I think Jamaica's best option would be to use 3-5-2 formation with Nyron,Mariappa and Stew Peas at the back Dane/Humphrey on the right Austin and Ried(Until Elliot is fit) as holding midfielders Jevaughn Watson(Until Pratley or Jobi comes) as attacking midfielder Phillips on the left and fuller and king upfront. What u guyz think?
Not a bad line up but why you going with two defensive midfielders..both unsure of being able to play effective attacking passes out of the back and help the team keep possession..I think Jamaica only needs ONE defensive midfielder, based on Jamaica's natural attributes.
What I saw against Panama was Jamaica's lack of ability to play enough EFFECTIVE attacking passes and keeping possession in the midfield.
If Jamaica can get the midfield balance right to improve these areas, then Jamaica is really on to a good thing.
I can't wait to see if the coaches have seen this and if it will improve in the second game against Panama...Fuller and King is going to terrorise CONCACAF this time if Jamaica can get its midfield clicking like it should...I can already see that.
If we have three attacking midfielders who can do their part defensively as well. Then we definitely only need one defensive midfielder.
Also, if we are going to saddle ourselves with 3 central defenders, we have no choice but to field only one defensive mid, just to mantain balance.
Sorry guys, but I HATE the 3-5-2. It demands too much of our wide players and they generally have no help. (remember back in the day, occasionally Goodison used to overlap on the left and combined with Gardner and we looked more dangerous in those moments than at any other time. The rest of the time, we had problems getting forward). At the international level it takes TWO people threatening on the flanks to make life difficult for the other team. Thats something that a 4-1-3-2 formation with attacking full backs allows for. Also, our defenders are now very comfortable with the flat back four. Also there is no Tatti brown type player at this time that would make me want to consider playing 3 central defenders.
Jason Morrison can play that role, but he wasn't invited.
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Originally Posted By: mrexperience
If we have three attacking midfielders who can do their part defensively as well. Then we definitely only need one defensive midfielder.
Also, if we are going to saddle ourselves with 3 central defenders, we have no choice but to field only one defensive mid, just to mantain balance.
Sorry guys, but I HATE the 3-5-2. It demands too much of our wide players and they generally have no help. (remember back in the day, occasionally Goodison used to overlap on the left and combined with Gardner and we looked more dangerous in those moments than at any other time. The rest of the time, we had problems getting forward). At the international level it takes TWO people threatening on the flanks to make life difficult for the other team. Thats something that a 4-1-3-2 formation with attacking full backs allows for. Also, our defenders are now very comfortable with the flat back four. Also there is no Tatti brown type player at this time that would make me want to consider playing 3 central defenders.
Jason Morrison can play that role, but he wasn't invited.
I dont hate it but i rather we play 4 defenders at the International level . 4.4.2 is suited and people like Tappa and Brown knows it pretty well , it is the most popular formation in the world and jamaicans knows it well because it is used at all level of our football . The United States used it in the world cup and won their Group against England . Y not stick to what u know , the 3.5.2 is foreign although spain used it and won a world cup mi seh puss an dog nuh have the same luck .
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All now, fi months, mi a try fi mek Hamilton Isreal see reason when it comes to discussing Rodolph Austin...with no success.
If HI and the Austinites pon dis forum caan see the difference in class, ability and level of football between Marvin Elliott and Rodolph Austin, then wi a waste wi time trying to mek dem see reason.
Rodolph Austin betta dan Marvin Elliott, or even in the same class; please, no mek mi dead fi laugh
Austin is their balla from dem heart...dem no know Elliott, he's seen as a UB40 in some man eyes...and this blinds them to everything else that has to do with the football and the football alone.
I fear that this will be Jamaica's downfall again in this WC campaign...
For the umpteenth time.
U can bring horse a water...but u caan force im to drink.
If Austin was even a half-decent footballer, an English club would have taken him from the backwaters of Norwegian football a long time ago...seeing that his first connection overseas was at Stoke City and other clubs have looked at him since as well.
Last year, Player of the Year in Norway...and no serious interest from even a Championship club ?
I watch Premiereship and Championship football every week during the season....and mi a tell u dis staright up....
Rodolph Austin would struggle badly in even a decent Championship side....his brute force, non-intelligent, non-skillful game would have him picking up cards at a rate faster than a casino dealer deals them out in a poker game.
Trust mi pon dis one !
Hahaha, Hey Ric a give U the benefit of the doubt cause I've only seen Elliot one & a half times, but from that brief observation he's just a more physically solid version over Austin.
I didn't see any enterprising runs from him in the last friendly with Honduras. I didn't see where his ball handling skills was any better than Austin's. Nevertheless they are both on the team and when Elliot comes back we'll get to see who gets the playing time.
I guess the UB40 ting is directed toward the other 'ites dem, ca yu done know seh, where me stand wid dat.
Jamaica's current strongest line-up...with the potential add-ons of players who should be in the process of being called-up and having their documentation sorted out.
Goalkeeper: Donovan Rickeetts(he's currently injured so his next best altrnative for this match-whoever that is.)
R/B; Jermaine Taylor (when his suspension is over)
L/B: Nathan Smith
C/B: Adriann Mariappa
C/B: Nuggsy Nosworthy/'Tew Peas (Claude only as emergency back-up).
L/mid/wing: Demar Phillips
R/mid/wing: Chris Humphrey/Dane Richards/Omar Daley.
C/M (creative): Ricardo Fuller/Darren Pratley(if he is called up and being processed), JeVaughn Watson (potentially good for this position depending on his development).
C/M (defensive): Rodolp Austin(with Elliott injured and Jason Morrison not in this squad, he's the best option, not my favourite)/Lovell Palmer(plays this role for his MLS club.
Main striker: Marlon King
Support striker: Ryan Johnson (his goal ratio of 1-in-every-two-games (7 goals in 14 games) is a top strike rate for any side/any other of Jamaica's performing strikers based on form...Jamaica's strikers WILL SCORE goals once the team is providing them the proper service.
No locals in this starting team...no Shelton or Dada Daley, both on the bench as alternatives....don't know what Omar Cummings current situation is but...a good alternative on the bench if he's not starting.
I guarantee, this Jamaica side I've selected here, out of the current squad set to face Panama tomorrow night, will beat Panama..and any other team in CONCACAF, on their day.
Do I expect to see Tappa pick a starting 11 that looks anything like this one....NO WAY....way too much politics and non-football issues that he has to consider when picking his final 11.
Good picks Ric.
In case of absence of Jobi or Hoilett for the USA match in September this should be the first 11.
Fuller, Pratley & Watson in the center is quite practical to me.
Fuller occupies the attack; Pratley the box to box work horse will provide ample support in the attack for Fuller & King; as well as mixing it Watson. Jevaughn Watson also a two way player who can play holding midfield & create. This is our strongest first 11.
Lovel Palmer growing in confidence in that defensive midfield slot.
Tappa have most of his senior squad together now for this match..barring who's been dropped or injured...and who might come in after these first round qualifiers against Antigua and Guatemala.
By the time the first USA match comes along...all the big boys need to be onboard...and the little boys sitting down pon bench and learning ball.
If Tappa uses his squad right, we should see a completely revamped midfield against Panama.
The side that we see start against Panama should be the starting side against Guatemala.
Tappa's last match and starting 11 should be the last experiment that we see...and it was a failure...not just becuase of the loss but because of what the team did not do that they need to do against Guatemala.
If Tappa doesn't start his top ballas against Guatemala...the loss to Panama will pale in comparison to what Guatemala can and will do against any likkle dibby dibby side that Tappa put out gainst dem.
Memba sey..di Ric done tell unnu sey...if Jamaica's strongest side is not on the pitch come June 8...IS PURE BEATIN FI JAMAICA !
Real talk Ric. The time for experimentation is over and its time to see the WCQ starting 11. If Tappa selects a weakened team in the next game, we need to sack him quick fast. The best 11 in my eyes,haven't played together in a long time. The best 11 should have been getting games together in preparation for the wcq and that hasn't happened for various reasons and that is a joke really and truly. I'm willing to back Tappa and I will be fully backing the boyz regardless of anything when the qualifiers start as I always do but if I don't see our best 11 on the pitch in the next game I'm calling for Tappa's head, I don't business.
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Originally Posted By: reggae boy
If Tappa selects a weakened team in the next game, we need to sack him quick fast. The best 11 in my eyes,haven't played together in a long time..... but if I don't see our best 11 on the pitch in the next game I'm calling for Tappa's head, I don't business.
What if he selects the worst weakened 11 but get results, would you still want to fire him?
Amen virgo cant be in our best eleven nor Reid..Tappa need to go if he field them in the team..i don't care if them win 2morrow..cause this team that tappa picking caan beat nobody but Caribbean teams
If Tappa selects a weakened team in the next game, we need to sack him quick fast. The best 11 in my eyes,haven't played together in a long time..... but if I don't see our best 11 on the pitch in the next game I'm calling for Tappa's head, I don't business.
What if he selects the worst weakened 11 but get results, would you still want to fire him?
Is luck u a hope fa ?
The USA and Mexico aren't the best sides in CONCACAF by luck !
U see any local MLS rux ballas inna di USA squad ?...the whola TWO MLS ballas mek di USA side 'gainst Scotland...mi no know which side play 'gainst Brazil, but Demsey did inna di USA side so someone did hafi drop out...the ongly regualar MLS balla that is a starter on the USA side is Geoff Cameron...and he's there on merit.
Gwaan depend pon luck, mi bredren...mi wish u all di best.
People will bash the USA but I rate the fact that they have some sense of reasoning and always seek to go after better. They have one of the best league in Concacaf and still they go out there and seek better players. We have one of the worst league in Cncacaf and look at the discussions we r having. as i always seh notin happens by chance, Jamaica is poor for a reason. U need to look no farther than the mentality of its people to get the reason.
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Zilla, that is one thing that has intrigued me about the Jamaican mentality.Is the Ananci mentality that we can outsmart anybody simply because we are Jamaican so ingrained in us, that we totally ignore facts or reason in reaching any conclusion.Even in football, we ignore the simple facts of football, thinking that simply because we are Jamaican, we are endowed with the need to do it differently, no matter the science of playing football.I was recently bemused by JFF Technical committee head McIntosh that Jamaica needs to develop a Jamaican type of football.This kind of thinking has been the detriment of Jamaica even in areas other than football.
Zilla, that is one thing that has intrigued me about the Jamaican mentality.Is the Ananci mentality that we can outsmart anybody simply because we are Jamaican so ingrained in us, that we totally ignore facts or reason in reaching any conclusion.Even in football, we ignore the simple facts of football, thinking that simply because we are Jamaican, we are endowed with the need to do it differently, no matter the science of playing football.I was recently bemused by JFF Technical committee head McIntosh that Jamaica needs to develop a Jamaican type of football.This kind of thinking has been the detriment of Jamaica even in areas other than football.
Charnock2, remember that Jamaica has appeared in seven World Cups, won three of them, produces some of the most in-demand ballers in the game, and has its coaches spread across the globe teaching the game to less accomplished countries. Jamaicans are not people to be concerned with hubris, and certainly are never in danger of letting the facts get in the way.
People will bash the USA but I rate the fact that they have some sense of reasoning and always seek to go after better. They have one of the best league in Concacaf and still they go out there and seek better players. We have one of the worst league in Concacaf and look at the discussions we r having. as i always seh notin happens by chance, Jamaica is poor for a reason. U need to look no farther than the mentality of its people to get the reason.
good talk Z....
I don't think too many J'cans in a yard know the difference between RSPL leagues and ones that are highly regarded abroad. Time and again players like Keamar & Jevaughn will say that JA league is at a lower level, too slow etc.
When a league is slow then players in are not use to making quick decisions with the ball at a higher level. High intensity games will be a great challenge to stay concentrated hence crucial mistakes are made. Not to mentioned the difference in training.....
My thinking, is Tappa aware of these things? This situation sorta remind me of Eric Vernon, Edwards. Drafted from the RSPL, not proven themselves overseas yet they were on the team. Eventually these two were dropped. I wonder if the current ones will play out like that. I'm hoping they prove me wrong
Originally Posted By: Charnock2
Zilla, that is one thing that has intrigued me about the Jamaican mentality.Is the Ananci mentality that we can outsmart anybody simply because we are Jamaican so ingrained in us, that we totally ignore facts or reason in reaching any conclusion.
Even in football, we ignore the simple facts of football, thinking that simply because we are Jamaican, we are endowed with the need to do it differently, no matter the science of playing football.I was recently bemused by JFF Technical committee head McIntosh that Jamaica needs to develop a Jamaican type of football.This kind of thinking has been the detriment of Jamaica even in areas other than football.
So true C'nock so true; I have a neighbor who's Haitian and he has a printing business in JA. He said the J'cans down a yard trying to outsmart him; said he ran into that all the time.
If TAPPA bring these yute to Columbus Ohio in September to face a robust USA team we'll see is outsmarting who.
