Had this discussion with some of my colleagues from school the other night. They believed the remittance from these persons can take the country forward instead of them staying here with no jobs. I see things different, we cant progress if we sent away our engineers, chemist and biologist. The value and the spill off from the value they create here will be much greater than the remittances. Moreover the knowledge loss is much greater than the value of any remittance. with such a policy we wld become a big supermarket and we will run into farin exchange problems. Weh the ite dem view
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Zilla you are right. It is not just based on the amount of money remitted, more importantly is how it is managed. The less professionals there are in a country the more likely those who are there will become corrupt, wasteful and more elitist.
If it was about the amount of remittances Jamaica will be the pearl of the western hemisphere right now, economically speaking.
The only way remittances can uplift a country is if it is generated by the less educated while the vast majority of professionals stay put, not the other way around.
Re: Can a policy of migration of trained personnel aid ja?
Yes, Zilla but a policy of no migration or limited/control migration can also contribute to the upliftment. Like de wise Ras sey, its not 'eeda' or 'ida' but the individual and collective positive thought process/motivation and the representation of those in socio-economic policies;
e.g. look pon de one Zorro, he explains very clearly why he lives in Costa Rica: "The only way remittances can uplift a country is if it is generated by the less educated while the vast majority of professionals stay put, not the other way around"....so my guess is he will be staying put in Costa Rica and continue moonlighting his ignorance on RBZ and send remittances back home to wifey fambily. Make a note Zorro this is the first time I agree with you.
Re: Can a policy of migration of trained personnel aid ja?
Yes, Zilla but a policy of no migration or limited/control migration can also contribute to the upliftment. Like de wise Ras sey, its not 'eeda' or 'ida' but the individual and collective positive thought process/motivation and the representation of those in socio-economic policies;
e.g. look pon de one Zorro, he explains very clearly why he lives in Costa Rica: "The only way remittances can uplift a country is if it is generated by the less educated while the vast majority of professionals stay put, not the other way around"....so my guess is he will be staying put in Costa Rica and continue moonlighting his ignorance on RBZ and send remittances back home to wifey fambily. Make a note Zorro this is the first time I agree with you.
Spot on observation, Zorro!
I hear u XY but how can such a policy work? Where has it happened before? How much has jamaica moved forward since we have adopted such a stance?
i was having this discussion with some of my colleague as professionals; lawyer, chemist, banker etc and they all agreed that leadership is the main problem. I also concur but leaders did not fall from the sky. if a lot f the educated persons migrate, who select the leaders? It is the poor and uneducated who determine who win election in jamaica. Which means that all a politicians have to do is cater to the desires of these persons and dem win. If educated persons and professionals had a say in the process then we wld av seen a different behaviour from politicians. but can teh diaspora vote? No!! Yes they were correc leadership is a major problem but they are also advocating migration of trained persons. I believe only in migration of trained persons to hone their skills overseas and most return to apply the knowledge and experience gained.
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FORMER President - F.A.A.B.A.C.B(Fans Association Against the Baseless Attack on Captain Burrel)
Zilla you are right. It is not just based on the amount of money remitted, more importantly is how it is managed. The less professionals there are in a country the more likely those who are there will become corrupt, wasteful and more elitist.
If it was about the amount of remittances Jamaica will be the pearl of the western hemisphere right now, economically speaking.
The only way remittances can uplift a country is if it is generated by the less educated while the vast majority of professionals stay put, not the other way around.
pele that was the same thing I said to them. The only way i support migration is if its the uneducated. firstly they will have a greater chance of making it in an established institutional framework. secondly the remittances wld be more beneficial if we had establish industries so most of it can stay here instead of financing imports.
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FORMER President - F.A.A.B.A.C.B(Fans Association Against the Baseless Attack on Captain Burrel)
Re: Can a policy of migration of trained personnel aid ja?
Yes, Zilla but a policy of no migration or limited/control migration can also contribute to the upliftment. Like de wise Ras sey, its not 'eeda' or 'ida' but the individual and collective positive thought process/motivation and the representation of those in socio-economic policies;
e.g. look pon de one Zorro, he explains very clearly why he lives in Costa Rica: "The only way remittances can uplift a country is if it is generated by the less educated while the vast majority of professionals stay put, not the other way around"....so my guess is he will be staying put in Costa Rica and continue moonlighting his ignorance on RBZ and send remittances back home to wifey fambily. Make a note Zorro this is the first time I agree with you.
Spot on observation, Zorro!
I hear u XY but how can such a policy work? Where has it happened before? How much has jamaica moved forward since we have adopted such a stance?
i was having this discussion with some of my colleague as professionals; lawyer, chemist, banker etc and they all agreed that leadership is the main problem. I also concur but leaders did not fall from the sky. if a lot f the educated persons migrate, who select the leaders? It is the poor and uneducated who determine who win election in jamaica. Which means that all a politicians have to do is cater to the desires of these persons and dem win. If educated persons and professionals had a say in the process then we wld av seen a different behaviour from politicians. but can teh diaspora vote? No!! Yes they were correc leadership is a major problem but they are also advocating migration of trained persons. I believe only in migration of trained persons to hone their skills overseas and most return to apply the knowledge and experience gained.
Zilla, yu argument cockeyed and sound backward, something Zorro would sey for sure.
Tell me or define for me 'educated' and 'uneducated' Mi kno everyone rate up Bob Marley. Bob use to sey, if he was educated he would be a damn fool. Bob must have visioned the following....
Yu argument nuh readi Zilla, based on your apriori premise it full up a false positives!
Xy sey, some a de wisest brethren dem wey de bout a yaad back inna de dayz was 'Farmer George' wey could not read or write pon no 'standard'. Comparatively, Xy, reason with nuff man wey graduate from college wid more than one degree and dem nyam backward fe breakfast lunch and dinner.
Mine how yu a fling round dis educated and uneducated ting, the concern you have is much more complicated brethren.
No disrespect, but in the context of my reasoning consider the following definition for lawyers, engineers, bankers. They are all 'experts' and an expert is defined as one who knows more and more about less and less.
Re: Can a policy of migration of trained personnel aid ja?
Yes, Zilla but a policy of no migration or limited/control migration can also contribute to the upliftment. Like de wise Ras sey, its not 'eeda' or 'ida' but the individual and collective positive thought process/motivation and the representation of those in socio-economic policies;
What sense is there in talking about migration of TRAINED PROFESSIONALS except for the perceived level of remittance they can generate vis a vis the untrained?
You are not even on topic but you a claim seh you a launch missiles.
The individual and collective positive thought process/motivation you talk about applies to all, the trained professionals and the untrained. It sounds like you really nah seh nothing, because you are not.
Re: Can a policy of migration of trained personnel aid ja?
Yes, Zilla but a policy of no migration or limited/control migration can also contribute to the upliftment. Like de wise Ras sey, its not 'eeda' or 'ida' but the individual and collective positive thought process/motivation and the representation of those in socio-economic policies;
e.g. look pon de one Zorro, he explains very clearly why he lives in Costa Rica: "The only way remittances can uplift a country is if it is generated by the less educated while the vast majority of professionals stay put, not the other way around"....so my guess is he will be staying put in Costa Rica and continue moonlighting his ignorance on RBZ and send remittances back home to wifey fambily. Make a note Zorro this is the first time I agree with you.
Spot on observation, Zorro!
I hear u XY but how can such a policy work? Where has it happened before? How much has jamaica moved forward since we have adopted such a stance?
i was having this discussion with some of my colleague as professionals; lawyer, chemist, banker etc and they all agreed that leadership is the main problem. I also concur but leaders did not fall from the sky. if a lot f the educated persons migrate, who select the leaders? It is the poor and uneducated who determine who win election in jamaica. Which means that all a politicians have to do is cater to the desires of these persons and dem win. If educated persons and professionals had a say in the process then we wld av seen a different behaviour from politicians. but can teh diaspora vote? No!! Yes they were correc leadership is a major problem but they are also advocating migration of trained persons. I believe only in migration of trained persons to hone their skills overseas and most return to apply the knowledge and experience gained.
Zilla, yu argument cockeyed and sound backward, something Zorro would sey for sure.
Tell me or define for me 'educated' and 'uneducated' Mi kno everyone rate up Bob Marley. Bob use to sey, if he was educated he would be a damn fool. Bob must have visioned the following....
Yu argument nuh readi Zilla, based on your apriori premise it full up a false positives!
Xy sey, some a de wisest brethren dem wey de bout a yaad back inna de dayz was 'Farmer George' wey could not read or write pon no 'standard'. Comparatively, Xy, reason with nuff man wey graduate from college wid more than one degree and dem nyam backward fe breakfast lunch and dinner.
Mine how yu a fling round dis educated and uneducated ting, the concern you have is much more complicated brethren.
No disrespect, but in the context of my reasoning consider the following definition for lawyers, engineers, bankers. They are all 'experts' and an expert is defined as one who knows more and more about less and less.
Seeking a discussion on an issue thats affecting the country mi brother. Looing for insights on the matter, not in the passa passa. All i ask is if do yu support the policy or not an the rationale for your choice
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If the "professionals" can't find work in Jamaica then it is better to allow them to migrate. An ex-pat engineer's remittance is better than a local unemployed engineer (you can replace the engineer with any other professional you wish and it is still true)
What we as a society needs to figure out is how to create the atmosphere where local talent with good ideas can develop new start ups and grow new businesses. There are many smart and creative youths in Jamaica, what they lack is access to capital to create new local based businesses.
I said it already on thread way back but government monies is better spent assisting in the development of 100 small 50 room hotels or 500 small 10 room B&B than the 5000 room mega resorts that they keep giving to Butch and him fren dem. These mega resorts are invariably owned by offshore interests where as the smaller resorts are more likely be owned by local interests that turn over their money in local banks that can in turn help to facilitate local development.
Bottom line is this. It is not about who go and send remittance and who stays. It is about what dem do when dem go vs what dem do if dem stay.
Zilla, try this again when you graduate this is a circular topic and a little more complex than ABC. Maybe in your research you will eventually figure it out.
Your friend XY did it before yu that's why now he relies on launching guerrilla attacks and running back in his hole when real bombs reach him.
Zorro, in case yu still alive an wondering wa bus yu head, it was a Guided Missile, launched from a 4D stealth.
Poor baby! Now you mad with Zilla because you run come fi fire off another pebble and realized seh his post figuratively took away your launching pad. See how easy it was to neutralize your slingshot? All he did was cut one of the rubber band.
Your friend XY did it before yu that's why now he relies on launching guerrilla attacks and running back in his hole when real bombs reach him.
Zorro, in case yu still alive an wondering wa bus yu head, it was a Guided Missile, launched from a 4D stealth.
That's what that was?
Mi kno yu confused from de head bussup an can ongle ramble from here on in; but yu beta wake up soon an worry bout de frying pon wey de wifey a set fe slap yu cross yu face wid fe de pon RBZ forum a chat bout she is less educated than har relatives in Jamaica suo she fe keep working and send de remittances.
Zorro, yu were relegated to RBZ class clown years ago, your greatest asset is parroting, you add nothing of substance. Just keep sending your remittances back home to your more educated in laws.
