if they were involved in a proleague set up earlier in their careers. Bibi and Fuller was in the same boat.

I am waiting to see how TnT does in the WCQ, coz they have a proleague, I've been told.

And when you do have a proleague, the clubs also import players. Is it not Jamaicans who are doing well in TnT.. In England, Italy, Spain, etc particularly in England, if a restriction on the amount of foreigners a club can field was not put in place, it wouldn't be long that we would see the England Team selected from division 2.

Recent years have shown the USA, Japan, Croation, Mali,Senegal,Nigeria, Cameroon, Greece, Turkey and Korea making names for themselves. A proleague only helps. Burrell's initial plan is the way to the WC. Group of players groomed and kept together and supplemented whenever.

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Trinidad does not have the wealth of talent for a pro league to benefit them significantly. Imagine, they had to import some second string Jamaica National palyers to beef up their squads. The Jamaican situation is unique in the third world, just as it is in the track world. I would not propose an elaborate track program for Trinida or even the Bahamas (despite their success) because the wealth of talent is not there.

Your issue on length of time is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If this had been looked into right after 1998, we would not be here twiddling our thumbs about what to do next. I think even the revered Prof. Simoes suggested as much back then.

Listen man, if we keep recycling these under-prepared players hoping that one or two gets picked up to go play abroad, and that we can find another one or two UB40s to aid the cause, we will be back here four years from now having the same discussion. Either we settle for the hodge-podge results we currently have with the occasional lucky streak or we take steps to exploit our talent base.

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Pepe Stew Peas

Fabian Marshall Reid

Andy Bibi

Euell

Fuller King

If we had lost with that squad under the circumstances, I don't think I would have complained, would you?

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JahJ, Jerry should be in there; take Fabian out and stick Jerry behind Euell.

Laza, imagine kept playing the same side that had failed us on three preivious occasion, and expected to get a different result against the U.S.

As i have said on one occasion, Brown i was skeptical about, but to make a coaching change at this point could be disasterous, and we had our disaster.

That first draw against the U.S. was a coaching change backlash. One does not need to know players to recognise fatigue. So for that one has to question his sense.

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[b]Details.
Name Sebastião Lazaroni
Birth 25.09.1950
in Rio de Janeiro [ RJ ]

Career.
Clubs Botafogo-RJ
1984-1986: Flamengo-RJ
1987-1988: Vasco de Gama-RJ
1988: Al Ahly - Saudi Arabia
1988: - Saudi Arabia
Grêmio-RS
Atlético-Pr
1989-1990: - Brazil (Seleção)
1990-1992: Fiorentina - Italy
1992-1993: Al Hilal - Saudi Arabia
1992-1993: Bari - Italy
1992-1993: Deportivo Leon - Mexico
1994: Vasco de Gama-RJ
1996-06/02/1997: Fenerbahçe of Istanbul - Turkey
05/04/2000-19/06/2000: - Jamaica
27/11/2000-12/04/2001: Botafogo-RJ
07/07/2001-09/09/2002: Yokohama Marinos - Japan
29/06/2003-2004: Al Arabi - Koweït
14/07/2004: - Jamaica

Titles by team Championship of the State of Rio de Janeiro: 1986, 1988
Copa América: 1989
Cut Saoudienne: 1995
Cut Nabisco: 2002

Trophy Ramon de Carranza (Cadiz): 1987

Carl Brown requested this man and Lazaroni is quoted has saying that Coach Brown asked him to stay on even after our failed attempt. But 'life's a b@t#h then we die.' so Lazaroni will go down in the eyes of most Jamaicans as a scrub irrespective of his career stats. [/B]

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