Originally Posted By: pelepapa
 Originally Posted By: Ric
 Originally Posted By: pelepapa
 Originally Posted By: Ric
Based on WHAT...your understanding of two likkle coaching dvd weh teach a likkle something bout formations and tactics ?


A coaching DVD came out on this game already? I better run to the store before they sell out.

Mr. don't need a coaching DVD man,

Give us your take on what you saw Daley doing on the pitch. Tell us why he wasn't useless in this game. Because I like him is not an acceptable answer.

Tell us how many counters JA had for the entire game. Wouldn't you expect counters after counters out of this formation? You know like what JA saw against the USA whereby Tappa had to change to a 4 man backline just to contain the onslaught?

Tell us the percentage of balls won by your boss central defenders in the box...What do you think a better team would do with those balls dropping all over the box?

Tell us why with a man less in the midfield, a weaker team (NZ)was operating so freely in that area of the field. Why more passes weren't intercepted for counters or why the KIWI on the ball wasn't closed down with more ferocity. What's with this bend but don't break defense in midfield against a weaker team?

What was disappointing to me is that I didn't see the effort to pressure the ball. This was a friendly which I don't usually put much stock in, but even in a friendly you want to see the right tactics attempted even if they are not successful. Actually that is the only importance I place on friendly games, that the right tactics are being attempted.

Great goals though.


Pelepappa

This was not a vintage Jamaica performance or Jamaica's strongest team...and we all know and have said that already.

You have focused on what this team was NOT doing...and if that is your focus, you have every right to that.

What I saw from this game that was missing from the USA game was an ATTEMPT at playing the right tactics under the prevailing conditions of this game...the most important thing in getting the midfield to defend more and the forwards tracking back...that is the tactics that Jamaica needs, regardless of the quality of the team or personnell, on the pitch.

I expect to see more of the things that were lacking when Jamaica has a stronger side, with our top ballas, on the pitch but I also expect to see that team doing the things that this team was doing, only doing them better.

Dada Daley's improvement lies in the same area of the team improvement...a more all-round defensive contribution; are you saying he was useless in this game, or that he didn't have a reasonably good game ?

I agree, very poor defending on the goals against at crucial times in the match, when the team had just scored, which is purely lack of concentration and when one defender was subbed for another.

No, not a vintage performance from Jamaica but signs that things are headed in the right direction...I call things as I see them


Ric

Nobody asked whether it was a vintage performance. That is why I don't usually comment on friendlies. I am just asking you to back up your initial analysis which you are now progressively running away from.

You and HI insist that the fans should be allowed to play a more critical role in JA football outside of what fans should be responsible for, therefore it is important to analyze what the leaders of this movement say and make sure it makes sense. We wouldn't want a clueless JFF working in conjuction with clueless fans. JA football surely will be lost then. ;\)

Take a look at the game again and try to come up with a coherent analysis that you can stick to. Right now you are all over the place. Your latest analysis contradicts your initial analysis and it too is wrong, even though I see you are inching closer to my position as you tend to do. Where is my lawyer? \:\)

You soon coop the essence of my analysis and pretend that's where you were all the while. Mi done read yu already. You do this all the time. Mi na go let you get away with it this time. Where is mi lawyer? Since you insist on contradicting everything mi say you better gi mi proper credit when you decide fi steal my ideas/reasoning.

You said I was the only one with a different analysis than the whole forum, yet I am still standing on my analysis while you are floundering all over the place. What gives? This is the way you will be carrying on if the JFF made the mistake and lend you their ears as you insist?

You can't look at the game and say the team ATTEMPTED to play the right tactics under the prevailing condition of the game. The game/formation called for pressure defense in the midfield and springing counters from turnovers. I didn't see any of that. Even when they got the turnovers I didn't see an awareness from them that they had numerical advantage just based on the formation NZ played with. That was Dada's fault. If he was playing club ball regularly he probably would've had that awareness.

Dada does not play with his club, therefore his poor performance was not surprising to me even though you promised the forum that he will be there for the national team. Obviously Dada is no Gio or Adu. Unlike them he needs games with his club to shine internationally. He can't wait for his club to get better so he can shine, otherwise he will kiss his international career goodbye as well.

The way you a go after the locals mi know this a go hurt you, but they performed admirably when compared to the regulars, with the exception of Luton. I would like to know your basis, other than bias, for beating up on the locals while heaping praise on Dada, and the 2 lumbering center backs. Dada didn't push the offense, I am not even going to say anything about his defense, because with 5 midfielders his defense was not crucial. The center backs lost the battle in box time and time again and the 2 goals came right down the middle of the field.

You so desperate fi give props to the center backs you even a heap praise pon Stew peas for not making a tackle that would've gotten him sent off. A play which resulted in a goal no less. Lawd mi neva si dat yet.


Pelepappa...

You're seriously talking/writing pure garbage again and trying to cover it up with your supposed high-intellect understanding and analysis of football matches....that, imo, if you do watch them, you're not understanding half of what you see.

Your views of football must be formed on play-station, where the perfect football game and stratgey can be played, without consideration of anything else.

Your views and mine will continue to differ and clash...at least mine are based on the reality of the football that I watch and comment on.

Only heaven knows what yours are based on...its certainly not the football that everyone else is watching.

My views on this match with NZ have been consistent from the start, even with me stii holding out, against all opposition, that Jermaine Taylor did not play a good game, imo....but

My views are consistent; its not my fault that your head is wrapped up in anything else but the football that we all watch and comment on.