"I Certainly agree with you on the comparison of our National track programm and the best sprint coach in the world "Glen Mills" I was ridiculed!!! how ever on the point of JFF i absolutley dis agree! to put it bluntly JFF "SUCKS", action speaks louder than words,until that mind set at JFF changes we will cintinue to loose out on the naturaly gifted talent like Raheem, evedently he possed that talent before he migrated to England, the bottom line is leadership and management is critical in our National Football programme, waiting at the last minute and running to England to try to talk to players is a no brainer,Sturridge said it when he was vacationing here no body asked him if he wanted to play for JA., Raheems own mother said she would love to see her son in the National colours, and what does JFF do not a damn thing and then comments supposedly made by world class coach Tapparino if it is true the yute fi play fi di under 20 if it is true, shows how brilliant Tapparino is Lol, this yute is ready fi di National side just like Bibi was"
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No doubt Sterling is ready to be groomed in international ball, but , despite his mom wanting him to represent us it appears his heart might be with England. You can't really blame him though when you consider that he probably believes playing for England will make his pockets fatter and offer more opportunity.
"And if the report is accurate JFF nuh ask him!!!, I am willing to bet the yute dem from PHoneix academy probably won't be called! i guess they are foreighners like Raheem!!!! Lol.
real ting cause mi talk to Raheem sterling from blackburn (reserves) (england u21 stand by) an him waan come play but dont kno how fi go bout it and mi tell jy but the yute sey jff still nuh contact him yet. come to think of it mi not even sure bout this nigel neita thing, cause all now mi nuh hear ntn more bout it. jff a try carry wi in circles.
Rokkstar, you mean QPR reserves?
When did you speak to him, and are you still in contact with him? If he said this 2 years ago he was 15 then, who knows what he's thinking now.
If what you say is true that he wants to play for his birth nation then half our problems are over.
J-Yute anything you can share with us as to how the coaches looking at this youth right now? Liverpool has brought him on their senior team on 3 occasions this past season and he played, shouldn't he be considered for our senior ReggaBoyz as a result?
A wonder if one of this so called saviours farth a England if unno smell it a unno yard!
Like our track and field all our football needs is resources. Example, nuff a unno same one are the same ones who use to be saying our T&F athletes should take US scholarships and coaching if them want make it as top class athletes. Glen Mills, francis and others would a dead fi hungry now if them did listen unnu.
Now look how unnu a kin teet and gwan like unnu did a support the ting from the jump.
Look pon all the ballers that leff JA football and the impact they have had on their Farrin team. The shows that with resources I have no doubt we can duplicate our T&F athletes success. But because nuff a unnu cant tell unnu nose from battam all unnu can offer JA football is something unnu read, hear or see pon TV bout some baller who probly dont know Reggae come from JA not Calypso.
The worse a di so call guess-perts who only hear bout the baller pon thi site and start call fi inclusion in the squad. Worse them blame the coach, admin, president, dem granny seh the baller not on the team.
I am good friends with Jr. Hoilett's family and know for sure he will not represent noone until he has signed a contract that will secure his future. Yet still nuff a unnu a blame JFF sey the baller not on the side. Daniel Sturridge deh pon TV a Jamaica a tell unnu seh a England to him ting but yet still unnu would a crucify the Captain sey him fi deh inna de side. Me haffi just shake mi head and laff.
Nuff A unnu fi go chuck off a and low we team we a progress and we soon get deh widout unnu set a fling-stone-behind unnu artist.
Perry Boy I can tell you've not followed JA international football or this site for very long by these statements; "all our football needs is resources."
If that was all our football need was resources, we wouldn't be talking about Raheem, Jobi, Hoilett etc, because we would already have a bum side that just need an infusion of coil.
My yute we talking bout WCQ for 2014, no amount of money from Digicel, Grace Kennedy, Red Stripe and the rest can make Austin & Jason play any better in our midfield. Yes, these two have had some impact on their farin team, but internationally playing for us they are average and maybe a bit below average.
Plain and simple we need a new midfield, whether it's Phillips & Fuller, or Raheem, Hoilett or Jobi, it cannot remain the same. Or else we're staring down another miss world cup opportunity in 2013 HEX.
Do you understand PerryBoy, I made very simple for you....
HI, since you a di one fi talk up! If you want to know how long I have been on this site, just check my sign up date. Me did think you smarter than that. As a matter of fact I been following this site about 2 or 3 years prior to signing up.
I have following long enough to know you should stick to your radio show (or them get rid of you for talking without facts) cause you just here to tear down the program with your farrin mind. However, unlike you I dont post/chat unless me have something substantial or different to say.
You a di biggest bug of all. For someone who cant name a player (maybe not even a team) in Jamaica but you want come talk bout a bag a farrinas weh more than likely nuh interested inna Jamaica till Englan nuh interested inna dem.
My youth resources dont mean $$$ alone. We need an infusion of people that love the game that can nourish the youths, turn some of the cow pastures into decent fields. Having enough balls and know how to run leagues of all ages to develop the youths tactically as well as physically. Vision to implement Jamaican football style across the Island.
Your problem is that you see short term quick fixes like the captain seeing short term Digicel etc. $$. You talk bout homegrown ballers like it's a given that these English ballers a go run round them like nuthin. Look how much bug them try out from England so if them so good and cant mek England side (wey nuh win nuthin since them had real yardman) what mek them so special.
Memba this before you run off you mouth next time! Weather or not we make the Hex/World cup I will be here supporting JAMAICAN football and as a yardman I wont be begging nobody fi play fi wi!
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Raheem Sterling did not make the Great Britain Olympic team so he will be fully focused on Liverpool.
The new Liverpool gaffer, Brendan Rodgers, is a student of the Spanish style of football, he speaks Spanish fluently and has spent time studying training sessions in Spain. He will make passing accuracy a REQUIREMENT for his entire squad.
If Sterling shines at Liverpool the JFF should have him on speed dial.
HI, since you a di one fi talk up! If you want to know how long I have been on this site, just check my sign up date. Me did think you smarter than that. As a matter of fact I been following this site about 2 or 3 years prior to signing up.
OK PB, as a man I stand corrected, you've being here long enough as you say. However how often you read these post that myself and many others have talked about Jamaica's football development? These human resources argument you're advocating we've gone over those arguments time and time again. You affi read every thing brethren to find out all that we are saying.
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I have following long enough to know you should stick to your radio show (or them get rid of you for talking without facts) cause you just here to tear down the program with your farrin mind. However, unlike you I dont post/chat unless me have something substantial or different to say.
You a di biggest bug of all. For someone who cant name a player (maybe not even a team) in Jamaica but you want come talk bout a bag a farrinas weh more than likely nuh interested inna Jamaica till Englan nuh interested inna dem.
Perry I don't know if you can stand up to argument, but first I really don't appreciate dem kinda characterization, that I'm a "bug" and "one who tears down JA football..." I'm won't say I've not being negative before especially when the team plays deplorable. Yes sometimes emotion gets the better of us and we react first before thinking. I've being guilty of that and likewise others.
I've being negative toward my wife and Children on a few occasions that doesn't mean I don't love them dearly and willing to apologize when I'm wrong. Have you being negative to anyone close to you but still love them dearly Perry? We are just plain man and we all go through life as such in our imperfect state. Criticizing TAPPA/JFF doesn't mean my intention is to tear down JA football. The I must make distinctions between what is considered tear down apart from what is constructive criticism.
To say I'm a bug and one who tears down JA football is an attack on my character as a person and disrespectful, and that shouldn't be. A reason bout football it's not that serious.
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My youth resources dont mean $$$ alone. We need an infusion of people that love the game that can nourish the youths, turn some of the cow pastures into decent fields. Having enough balls and know how to run leagues of all ages to develop the youths tactically as well as physically. Vision to implement Jamaican football style across the Island.
Again I stand corrected regarding the resources ting, that you also mean human resources. Your argument here is well taken, but PB if you've being reading all our post, not just one or two you'll realize we've talked about these issues on a number of occasions, making these very same points you've made here. We love JA football as much as you my youth. We commit money & time into this.
Originally Posted By: Perry Boy
Your problem is that you see short term quick fixes like the captain seeing short term Digicel etc. $$. You talk bout homegrown ballers like it's a given that these English ballers a go run round them like nuthin. Look how much bug them try out from England so if them so good and cant mek England side (wey nuh win nuthin since them had real yardman) what mek them so special.
These two highlighted statements of yours are straight up presumptions. Anyone on here who reason often, have talked about long term and short term goals for JA football. Just like in life one has to have short term and long term goals.
Us wanting JA to add 2-3 midfielders from the EPL to give us a better chance in the HEX is realistic, and it's not in any way undermining the value we have in our local players; we have to be realistic. Tappa has searched the RSPL through and through for the past 2 years and he has not come up with a midfielder or two that take the place of Jason or Austin, none nada.
Secondly, no one has said on this site from what I've read, that any of these UK Jamaican players coming in are a given. In the past we've had good ones as well as not so good one; more so good ones I might add.
The main reason we advocate so ardently for a Jobi, Hoilett, Raheem, Pratley etc. is because they play top flight football and are considered the better players on their respective teams. (Raheem the best on his reserve team).
Now PB in all honesty do you think we are out of place in advocating for them? All these love JA.
Jobi played for us once and he agreed to come on board again while he was on his honey moon here in JA.
Hoilett, had already declared his love for JA, but theer's no denying his love for Canada, land of his birth.
Raheem is a born Jamaican, end of story.
Pratley already played for us....
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Memba this before you run off you mouth next time! Weather or not we make the Hex/World cup I will be here supporting JAMAICAN football and as a yardman I wont be begging nobody fi play fi wi!
Yes, my 2 other blood brothers have being some of the few at some of the friendlies here in Florida amongst the thousands of Guatemalians, Colombians, Hondurans.
So PB next time you thinking of jumping in my face mek sure seh yo argument strong and sincere before you do.
"I get the impression from responce from a lot of the ites that if Tapparino and JFF is critized that we dont want the best for JA., on the contrary we love our country and don't see constructive critisim as being a problem, and give likle credit where it is due, but some man is like dem worship Tappa and di Bwoy Burrell, even fifth colomnist like wannabe Jamaican Costarican Bwoy come pon wi forum a talk a bag a "ALMS HOUSE".
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A certain core of posters are here to prove that JFF/Tapa nuh good or nuh have no sense. No matter the truth or reality of the situation it's JFF/Tappa fault cauh, dem nuh know weh dem a duh. Eend of argument as far as these keyboard jockeys are concerned. These guys have no actual knowledge as to who was or was not contacted by JFF. My trusted source is no longer with JFF as JY teck him job (j/k) but I know this: at least 4 of the players/flavor or the months that have been hyped in these types threads that certain man claim JFF a fool fi nuh contact them, have been contacted - better yet begged to play for JA. However, due to various circumstances outside the control of JFF/Tappa they have not yet come aboard. One player who is being praised as a savior was pursued and to put it mildly, was non committal in his response.
If anyone on here think a young 17 year old is not being pressured or influenced by England, his club and other factors is a bigger fool than JFF. Regardless of what that players mom may say, the decision process is not so simple nor does it only require JFF to get a digicel SIM card and then the yute deh pan the next plane to KIN.
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A certain core of posters are here to prove that JFF/Tapa nuh good or nuh have no sense. No matter the truth or reality of the situation it's JFF/Tappa fault cauh, dem nuh know weh dem a duh. Eend of argument as far as these keyboard jockeys are concerned.
These guys have no actual knowledge as to who was or was not contacted by JFF. My trusted source is no longer with JFF as JY tek him job (j/k) but I know this: at least 4 of the players/flavor of the month that have been hyped in these types threads, certain man claim JFF a fool fi nuh contact them, have been contacted - better yet begged to play for JA. However, due to various circumstances outside the control of JFF/Tappa they have not yet come aboard. One player who is being praised as a savior was pursued and to put it mildly, was non committal in his response.
If anyone on here think a young 17 year old is not being pressured or influenced by England, his club and other factors is a bigger fool than JFF. Regardless of what that players mom may say, the decision process is not so simple, nor does it only require JFF to get a digicel SIM card and then the yute deh pan the next plane to KIN.
Jray me kno understand you at all, how come you just a share dem ting ya wid we? That's what this site is about is to help the fans out with info we can't get on our own.
All you had to do is post the name a di players with an anonymous name and nobody would know who post it, so we'll know wa gwaan. You na help the situation man.
We already know the non-committal one is Hoilett.
I would like to know who they begged; was John Barnes involved in any of their contacts?
Why beg when there are other options?
You mentioned 4, but I can count 9 in the EPL alone, and there's more. The ones I think they have not contacted are:
Garath McCleary who just sign for Reading that was just promoted with Jobi McAnuff. he scored 13 goals for Nott. Forrest last season at age 25 and was voted player of the year by the fans. He's known for his long range goals. Though McCleary plays wide I have no doubt that he has the ability to play anywhere in midfield.
Lewis Mcgugan; a central midfielder, 23 years of age, made the English U19 team in the 06-07 season. He's a freekick specialist and good slick skills on the ball. appear 40 times on the pitch.
Nathan Dyer 24; a starter for Swansea City, plays wide and as well floats in the middle; patient on the ball and passes well:Dyer has been in fine form in the 2011–12 season, in which Swansea City has had an impressive run for a promoted side in the Premier League. He contributed greatly to the 3–2 defeat of Arsenal, winning a penalty and scoring a goal.
Raheem Sterling 17 1/2 years; Understandable he's an England prospect. Seen him in clips playing first team ball off the bench for Liverpool and he's playing big man ball at his age. They need to have him on the bench on their senior side, and as soon as his confidence rise a little then it done. He has the silky smooth qualities of his Jamaican born predecessor John Barnes.
It will prove difficult for us to land him, we would have to make the world cup first I think to stand a good chance.
The players' views from within the game, in their current situation...and their views of the JFF, from without.
These players hearts might say..Jamaica, but looking at the state of Jamaican international football as run by the JFF, and comparing that with their current status within the English game...
Their heads will say...England.
In Dyer's and Hoilletts's case, if they want to play international football, Jamaica is their best bet; neither of them will ever play for England.
In Raheem's case, that is still a distinct possibility, depending on how he develops at Liverpool...and how Hodgson sees the next England side developing.
Raheem is currently an England U21 player...with all of English football looking to see whether he will come through.
If he makes a major impact this season...he could easily get promoted to the senior side...at that point he's probably lost to Jamaica, at least temporarily.
What will be an interesting case study is whether Hodgson sees Daniel Sturridge as a majpr part of his future plans for England.
If he does, Sturridge will see himself in England's side in this build-up to the WC; if this does not happen, Sturridge needs to jump ship to Jamaica early...and Jamaica needs to be ready to accept him.
This, in turn, will encourage Raheem to follow suit, if it looks like England will refuse him as well.
Be patient, give them a chance to sort things out with England...and swallow our famous Jamaican pride...and Jamaica could still end up with two excellent Premiereship footballers in Jamaica's side...and more to follow.
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I believe if we are in the Hex and doing well, also if the U20 coach welcomes him with open arms. We could have Raheem in 2013 for either U20s and/or the 2013 Gold Cup because I do not believe England will cap him at the senior level before then.
The players' views from within the game, in their current situation...and their views of the JFF, from without.
These players hearts might say..Jamaica, but looking at the state of Jamaican international football as run by the JFF, and comparing that with their current status within the English game...
Their heads will say...England.
In Dyer's and Hoilletts's case, if they want to play international football, Jamaica is their best bet; neither of them will ever play for England.
In Raheem's case, that is still a distinct possibility, depending on how he develops at Liverpool...and how Hodgson sees the next England side developing.
Raheem is currently an England U21 player...with all of English football looking to see whether he will come through.
If he makes a major impact this season...he could easily get promoted to the senior side...at that point he's probably lost to Jamaica, at least temporarily.
What will be an interesting case study is whether Hodgson sees Daniel Sturridge as a major part of his future plans for England.
If he does, Sturridge will see himself in England's side in this build-up to the WC; if this does not happen, Sturridge needs to jump ship to Jamaica early...and Jamaica needs to be ready to accept him.
This, in turn, will encourage Raheem to follow suit, if it looks like England will refuse him as well.
Be patient, give them a chance to sort things out with England...and swallow our famous Jamaican pride...and Jamaica could still end up with two excellent Premiereship footballers in Jamaica's side...and more to follow.
Hey Ric, and the strangest things have being happening to Sturridge recently; he's being in good form for Chelsea with 11 goals and all of sudden Di Mateo park him fi di seniors.
He missed out on the Euros, and look set to miss the Olympics of which Pierce said he would figure into the starting lineup.
Now Chelsea have brought two more attacking players which means Sturridge, if he stays at Chelsea will more than likely see less playing time than last season, further distancing him from an England selection.
I would like fi think seh destiny a smile pon we and its keeping dis yute off of the England team. I want to hope he would see it da way deh, and just go with the flow and pick us as the destined team. Hahaha
Joke aside, if he missed the Olympics and Chelsea's situation with new players, his chances for England don't look good at all.
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A certain core of posters are here to prove that JFF/Tapa nuh good or nuh have no sense. No matter the truth or reality of the situation it's JFF/Tappa fault cauh, dem nuh know weh dem a duh. Eend of argument as far as these keyboard jockeys are concerned.
These guys have no actual knowledge as to who was or was not contacted by JFF. My trusted source is no longer with JFF as JY tek him job (j/k) but I know this: at least 4 of the players/flavor of the month that have been hyped in these types threads, certain man claim JFF a fool fi nuh contact them, have been contacted - better yet begged to play for JA. However, due to various circumstances outside the control of JFF/Tappa they have not yet come aboard. One player who is being praised as a savior was pursued and to put it mildly, was non committal in his response.
If anyone on here think a young 17 year old is not being pressured or influenced by England, his club and other factors is a bigger fool than JFF. Regardless of what that players mom may say, the decision process is not so simple, nor does it only require JFF to get a digicel SIM card and then the yute deh pan the next plane to KIN.
Jray me kno understand you at all, how come you just a share dem ting ya wid we? That's what this site is about is to help the fans out with info we can't get on our own.
All you had to do is post the name a di players with an anonymous name and nobody would know who post it, so we'll know wa gwaan. You na help the situation man.
We already know the non-committal one is Hoilett.
I would like to know who they begged; was John Barnes involved in any of their contacts?
Why beg when there are other options?
You mentioned 4, but I can count 9 in the EPL alone, and there's more. The ones I think they have not contacted are:
Garath McCleary who just sign for Reading that was just promoted with Jobi McAnuff. he scored 13 goals for Nott. Forrest last season at age 25 and was voted player of the year by the fans. He's known for his long range goals. Though McCleary plays wide I have no doubt that he has the ability to play anywhere in midfield.
Lewis Mcgugan; a central midfielder, 23 years of age, made the English U19 team in the 06-07 season. He's a freekick specialist and good slick skills on the ball. appear 40 times on the pitch.
Nathan Dyer 24; a starter for Swansea City, plays wide and as well floats in the middle; patient on the ball and passes well:Dyer has been in fine form in the 2011–12 season, in which Swansea City has had an impressive run for a promoted side in the Premier League. He contributed greatly to the 3–2 defeat of Arsenal, winning a penalty and scoring a goal.
Raheem Sterling 17 1/2 years; Understandable he's an England prospect. Seen him in clips playing first team ball off the bench for Liverpool and he's playing big man ball at his age. They need to have him on the bench on their senior side, and as soon as his confidence rise a little then it done. He has the silky smooth qualities of his Jamaican born predecessor John Barnes.
It will prove difficult for us to land him, we would have to make the world cup first I think to stand a good chance.
I have hinted at it at in the past, but some refuse to read between the lines. Its a complicated process and not all is as it seems; besides dropping names is not the smartest thing to do especially when I was told these things in confidence. Now I have no inside connections or current knowledge of JFF, but I can tell you this, and its the point I was trying to get at - getting these guys to come aboard the Reggae Boyz train is not as simple as JFF or Tapa reaching out to these players - they have been there and done that....the damn agents will always be there protecting their pay check.
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The players' views from within the game, in their current situation...and their views of the JFF, from without.
These players hearts might say..Jamaica, but looking at the state of Jamaican international football as run by the JFF, and comparing that with their current status within the English game...
Their heads will say...England.
In Dyer's and Hoilletts's case, if they want to play international football, Jamaica is their best bet; neither of them will ever play for England.
In Raheem's case, that is still a distinct possibility, depending on how he develops at Liverpool...and how Hodgson sees the next England side developing.
Raheem is currently an England U21 player...with all of English football looking to see whether he will come through.
If he makes a major impact this season...he could easily get promoted to the senior side...at that point he's probably lost to Jamaica, at least temporarily.
What will be an interesting case study is whether Hodgson sees Daniel Sturridge as a major part of his future plans for England.
If he does, Sturridge will see himself in England's side in this build-up to the WC; if this does not happen, Sturridge needs to jump ship to Jamaica early...and Jamaica needs to be ready to accept him.
This, in turn, will encourage Raheem to follow suit, if it looks like England will refuse him as well.
Be patient, give them a chance to sort things out with England...and swallow our famous Jamaican pride...and Jamaica could still end up with two excellent Premiereship footballers in Jamaica's side...and more to follow.
Hey Ric, and the strangest things have being happening to Sturridge recently; he's being in good form for Chelsea with 11 goals and all of sudden Di Mateo park him fi di seniors.
He missed out on the Euros, and look set to miss the Olympics of which Pierce said he would figure into the starting lineup.
Now Chelsea have brought two more attacking players which means Sturridge, if he stays at Chelsea will more than likely see less playing time than last season, further distancing him from an England selection.
I would like fi think seh destiny a smile pon we and its keeping dis yute off of the England team. I want to hope he would see it da way deh, and just go with the flow and pick us as the destined team. Hahaha
Joke aside, if he missed the Olympics and Chelsea's situation with new players, his chances for England don't look good at all.
The key to this all is, is he willing to now go on waiting for something that will never happen...Sturridge stands no chance of becoming an England regular...he should have realised that when he was left off the Euro 2012 squad...yet im still accept di likkle likky-likky stand-by role, while Micah Richards tell dem fi f..off wid dem standby role...and come a di Caribbean fi enjoy im holiday.
And how long Raheem will be willing to wait to see if im get a senior call-up.
In the meantime, Jamaica is really not looking too impressive right now...no unity in the football imunity...zeen !
If di JFF and its coaching staff no stop listen to every tom, dick and 'arry bout who fi play and who no fi play fi Jamaica...Jamaica not going anywhere anytime soon.
Bring een di best ledda bwoy dem and build a side fi tek it to CONCACAF most wickedly..den woory bout opinions afta.
It hurt mi fi si di wicked football talent Jamaica have available right now that will never play for Jamaica, if things continue this way.
"Any body would protect their bread! so whether the agent is with our rival Uncle Sam or in England the question is why our opponents like USA dont have nuh problem recruiting the top talent for their team ence they are just about assured of qualifying ;)".
Leave nothing to chances! cover all your bases!! does Jamaica have scouts, what is the process to reach out to these players in comparison to how it is done by our successful opponents!!!!!!
