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#97944 - 06/20/08 08:14 AM
Time For Stoke City to Put-up or Shut up? (on Austin)
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They have been watching Rudi for over 12 months, so what is the hold up?
STOKE CITY: AUSTIN ON POLE
09:40 - 20 June 2008
by Martin Spinks
Stoke's director of football John Rudge will deliver a glowing report on transfer target Rudolph Austin after taking one final glimpse before a probable plunge for the Jamaica international.
Rudge checked on the 22-year-old midfielder during a whistle-stop visit to the Carribean to see Jamaica thrash the Bahamas 6-0 to advance to the group stages of World Cup qualifying.
Austin's appearance in back-to-back senior internationals over the past week now leave him poised to meet all red-tape requirements ahead of a move to England.
Stoke must now decide whether to make a move for a defender-cum-midfielder they have been tracking for the best part of 12 months.
"Rudolph did well enough," said Rudge, "even though you have to take into account they were far superior to the Bahamas.
"He started off in a midfield holding role, but they rotated a lot during the game." Austin has already trained with Stoke during several trips to the Britannia after teaming up with compatriots Ricardo Fuller and Demar Phillips.
Fuller initially recommended both Phillips and Austin, but injuries prevented the latter playing the requisite number of competitive internationals to meet work permit requirements.
According to reports in the Caribbean, a deal for Austin could involve Stoke paying his Jamaican club Portmore United £1m.
Rudge, meanwhile, also used his flying visit to Jamaica to check on the progress of Fuller after he pulled up with a knee injury during an international friendly against Grenada last week.
Reports initially suggested the possibility of a long lay-off following damage to the lateral meniscus ligament in his left knee.
But a leading doctor with the Jamaican FA has told The Sentinel that an initial scan has not shown serious damage and he will now go to America to see leading specialist Dr Richard Steadman for a precautionary examination.
And Rudge revealed: "We don't think it is serious, but I think Ricardo is due in America on Monday for his check-up. We obviously want to make sure and find out the score with his knee at the earliest available opportunity.
"He seems OK in himself about it and was certainly walking all right when I met him."
Stoke are still awaiting confirmation of two friendlies against the Bahrain national team and German outfit Nuremburg during their week-long stay in Austria between July 19 and 26.
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#97945 - 06/20/08 08:21 AM
Re: Time For Stoke City to Put-up or Shut up? (on Austin)
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ROBBIE EARLE: EURO BARGAIN BUYS COULD FIT BILL 09:40 - 20 June 2008
I See my old gaffer, John Rudge, has headed out to the Euros to track some affordable talent to give Stoke City's Premier League hopes a boost.
A waste of time and a bit of a jolly for Rudgie? I don't think so, but with all due respect there are only certain names he can go after.
A David Villa or an Andrei Arshavin are certainly non-starters at the Britannia Stadium come August. And I don't think Stoke are going to be chasing too many players from the French and Italian squads either.
But I hear John watched the Poland and Austria game, among others, which may have proved a fruitful exercise. While both countries didn't have good tournaments, there are one or two names within the Polish ranks who would be useful acquisitions.
Keeper Artur Boruc had a good tournament in my opinion. He kept the score down against Croatia and looks a feasible recruit, considering Stoke are in the market for a keeper.
With him playing in Scotland at Celtic, the carrot of the Premier League would be worth dangling. As it would with attacking left-back Dariusz Dudka.
Playmaker Roger Guerreiro also stood out. He is a Brazilian with an EU passport, which would make him an attractive signing and a realistic one, bearing in mind he is plying his trade in the Polish League with Legia Warsaw.
The good thing about Brazilians is they are used to travelling and I'm sure the lure of the English game would be attractive.
Giant Czech striker Jan Koller is a more proven name, admittedly at the end of his career, but the sort of player who would enhance most frontlines.
His 55 goals in 90 internationals speaks for itself. Koller's not the most mobile and you would have to pick players to operate around him. But he's a big name and if you put him in the right combination, then he's going to be a threat.
At the other end of the market, there is a familiar face in the shape of Colin Kazim-Richards.
Hull are reported to be interested in the former Brighton and Sheffield United youngster, who has proved a hit after a move to Fenerbah??e.
There is talk about him wanting to come back to the Premier League and you'd think there is still more to come from him. You know what you're getting, even if it's not quite a surefire hitter like Koller.
Another one I'd consider would be Holland's Orlando Engelaar.
He looked impressive on the left of midfield and is one Stoke may be able to get because he doesn't play for a particularly big club - Twente Enschede.
I was speaking to Bolo Zenden about him and he reckons he would cost between £3 and £4m.
He's 27 and knows his way around. But you have got to be careful. You have to look at players in your price range and be wary fees are not being inflated because they have played well in Euro 2008.
You have to get players in who can do a job and take into account the wages as well, because these guys aren't coming cheaply.
A part of Rudgie's task will involve background stuff and not just relying on the games over there.
You always get players, such as Milan Baros, who play differently with their country than they do for their club.
John has also taken in the Jamaican sun - and that is another good recruiting area.
I am sure, after Ricardo Fuller's success over here, there are more Jamaicans who could cut it at the top. And don't discount the rest of the Caribbean. We have seen an influx of Trinidians in recent years, and the likes of Carlos Edwards and Kenwyne Jones have shown they are good enough in top company.
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#97948 - 06/20/08 10:29 AM
Re: Time For Stoke City to Put-up or Shut up? (on Austin)
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Sometimes you should do some more research before making blanket statements, Rudolph Austin was actually signed to stoke last year, However work permit problems cancelled the move. Stoke are not in a position to loan out players they need right away, as they are a smaller club. Jamaica are rank outside the top 70 countries in the FIFA world rankings, making it difficult for any Jamaican to get a chance in England right now.
Save for those who already have their contracts secure, or are already in England long enough to secure their British passport, ie; Bibi & Fuller, everyone else will have problems, Donavon Ricketts is going through that right now. Lincoln man we expect better.
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#97951 - 06/20/08 11:14 AM
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le santo, are you suggesting we are going to have problems getting rudi over to the mighty potters? i hope not, we can't wait to get him here and in time unleashed on the premier league.
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#97960 - 06/20/08 01:22 PM
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He has an extremely powerful shot from distance, He is a hard tackler with a high work rate (box to box). He is a libero, can play DC, DM, MF, RB, RWB, he is equally effective in each position, but extremely dangerous going forward. He meets the requirements for games played, but our ranking will hurt him, unless Stoke can prove he is an extra-ordinary talent. That would give him a conditional permit.
Weakness: He suffers from the occasional rush of blood, but I've seen a blood rush or 2 end up in the back of the net.
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#97961 - 06/20/08 01:26 PM
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Championship - Austin returns to Stoke
Eurosport - Fri, 30 Nov 11:27:00 2007
Stoke have welcomed Rudolph Austin back to the club and will make another attempt to secure a work permit for the Jamaica star in January. FOOTBALL 2007-2008 Championship Stoke City Tony Pulis - 0 More Stories
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The Potters, who already have Reggae Boyz stars Ricardo Fuller and Demar Phillips at the club, tried to sign Austin in the summer after he impressed on trial.
However, Stoke were forced to call off the transfer after the 21-year-old was refused a work permit by the Home Office as he had not played enough games for Jamaica.
Austin has since established himself in the national side, though, and City are keen to make a second attempt to add him to their promotion-chasing squad.
And Stoke are so keen to land the Portmore United star that they are willing to buy him in January and loan him out to a European team until he earns the required amount of Jamaica caps.
Austin said: "I will be training with them this time for a month. The plan is for the club to reapply for a work permit when the transfer window re-opens in January.
"If that fails then I will go to another club in Belgium or somewhere else in Europe until I earn more national caps and will be able to secure a work permit.
Austin, who scored a 40-yard thunderbolt in Jamaica's recent win over El Salvador, admits he is delighted by the Potters' interest in him.
"The fact that I am going back now shows that they really want me on their books and do not want to take any risks by having me remain in Jamaica and playing in the Cash Plus Premier League and possibly get injured," he added in Jamaican newspaper The Star.
"They want me up here training with them where they can monitor me." TeamTalk / Eurosport
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#97963 - 06/20/08 01:27 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/7466274.stm Stoke target Jamaican Austin deal
Stoke City are hoping to make 22-year-old Jamaican defender Rudolph Austin their first summer signing.
Austin had a spell on trial at the Britannia Stadium last season and a transfer fee had been agreed with his club Portmore United.
But he had not played the required number of internationals for Jamaica to be granted a work permit.
The deal has now be revived because Austin has since gained more international experience.
Austin hit the required number of international appearances in Jamaica's 6-0 World Cup qualifier win over the Bahamas on Wednesday.
But there may be a further snag may because the Reggae Boyz have fallen outside the top 70 of Fifa's international rankings.
It is thought a fee of around £1m was agreed in August for Austin, who can play at centre back or in midfield.
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#97986 - 06/20/08 05:18 PM
Re: Time For Stoke City to Put-up or Shut up? (on Austi
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Since August Austin has become alot better and Portmore should try to ask for 2mill. but however Austin will be worth the transfer fee and stoke will get him for a 'Bargain'.He reminds me of a current Liverpool and England superstar.
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#97993 - 06/20/08 06:13 PM
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Sometimes you should do some more research before making blanket statements, Rudolph Austin was actually signed to stoke last year, However work permit problems cancelled the move. Stoke are not in a position to loan out players they need right away, as they are a smaller club. Jamaica are rank outside the top 70 countries in the FIFA world rankings, making it difficult for any Jamaican to get a chance in England right now.
Save for those who already have their contracts secure, or are already in England long enough to secure their British passport, ie; Bibi & Fuller, everyone else will have problems, Donavon Ricketts is going through that right now. Lincoln man we expect better.
My youth.....that is a myth. There are many players in England that DO NOT MEET: Cap requirements or Country ranking requirements!!!
DONAVON RICKETTS DID NOT WIN HIS APPEAL BECAUSE ............HE WAS NOT DESIGNATED THE NUMBER ONE KEEPER FOR THE CLUB...
Edited by LINCOLN (06/20/08 06:14 PM)
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#97995 - 06/20/08 06:22 PM
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The man right you must do your research first before you come around here talking about stoke must put up or shut up. That kind of talk is indicative of the approach some men take where they run their mouths without any real knowledge. As was stated stoke made an approach but was denied and if you understand the policy and the politics behind football transfers you would surely realize that stoke city fc is not in any position to benefit or demand that certain players get permits.
Like someone said they are a small club and will have to hope austin gets his permit, otherwise they have their back up plans i am sure. But whoever said they were obliged to buy him, last time i check no man can tell me how fi spend my money so who really a fool who now?
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#97997 - 06/20/08 06:37 PM
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The man right you must do your research first before you come around here talking about stoke must put up or shut up. That kind of talk is indicative of the approach some men take where they run their mouths without any real knowledge. As was stated stoke made an approach but was denied and if you understand the policy and the politics behind football transfers you would surely realize that stoke city fc is not in any position to benefit or demand that certain players get permits.
Like someone said they are a small club and will have to hope austin gets his permit, otherwise they have their back up plans i am sure. But whoever said they were obliged to buy him, last time i check no man can tell me how fi spend my money so who really a fool who now?
My youth there are many ways that a player can get into England and these clubs are well aware of every loohole. No one is even saying that Austin has to go to Stoke or even to England.The rules about caps and rankings of a country are just guidelines.That is to prevent clubs from filling up England with cheap players that cannot contribute to the development of the game in that country. They are not set in stone........
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#98000 - 06/20/08 06:42 PM
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Le Santo everything you have posted above......I have already seen/read. I might have even posted some of those that you just put up, so take it easy. Take a look at the post again boss.
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#98274 - 06/22/08 09:04 PM
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Is it the current ranking they go for or an average over the last couple of years?
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#98374 - 06/24/08 06:38 AM
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Tony Pulis has admitted that Stoke are on the verge of agreeing a deal for Portmore United's Rudolph Austin.
The Jamaica international is currently waiting on a work permit being granted, but strengthened his case after appearing in back-to-back World Cup qualifiers against the Bahamas last week.
Pulis confirmed that The Potters are doing all they can to push the deal through, with a six-figure transfer fee expected to be involved.
"It's a staggered deal if we do it," he told the Sentinel.
"It is all based around how well he does over here. As everyone knows, we've had him over a few times to look at him in training and he's looked a decent prospect.
"He's still a young lad and will obviously have to prove himself, but we think he might be worth the chance.
"He's a strong, quick and aggressive type with two good feet, and he can also play in one of two positions."
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Austin would have arrived at the Britannia Stadium last season, along with compatriot Demar Phillips, had injuries not prevented him making the requisite number of international appearances.
However, with the move now nearing completion, Pulis is confident that the presence of countrymen Phillips and Ricardo Fuller will help the youngster to settle once he makes his belated arrival in England.
"That's a factor in our favour," he said.
"With Ric and Demar over here, it's been a good point of contact and will help him settle in a foreign land.
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#98381 - 06/24/08 08:21 AM
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I look forward to young Gerrard playing in di EPL and taking it to top Midfield players.He can comfortably play at right back also ala Gerrard.Don't be surprise if he plays more games than Demar next season.
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#98395 - 06/24/08 11:22 AM
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It may be possible. Austin Fuller Phillips - The Jamaican Trio.
Fuller might recomend another 2 players Evan Taylor and Obrian Woodbine
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#98474 - 06/25/08 05:01 AM
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Stoke City ahead in race for Austin Brazil, MLS teams join rush for Reggae Boy BY SEAN A WILLIAMS Assistant Sports Editor Wednesday, June 25, 2008
LOCAL-BASED Portmore United and English Premier League outfit Stoke City are close to agreeing to a deal for the services of Jamaican midfielder Rudolph Austin.
Meanwhile, the player is being aggressively pursued by other interests in Brazil and the MLS in the United States.
Rudolph Austin (second right) of Jamaica beats Bahamian skipper Happy Hall (second left) to a header during a second-leg World Cup qualifying match at the Trelawny Stadium last Wednesday. At left is teammate Andy Williams. The Reggae Boyz won the game 6-0 for a 13-0 aggregate score. (Photo: Garfield Robinson)
But Portmore, the club that discovered and nurtured the talent of the 22-year-old, is at this stage keeping an open mind and will settle with the club that offers the best overall package in the best interest of the player and the Jamaican Premier League champions.
"We're very excited about the prospects for Rudolph and are delighted with the very positive interest shown by Stoke City. Currently, we are in discussions with Stoke and two other serious and significant interests from Brazil and MLS in the USA," said Portmore director Howard McIntosh yesterday.
"We want the best for the player and the English Premier League is the best league in the world and we are inclined to lean in that direction, but we're also committed to looking at all the options available in the best interest of the player and the club," he added. Austin triggered Brazilian interest while on a three-week, five-match tour of the South American country with a local-based Reggae Boyz outfit in March.
Back then, two clubs - Atletico Paraenense and Coritiba FC - did not hide their intentions to lure the hard-running player their way after his impressive form in the five games.
But with talks at a delicate stage, McIntosh was understandably not prepared to name the MLS club. "We're proud of what Rudolph has been able to achieve after being away from the game for some time. These options have to be discussed and decided in a dispassionate environment, and I'm confident that we'll arrive at the best decision at the end of the day for the player and the club," said McIntosh, who is also chairman of the technical committee for the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF).
In an interview with this newspaper, Austin had suggested that if it was his decision alone, he would prefer to play in England, but said: "I would play anywhere where the opportunity arises."
Meanwhile, Stoke City manager, Tony Pulis, said in the British press yesterday that Stoke were closing in on signing the Jamaican.
Austin, who has had trials with the club before, improved his case for a work permit to play in England after appearing in Jamaica's back-to-back World Cup qualifiers against the Bahamas last week, where he helped his team to a 13-0 aggregate win.
Pulis, speaking in the Sentinel newspaper in Britain, disclosed that moves were in place to try to tie up the player's transfer from Portmore for an undisclosed six-figure fee.
"It's a staggered deal if we do it," he said. "It is all based around how well he does over here. As everyone knows, we've had him over a few times to look at him in training and he's looked a decent prospect," Pulis was quoted as saying.
"He's still a young lad and will obviously have to prove himself, but we think he might be worth the chance... he's a strong, quick and aggressive type with two good feet, and he can also play in one or two positions," he added.
Stoke City official, John Rodge, was recently in the island in an effort to further cement the Austin deal, and according to McIntosh, the negotiations were "positive and encouraging".
Were it not for a long lay-off from action due to injury, Austin would have joined Stoke with Reggae Boyz teammate Demar Phillips last season as he would have qualified for a work permit, having played the requisite number of competitive internationals. Both Phillips and Austin were recommended to Pulis by Stoke City hero and fellow Reggae Boy, Ricardo Fuller.
The manager is hoping the presence of both Fuller and Phillips would help Austin settle in early at the Britannia should a deal be finalised.
"That's a factor in our favour," added Pulis. "With Ric and Demar over here, it's been a good point of contact and will help him settle in a foreign land," he added. Fuller, long plying his craft in the United Kingdom, is in the United States undergoing tests with renowned knee specialist Dr Richard Steadman to ensure he suffered no serious damage to his meniscus lateral ligament after pulling up in a recent friendly international against Grenada in that country earlier this month, which the Boyz lost 1-2. Stoke gained automatic promotion to Engand's top league after finishing runners-up to West Bromwich Albion in the English Championship last season.
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#98475 - 06/25/08 05:04 AM
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Is this just media hype to sweeten the deal?
Austin has an American agent and I believe he is partially owned by Portmore and Stoke City, who is owned by an American businessman.
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