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#93721 - 05/08/08 07:19 PM
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Jamaicanyouth
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Warner allways put Trinidad in a easy group. For the U-17 2007 World cup. In the semifinal round. There was 5 carribbean teams Trinidad , Barbados , Suriname , Haiti and Jamaica alongside Mexico , Panama and Canada. Warner put Trinidad in a group with 3 other Caribbean teams. Thats bias. And him put Jamaica with Canada , Mexico and Panama.
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#93723 - 05/08/08 07:44 PM
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HL always get ketch. It is obvious Boxhill nonperformance at the presidential throne plus not playing regularly is affecting our ranking right now. I would not sweat the ranking since the boyz have some games coming up and the stage is been set to put a strong team on the field, the damage is already done by boyzkill.
As for Guatemala they played agaisnt second string US and Mexican team's. I am sure Jamaica would have won those games. I guess the gold cup appearance had a lot of weighting but it is only before the Boyz rise.
Metro wah you a blame Warner fa?
I wonder how many of you would have backed Guatemala to get results in those games. I guess some may want to tear them down but that´s their prerogative. Mexico´s 2nd string team that Jamaica would have beaten was heavily favoured and talked plenty of junk calling the country "Guatepeor". In case you don´t see the negative pun "peor" means worse and "mala" of course means bad. Plus they had their Junior World Champions like Dos Santos in there...he didn´t score, Guatemala used quite a few of its own U23 players for that game and they repeated the feat in the olympics as well. USA had Donavan, Dempsey, Beasley, Cherondolo, Keller, Spector out there to name a few.
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#93724 - 05/08/08 08:00 PM
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reddevil
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JY, the Trinis will be quick to point out that for WC2002 T&T was in the Group of Death with favourites Mexico and Canada who had won the Gold Cup just the year before.
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#93784 - 05/09/08 02:55 PM
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CARTER
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Reddevil when Guatepeor played JA they used their first string team and were dominated. I am sure you know JA is a superior team.
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#93785 - 05/09/08 03:05 PM
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reddevil how do you rate Guatemala going into Group 1, ?
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#93786 - 05/09/08 03:13 PM
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Never said no about who is better I fully agree the Reggaeboyz are. Every Guatemalan knows that on a senior level Guate hasn´t beaten Jamaica since 1996. In any case in the last game Guate MALA didn´t use it´s first string team. If you think that is their first string team you´re more than a tad out of touch. I mean you tend to notice the absence of a guy who has scored a hattrick against Jamaica. Quite a few starters were out injured or on U23 duty getting ready to shame Mexico. My point is not to say that Guatemala is better just to exlain why they are higher (different thing) in the rankings knowing in some way how the rankings work and how points are allocated I think if you look at the weight of games they have won versus the weight of games they have lost you will see where I am coming from. When I figure out how World Champion Italy is #3 and below France who they beat and Argentina I will let you know but the prospects of me figuring out that formula don´t look so good
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#93787 - 05/09/08 03:24 PM
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reddevil how do you rate Guatemala going into Group 1, ?
In with a chance but T&T will have plenty to say about that. They must maintain their excellent home record where they have never in history lost to USA. Last campaign Mexico was the only team able to get a win in Guatemala. In terms of the other CONCACAF qualifiers, of course USA drew, Costa Rica was beaten twice and T&T was spanked 5-1 before changing coaches. I don´t expect another 5-1 as they have changed their style of play and more organised.
The road for has to be simply "finish the job." The positive is that they scored 6 road goals, but their awful defence was decisive. They threw points away allowing late goals at Costa Rica and at Trinidad. Had they held on they would have comfortably made the World Cup. So they need to get points out of 2 of 3 road games. They tend to be very competitive with USA with the exception of one friendly just after the Hexagonal and with a little luck they could leave the USA with a draw. At Trinidad they nearly won but were played off the pitch and had 2 disallowed goals in their favour. A point at best there. They may need to go for broke in Havana no picnic either. Tricky group.
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#93788 - 05/09/08 03:38 PM
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metro
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ok I heard you loud and clear.Now,how do you rate Honduras going into Group 2,?.
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#93792 - 05/09/08 04:12 PM
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Remember the 2006 group with Costa Rica Honduras , Guatemala and Canada. Honduras beat Costa Rica 5-2 in Costa Rica and then slip apart. They made Canada come take a point in their own backyard. They hit the post 50 times literally. One day they have in a good proformance the next they play as if they have never seen a football before.Its gonna be tough for group 2. But with Simoes help Jamaica can finish 2nd in the group.
Also reddevil u said Guatemala has not beaten Jamaica since 1996. Well thats not true. Guatemala has not beaten Jamaica before.
Prev. Next From 01.01.72 To 31.01.09Date Venue Results Competition Guatemala 0:0 Jamaica 24/11/1969 SAN JOSE (CRC) Continental Final Jamaica 2:0 (1:0) Guatemala 03/03/1996 KINGSTON Friendly Guatemala 2:3 (1:1) Jamaica 08/02/1998 LOS ANGELES Continental Final Jamaica 4:2 Guatemala 07/03/1999 GUATEMALA CITY Friendly Guatemala 1:1 (0:0) Jamaica 30/10/2002 GUATEMALA CITY Friendly Guatemala 0:2 (0:1) Jamaica 15/07/2003 MIAMI Continental Final Jamaica 2:2 (0:0) Guatemala 02/10/2004 FORT LAUDERDALE Friendly Guatemala 0:1 (0:1) Jamaica 20/04/2005 ATLANTA Friendly Guatemala 3:4 (2:3) Jamaica 08/07/2005 CARSON/LOS ANGELES Continental Final Guatemala 1:2 (1:1) Jamaica 01/10/2005 FORT LAUDERDALE Friendly Jamaica 2:0 (2:0) Guatemala 21/11/2007 KINGSTON Friendly
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#93799 - 05/09/08 05:37 PM
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Some of you guys are just unbelievable.
The kit contract is prejudiced by our rankng is what we were told.
This was disputed and in my opinion Burrell had no choice in accepting the kit deal from Kappa or else he would have to deal wid certain tings by himself.
Some believe in 2 years we will have bigger talk. The same pepes who said couple wins with the Captain and we will fly up the rankings.. The same people who are now telling us it's Boxhill's fault..
Do you guys actually know how the rankings really work??
And whilst you are trying to explain is it tru that Nigeria is ranked lower than Jamaica and has a bigger and better kit deal??
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#93800 - 05/09/08 05:50 PM
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JY, I guess I stand corrected but this is the stat I hear in the Guatemalan media before every game they play with the Reggaeboyz. I don´t know what result they are referring to. On the U23 level they beat us 2-1 in 2003 for Olympic qualifying but we went through on the away goals rule after winning the first leg 2-0 in Kingston.
Metro, I have said before Honduras has to be favoured alongside Mexico. They have choked before but a lot of people myself included just think it´s their time to break through. Or will they be the Czech Republic of CONCACAF? Who knows? I think they have too much talent to fail and they look better organised this time around. They have gotten good results on the road before including at Jamaica so if they can do the job at home they should get through. I see them getting points at Canada as they did last time and at Jamaica as well. That could be enough if they get 7 points at home
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#93804 - 05/09/08 06:42 PM
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HERE IS A BRAIN TEASER
Please refer to FIFA SPANKINGS below....
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/rankin...1&tm=11&ty=2002
If I am not mistaken, the Reggaeboyz have been without a kit sponsor for about 2 years (since 2006???). Now, can some one pleeeaaaaaaasssssseeeee explain to me how India was able to sign with Nike in 2006 when the Boyz (RANKED # 43 at the time) could not even sign with Crimson Dawn?
India inked their 7 year deal with NIKE in February of 2006, when they were ranked at # 118.......what is wrong rong with this picture? India is now # 151!!!
THE BEST RANKING THAT INDIA HAS EVER HAD WAS......ding ding ding....94........WOW!!!!
INDIA Highest FIFA ranking 94 - february 1996 Lowest FIFA Ranking 165 - march 2007
Nike signs 7-year deal with AIFF
New Delhi, February 27, 2006 After dressing some of the best teams in the world such as Brazil, the Netherlands, Portugal, the United States and South Korea, global sports goods giant Nike has now set its sights on the Indian football team.
The American company signed a seven-year deal as the official kit sponsor with the All-India Football Federation today after signing a similar contract with the Indian Cricket Board last month.
The agreement comes after the AIFF clinched a 10-year television rights deal with Zee Sports worth Rs 273 crore last year.
As per the contract, Nike will supply apparel, footwear and equipment to various national football teams. The agreement covers the senior men and women’s sides and age-specific teams in the under-16 and under-20 category.
“The new partnership with Nike will bring in cutting edge innovation in apparel and footwear to our players, which we believe will enhance their on-field performance,” AIFF president Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi said at the launch.
However, the deal amount was not disclosed by either party saying “details were still being worked out.” Nike also dresses top European clubs like Manchester United, Arsenal, Barcelona, Juventus and Inter Milan, but the company has no such plans in India as of now.
“We have just started our association with the AIFF and have not thought about similar deals with Indian clubs,” Sanjay Mehra, General Manager of Nike India, said.
As part of the deal, the multinational will also undertake marketing and promotional activities at the grassroots level and merchandise replicas of the Indian team jerseys. — PTI
Edited by LINCOLN (05/09/08 07:01 PM)
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#93807 - 05/09/08 07:49 PM
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Jamaicanyouth
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Its werid. But India have nuff money
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#93808 - 05/09/08 08:30 PM
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HERE IS A BRAIN TEASER Please refer to FIFA SPANKINGS below.... http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/rankin...1&tm=11&ty=2002If I am not mistaken, the Reggaeboyz have been without a kit sponsor for about 2 years (since 2006???). Now, can some one pleeeaaaaaaasssssseeeee explain to me how India was able to sign with Nike in 2006 when the Boyz (RANKED # 43 at the time) could not even sign with Crimson Dawn? India inked their 7 year deal with NIKE in February of 2006, when they were ranked at # 118.......what is wrong rong with this picture? India is now # 151!!! [color:#3333FF] THE BEST RANKING THAT INDIA HAS EVER HAD WAS......ding ding ding....[b]94........WOW!!!!
Potential sales to 1.2 Billion people makes much better business sense than 2.7 million people. Plus Indian sweat shops can produce these for pennies on the dollar.
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#93811 - 05/10/08 01:01 AM
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Tru dat Big mountain, but isn't there a bigger issue..
For instance. The theory that kit deal is equal to rankings.
What you are saying is supporting exactly the opposite. Mr. Burrell could have done much better if he tried to sell Jamaica.
But I digress. The Captain's hands were tied. Favour fi favour.
Ah better the Captain did just try dress it up another way but bcoz of his passion to make himself look like the don and try to prove that he's the best thing for Jamaican Football he had to dress it up like this is the best Jamaica can get and he done it..
Well, we appreciate the efforts Mr. Burrell, but it is not the best deal we could have got.. But if we haffi do likkle favour fi favour fi get ahead, thats acceptable.. But him could have given us a likkle piece of the action mek wi help with design or even mek some more pon the side..
It's not just Jamaican's who buy Jamaican gear. Even Metro can work that out.
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#93821 - 05/10/08 07:31 AM
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I dont think the kit deal has much to do with ur FIFA ranking as much as the oponents who want to play u because pf ur rankings.Hence some countries take their rankings seriously.If a top rank country plays a lower rank oponent and loose they will plumit but if they play a high rank oponent and loose they wont fall significantly.
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#93848 - 05/10/08 02:28 PM
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in my thoughts, no marketing opportunity is based on one criteria, but for each marketing company, their priority criterion(a)will differ.
Our product is not Jamaica, but the Reggaeboyz from Jamaica and their football worth...so the company looking to spend on that product must see a vast ROI.
Nike would go with India for 2 reasons, size of market and production opportunities. With the Jamaica reggaeboyz brand what would be their reasons?
Companies like PUMA, NIKE, ADIDAS can all swing the tide with the utterance of our ranking being too poor to guarantee a lucrative deal simply because their prospective market size would be larger than what is being offered by Jamaica. What would be necessary to make the Reggaeboyz brand worth the expense?
We should not cloud our thoughts with the fact that our music is loved and Jamaica is well known...No, we should consider that football fans buy football jerseys and the size of the market for our jerseys has diminished, hence the difficulty in landing kit deals for the past 2 years....
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#93850 - 05/10/08 02:59 PM
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JT want piece of the action. So you want to make a money off the reggaeboyz also? Burrell in your way man.
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#93855 - 05/10/08 04:53 PM
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Our product is not Jamaica, but the Reggaeboyz from Jamaica and their football worth...so the company looking to spend on that product must see a vast ROI.
Nike would go with India for 2 reasons, size of market and production opportunities. With the Jamaica reggaeboyz brand what would be their reasons?
Mr.Phoqry, I am not sure I follow you but I do have some questions for you.
NIKE, PUMA, ADIDAS etc are primarily athletic wear correct? No apparel clothing company in the WORLD have or will EVER limit their appeal to any small group. With that being said, I would just like to inform you that over 50% of the kids you see wearing Jamaica jersey's or PUMA "Jamaica" sneakers in the USA (trying to look cool)........knows NOTHING about soccer or track and field.
Now maybe you can tell me what team or teams the following players play for?
Shawn Carter aka Jiggaman Curtis Jackson aka 50 cents
Is there a Tuff Gong FC or Tuff Gong track team/club?.......Maybe ADIDAS was endorsing Rohan 
I will leave it at those two for now.....
If you are promoting even plain old water........you want to package your product to reach as many consumers as possible. Every company in the world has one thing in mind and that is money!!! They will sell their mother to get it. Trust me boss, Madison Avenue and or share holders on Wall Street don't care how you get the money......JUST DO IT.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE PICTURE OF THAT CHRIST LIKE FIGURE WEARING SOME NIKE SHOES?............
Anyway I was in Canada prior to the 1998 World Cups and they were running some ADIDAS commercials with BOB MARLEY playing football.......... Based on your statements,I am still trying to figure out who they were appealing to IN CANADA with a commercial like that since BOB was not a CANADIAN or a world re-known FOOTBALLER........and the Reggae music in the back ground.....REGGAE?...FOOTBALL....CANADA?...what was that all about?? 
We should not cloud our thoughts with the fact that our music is loved and Jamaica is well known...No, we should consider that football fans buy football jerseys and the size of the market for our jerseys has diminished, hence the difficulty in landing kit deals for the past 2 years....
For the record I own 4 HOCKEY jerseys.......  Maybe it's just an anomaly... or maybe pop culture is a hell of a thing.
Edited by LINCOLN (05/10/08 05:56 PM)
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