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#9795 - 03/17/02 05:53 AM Jamaican national team now
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Just curious what team the ites think would be the strongest that JA could put together right now. I realize that a couple of these players won't be arround for the next campaign.(JL, Hayles and Powell) I like JL and Powell as solid players...enforcers. I prefer JL though because he is contributes on defense and offense, more so than Powell. Powell's tackles always look ripe for a card.

Lowe, Hayles and Fuller look like the top strikers. Hayles is scoring in the premiership and nandi in 3d D. I prefer hayles because I think he makes a better team in terms of willinglness to drop the ball off and plus, he has proven ability to score (led first div. and is scoring in prem).

With two players who appear to have the natural tendency to go for goal themselves (nandi and fuller), I don't know how that would work out. On the other hand they would both occupy an entire defense, fuller with wicked skill and Nandi with skill and size.

Nandi's attitude could be the deciding factor, that and his tendency to lick "moon shots" when him ready. Hayles is probably more under control and more accurate.


Gardner is on form and speaks for himself. Don't know if JJ ready yet. He has the skill to be a playmaker, haven't seen him lately but I get the impression he gets lost occasionally. But I think he would do OK. Hyde was a solid player and played very well when he was given the chance. I've seen wilson play and I believe he could take central midfield over JJ, been a couple years since I seen him though. Lawwrence is good in defensive Mid position, a lot of plays start with him and he is very solid. Plus him have heart for JA. Powell is an enforcer. So either or. Sinclair was our best defensive player, in spite of what some may say. Goodison is the other bad man round the back. Not sure about the final spot. I have heard McDonald is fast though, and that is a key consideration.

Goalie, I liked Ricketts. But Lawrence seems ok as well.

.........Lowe/Hayles......Fuller.............

...Gardner.......JJohnson..........Wilson...
..........Hyde.......Powell/Lawrence........

......Sinclair....Goodison....McDonald.......

..............Lawrence/Ricketts..............
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#9796 - 03/17/02 09:21 AM Re: Jamaican national team now
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that side deh look awright shaggy.. In terms of Team.... They would have to learn the meaning of the word first... Fuller seems humble enough... Now he and JJ should be good assets to Gardner and Lawrence and even Hayles. Even that guy from Derby...what him name...yes...Burton. We also need staff indoctrined in such a manner.
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#9797 - 03/17/02 09:31 AM Re: Jamaican national team now
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So wait deh... bcoz Marshall mek few mistakes we are ready to shake him off...( so did Sinclair score own goals and make mistakes)

And what of Shavar Thomas. Wolde Harris..Andy Williams..
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#9798 - 03/17/02 12:07 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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sinclair is done for this is the team.

ricketts gk
macdonald, shavar thomas, james lawerence and scarlett- defence
daley- defencive midfield
j johnson- right midfield
gardner- left midfield
k kelly attacking midfield
fuller and either fabian taylor, chris nicolas or d richards- frontline. that team will easily make it to the second round with training

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#9799 - 03/17/02 12:10 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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JT, the man ask you what you think. Put forward your selection too and make us take it apart.

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#9800 - 03/17/02 02:16 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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-----------Ricketts/A. Lawrence-------------
---Goodison-----Sinclair---------McDonald---

-----William Wilson-------Jaime Lawrence----
---J.Johnson--------------"BiBi" Gardner----
----------------Keith Kelly----------------

------R. Fuller--------------Nandi Lowe-----

Possible starters:
Hayles for Nandi Lowe
Omar Daley for J. Lawrence
Shavar Thomas for Sinclair (once he has nurtured)

Substitutes:
Andy Williams-supersub
Winston "Fanna" Griffiths-LMid.

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#9801 - 03/17/02 03:12 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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A. Lawrence-------------
---Goodison-----Sinclair---------Scarlett
McDonald---

------------Jaime Lawrence----

---J.Johnson--------------"BiBi" Gardner----

----------------Keith Kelly----------------

------R. Fuller--------------Nandi Lowe-----


Fanna Griffiths could realistically start instead of Johnson,depending on form.
I was in Miami last fall and all the buzz on the pickup fields was about Wicked, but I am a bit hesitant to put him in the starting 11.

Although the midfielders in my team are all very attacking, except for lawrence nobody has shown any abilit to consistently play solid defence without fowling.

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#9802 - 03/17/02 03:58 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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 Quote:
Originally posted by scallawah1:
A. Lawrence-------------
---Goodison-----Sinclair---------Scarlett
McDonald---

------------Jaime Lawrence----

---J.Johnson--------------"BiBi" Gardner----

----------------Keith Kelly----------------

------R. Fuller--------------Nandi Lowe-----


Fanna Griffiths could realistically start instead of Johnson,depending on form.
I was in Miami last fall and all the buzz on the pickup fields was about Wicked, but I am a bit hesitant to put him in the starting 11.

Although the midfielders in my team are all very attacking, except for lawrence nobody has shown any abilit to consistently play solid defence without fowling.

scallawah remember that Fanna is a left sided player, so using him to replace Jermaine may not work, as you would be playing him out of position.

From all indications, Kelly was supposed to have ankle surgery recently, so he might not be abailable to play.

I hear that the youth Omar Daley is one to watch.
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#9803 - 03/17/02 04:45 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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Scallawah, I think you lineup is a great lineup!
------------Ricketts/A. Lawrence-----------
Goodison--Sinclair-----McDonald----Scarltt

------------Jaime Lawrence--------------

---J.Johnson--------------"BiBi" Gardner----

----------------Keith Kelly----------------

------R. Fuller--------------Nandi Lowe-----

Possible starters:
Hayles for Nandi Lowe
Omar Daley for J. Lawrence
Shavar Thomas for Sinclair (once he has nurtured)

Substitutes:
Andy Williams-supersub
Winston "Fanna" Griffiths-LMid.
William "Wikid" Wilson
Tyrone Marshall

Other possibles:
Chris "Kemo" Nicholas
Jermaine Hue
etc....post rest later

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#9804 - 03/17/02 09:18 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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I like yours Bomber I'm not sure of Kelly's form and I would start Powell over Lawrence
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#9805 - 03/17/02 09:25 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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heh heh

bwoy, I never really did rate Marshall. Never really thought much of him. His heart was always there though. Him score that one wicked (surprise) goal gainst TT. But... I think him just not saying much.

So noone really join the Micah Hyde thing. That youth is good. He's a very good distributor of the ball, have skill and him solid. A team player. That's why him mek my side. I think he's would inject a little certainy over Kelly, who wicked, but I don't see as better at this point. Maybe later.


Shavar hasn't done anything. Maybe he has potential to win all the awards he has. But on senior team he is a liability. He never seems to know what he's supposed to do. Just ask Pepe Goodison, who spend half the match a holler after him a tell him fi move.

Andy Williams, bwoy. Wicked spot shooter. Never see him do anything in the past 8 or 10 matches that would warrant him a start. He might even have difficulty as a backup. I would probably get one of the other home grown brethrens.
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#9806 - 03/17/02 11:38 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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You people have got to be kidding me. Isn't this the same forum where everybody wanted Lowe off the team. Now, because he is scoring against some players who are far less than world class, everybody want him now.

Don't forget, he was doing well with KC and could not do anything for Jamaica except cry like a bitch.

This team doesn't need two Jamaican born and bread strikers.

Strikers: FULLER and HAYLES/BURTON

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#9807 - 03/18/02 01:05 AM Re: Jamaican national team now
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Shaggybear! with all due respect why would you start Frank (own goal) sinclair and Daryl (fowlie fowlie) powell??? Every time i man look round frank Sinclair a score a own goal. I man agree with the I on Shavar Thomas plus it seems he is a step too slow. Jamaica's promblem is finding that big central defender who has pace/speed and can tackle like tatty brown.Savar Thomas and Shane stevens who pays for A. gardens are big defenders, but lack pace and timing. Respect.....
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#9808 - 03/18/02 03:28 AM Re: Jamaican national team now
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Originally posted by scallawah1:
A. Lawrence-------------
---Goodison-----Sinclair---------Scarlett
McDonald---

------------Jaime Lawrence----

---J.Johnson--------------"BiBi" Gardner----

----------------Keith Kelly----------------

------R. Fuller--------------Nandi Lowe-----


Fanna Griffiths could realistically start instead of Johnson,depending on form.
I was in Miami last fall and all the buzz on the pickup fields was about Wicked, but I am a bit hesitant to put him in the starting 11.

Although the midfielders in my team are all very attacking, except for lawrence nobody has shown any abilit to consistently play solid defence without fowling.


Scalla, this midfield too green; need veteranship and leadership there; inexperience, and too much greeness can cause a team to collaspe mentally under pressure.

Talent alone won't do it; Powell have to be in there, he's a leader and would provide some mental stability.

Scalla, Midfield is the most important position on the team. That is why for example, during the last world cup you saw Brazil using a player as old as Dunga -which was a mistake- to provide leadership for the team. He had leadership yes, but he had no legs; he was the marker for Zidane who scored two goals for France.

My point is, you can't overlook ledership and experience when it comes to midfield play; it's a necessary part of the engine. Hence, the attacking and defensive midfield positions should only be occupied by experience veterans, leaders, until a younger player proves himself and supersedes them; and we do not have that with those group of green young players you have listed in midfield -Bibi excluded.

I lay a challenge to the coach to either try BIBI or FULLER at the attacking midfield position. They deserve a look; Bibi is showing good form and what can said about Fuller. Putting Bibi at attacking midfield means he would see more of the ball; his confidence has risen so therefore I believe he's up to the challenge at this position.
There's room for Jamie Lawrence at right midfield. JJ should come off the bench, likewise KK.....

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#9809 - 03/18/02 10:38 AM Re: Jamaican national team now
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RHM, everyone does not want Lowe off the team, just the few waggonists that want to give skilla D a run.
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#9810 - 03/18/02 10:46 AM Re: Jamaican national team now
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morefire. I don't remember is when sinclair scored an own goal. I know he may have done it at LC. MAy also have had an occurrence last world cup campaign, I don't remember. JT might have a better handle on that. But in my opinion he was our BEST DEFENDER last campaign (yes, even better than goodison--goodison may have been injured, but even when he was healthy, it was always sinclair that I saw on the ball). Granted him did have one close call in one of the last two televised games where he was just faced with an onslaught of shots. But it was a consequence of him doing his job and trying to cover for other man as well. In the last few WC games it was sinclair back there getting between the ball and goal on most plays.

I agree that powell can tackle hard. That can be scary when we back on defense. It can put the fear in an attacker or (if you are Argentine) make the attacker head right for him in preparation for a world class DIVE!! tink a lie?

To me JL would be a steadying influence in midfield. I think HI have a point when him say the midfeld green though and that's why I would want Hyde in there. The man plays good controlled ball.
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#9811 - 03/18/02 11:08 AM Re: Jamaican national team now
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Yes Shaggy. It is also surprising to me that nobody is giving Hyde a chance. He is scoring on a regular basis for Watford and when he played for Jamaica he distributed the ball well and made some very intellegent runs. I wish that we wouldn't get so caught up in emotions when we make our selections.

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#9812 - 03/18/02 12:53 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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Ah guess wi dun wid 'de midfield general' Theo Whitmore.
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#9813 - 03/18/02 02:54 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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Ricketts

Goodison Thomas Sinclair
(Dixon)

Lawrence Daley Gardner
(Powell)
Johnson Williams
(Whitmore) (Kelly)

Fuller Lowe
(Burton)

Substitutes
Lawremce or Whittaker GK
Dawes (?)
McDonald
Griffiths
Marshall
Scarlett
Hyde
Harris(?)

I don't know much the young Reggae Boyz playin' in Jamaican Leagues.
About Hayles idn't he said that he would never play more for Jamaica?
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#9814 - 03/18/02 03:07 PM Re: Jamaican national team now
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Bwoy, I have to guess the midfield general tappa would have to rest. If Tappa would bring it every game he would certainly hold a place. Shoot, he might hold a place somewhere in the premier.

I remember waaaaaaaaaaaayyy back when I did ask what was the big deal about Tappa. If he was so good why he wasn't playing in a higher division. I remember there were all these excuses, but no real answer. I have to be just satisfied with the fact that Tappa shows up for a top notch performance once every 8 games. You never know when that one game is going to be. The other eight the game kind of just passes him by. I really think he is content to be just a big fish in a small pond.

I would probably bring Tappa on as a sub. I too would have serious questions as to whether Andy Williams would even make the bench. I saw Tappa get buck wild in 1.3 games. 70 minutes against Honduras and for about 15 to 20 minutes gainst mexico in the first game. That was IT. Everything else was pretty much just a disappearing act.

Maybe Andy is out of form, but I did not see anything outstanding or passable from him in this campaign. In ANY of the games really(there was one where he was o.k....don't remember which). Him have heart to represent JA, but we would need more right now.
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