Are you a mad person? SERIOUSLY. A man steps into the presidency of the JFF and says he wants us to go to a world cup and makes it happen and you say his record is that of mediocrity? I think that is the most misguided post ever on this board. Seriously JT, that is unreal. How many of us ever even dreamt about us playing in a world cup before this man?
Why do we have so much self hate as a people? Why do we always have to tear down anyone that breaks out and makes a good impression?
For the same reason everybody want to hang OJ after him get acquitted in '95. (cause there was a history of almshouse, him did have motive, and we find a bloody glove at the scene).
Shaggy, as I said, people like you who were talking all of this hogwash about why Boxhill should run the JFF should be automatically excluded from these debates. You and your crew have already shown that you are just a bunch of rumour mongers and crabs in a small barrel.
Boxhill, who has had stints as head of three parish associations, as well as manager of the Reggae Boyz during the Road to France campaign, said this has been his most challenging task as an administrator.
Not exactly true is it chisel. Yes. Possibly he was in over his head but he has more experience than a lot of us.
Jt from the other day u just in the line a fire so or is it that me need some forum history. Some question though, how did he performed in these post? Is performance a criteria or just positions held?
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It's so funny that the same Ites who are not willing to give Burrell a 2nd chance are the same Ites that are more than willing to give Bora (sorry excuse for a coach) a 2nd chance + 3 years and US$3,000,000. We are so hard on our own while we let others who are performing at mediocrity levels go lightly and handsomely rewarded.
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I hear you BM. I don't see any outcry for this guy that is costing a fortune and doing nothing. The prevailing wisdom is for us to give him a chance, while he sips his cocktails and drives to the bank.
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So when will the "advisory board" be up and running or will these same "boasy slaves"(they know who they are) continue to take ideas from the forum and run to the JFF only to be rebuffed.
We can talk about Burrell all we want but lets face reality
IN this day and age of the global environment what Global company operates with only a CEO? Don't they have a board that reflects the global aims of the business?
Is the Burrell board local or global?
I am still waiting for us to realise that we are being DISTRACTED and that no one else is out there to do it but us.
It will take some of us longer to get it than others but time longer than rope so mi just a pass through and remind unnu that if we want change then we will have to do it ourselves and of course as the old saying goes
Strength in numbers(for the ol pagon dem who a try get rich off a next man brain power, like we no see dem)
some people pon yah no want put in no work and expect fi win and then a cry to the lord when dem pop dung. IF dem did read the "Book of Life" like them suppose to why dem surprise?
Only the diaspora can save them.(try as unnu may no one can go round dah PROPHECY that was inspired by the father through the son)
Arsenal, Chelsea and ManU are all distractions put there by the grave robbing English to make us think we can never achieve all they have.
What have they achieved you ask?
Not a damn thing, they are kings of misinformation and propoganda not to mention grave robbing of our artifacts which they took from lower and upper egypt and have inna dem museum.
Yet we deh yah a argue pon foolishness when we need fi a talk bout going back fi wi things and turning it on pon guy if dem dare flip up and gwaan like dem no want send on wi things.
Now we a talk bout money and guy a run come block wi things with dem "one love" commercial when dem know a fi wi things that.
Its like we are the world's greatest punk and guy nah stop punk wi until we run out pon dem.
anyway carry on being distracted as mi done tell unnu say only an African can lead us to the motherland.
Look from when Rasta a tell wi repatriate and we a disrespect Marcus and Marley's legacy by having a non African lead us back home.
sitting here watching, what is to be must be. We will eventually get it as its already written
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Relax, Chisel, you are like a broken record. You have nothing worthwile to add other than "traffic inspector" to any debate on this topic.
People like you sit back with your one-trick-pony mentality and, because you lack the ability to focus otherwise, you sit back there talking foolishness about rumor mongering and "crab in a barrel."
People were calling for Burrel's head in 2002/2003 for many reasons. I don't need to again set forth those reasons here in detail, as I have stated them many times before. It will suffice to say that many of the complaints that people have with the JFF now are the same complaints that were being made against Burrell before his ouster. The team had not been playing many games and, in addition, there were serious concerns about the lack of transparency with JFF finances. Players were not getting paid even though the JFF had received a substantial amount of money upon WC98 qualification and from games played in the couple years thereafter. Burrell was doing very little. All of a sudden, him brethren Sepp (that he helped to keep in office) got him a game versus the mighty Brazil. How come you never talk about that?
My questions were in large part because I thought there should be funds available, but players were complaining about not getting paid. When he told those inquiring about JFF finances that they should go "jump in the sea," that (plus the non-existent academy and the nonexistent games prior to his ouster) meant there must be a better solution elsewhere. At that point, my view was anybody but Burrell, as long as they significant adminstrative experience with football in Jamaica.
I am in the U.S. and unable to see how these people operate day to day. However, the majority of JFF delegates seemed to think Boxhill was good enough for the job, and should be given the opportunity because his prior involvement with the Boyz and his experience in having run several parish football administrations. I did not question that judgment, he was simply identified as a viable replacement to Burrell.
At that time, Chisel, you did not add anything worthwile to the conversation. All you said was, "the man is a traffic inspector." You had nothing to add as far as what he was doing as an administrator for these Parish FAs. All you were doing was attempting to pull down a man who was being given an opportunity to get somewhere (Is that what the "crab in a barrel" nonsense means? - please answer, because I would like to know).
What you say now is of little value. This is a forum where people share information and I don't see how you have earned the right to speak now when you failed to speak earlier. So don't speak now that 20-20 is hindsight. Had you pointed to some concrete useful facts other than simply broadstroking a man trying to assume the position, you would have some substance to your argument.
I will tell you, Burrell could not have operated in the U.S. the way he was running the JFF back in 2002/2003, he would have been removed...just as he was in JA. Following your logic there would be no accountability whatsoever. Frankly, I am glad Burrell was kicked out, because I hoped it sent him a message.
I am now looking forward to his return, because the JFF was doing nothing. Frankly, I would have given the lawyer/ambassador/KSAFA guy a shot, because we need let people know it is not Burrell or nothing, which is the only myopic view that you seem to support. Such a preference for the entrenched has always been a hallmark of corruption, inefficiency and often incompetence in virtually all administrations around the world.
With all your so-called insight, you could have at least warned Zee before him go down so go politic.
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WoW...... Close yu eye for one minute and the forum can just blow up pon yu..
Big up Big Mountain. Yu dun know the score. But just in case you have forgotten..
Long b4 you have been gunning for Bora. In fact when the announcement was made about Bora being the next head coach. (Or 2b specific. The new Technical Director) and will be getting 3mil I did lick out against it.
I asked for weeks, why did he leave Honduras and was duly ignored. I said his record dont impress me. And nuff man and I'm sure zilla was one, berated me.
My views regarding Bora are well documented I thought.. But I know on this forum if you dont keep saying your beliefs or maintain consistency pepes will forget your stance.
People. I dont support Bora. I did lick out against Boxhill from time. I was one of the first that drop the name Boxjuice.. Need I say no more.
But mi whosarah nuh support Burrell.. I guess Burrell is in the same class as Seaga for me. Seaga has done some good. But to juggle with the CIA and distable Jamaica. That is unforgivable. Burrell's actions have done more harm to Jamaican football than it has done good.
Yes Chisel. Maybe I am a mad person. But a real person. A lot of person's here question my love for Jamaica. Thats understandable. They have a different memory of Jamaica. They hold differing views of Jamaica. They maybe want or have a different outlook on the future of Jamaica.
Anyone who is a real footballer, never kicks a ball and swears allegiance for a nation. In other words. All yute will be singing, anyhow the vibes nuh right anyhow the ting nuh tight... Mi gawn.. mi gawn. Everyone in Jamaica who plays ball has had a dream of playing in the world cup. Everyone.
And when we cuss a few ites of expecting too much of Jamaica and being unrealistic, please look at ourselves as being a little hypocritical. No guy.. Mi say no guy who is a tru Jamaican and call himself that can tell me say they dont believe Jamaican can run with the best in international football.
We all as Jamaicans think we are better than the rest of the world. Thats why Pelpeapa nuh like wi.
But we have already proved that our enthusiam alone takes us half way there. Those of us with the knowledge have already proven that if our footballers put in the work we can attain greatness.
And we all believe this simply because. We are Jamaicans. We know we can do anything.
Just like the poor people in the ghetto who want to strive to greater heights and will do what they have to to attain as such its the same way the ballers will do what it takes.
I believe Burrell knowing of this instinct, put in place the necessary fundamentals to get the poor players to taste the dream and it is not hard to implement this Chisel. ( All the other Islands and countries around the world are doing it now) There are so many things that can be implemented within Jamaican life to make Jamaica an even more beautiful place. Its the politics that surrounds Jamaica that flops the show.
If certain people nuh want yu fi reach nowhere in Jamaica, they will see to it that it does not happen. ( Yes zilla. This does not equate to the same divisive thing you are running up yu mouth bout. On the forum we talk.)
When it came to Boxhill, Burrell and Stephenson. Certain people saw to it that Jamaica never progressed.
Of course Jamaica was helped by Burrell to accomplish greatness.
But how the hell does one be a genius one moment and help Jamaica and then be a total disaster the next. Either he was a fluke. A buck up or He had an agenda or like Boxhill he copied someones ideas from a forum and then when he got in the hot seat realised he didn't know how to implement the ideas. Pick any of the four conclusions.
My conclusion is that Burrell saw an opportunity to make more monies thru the endeavours of President of the JFF.
We accept such behaviour in Jamaica coz we dont know nuh better.
Accountability, business etiquette do not go hand in hand with conflicts of interest.
Maybe some of us are used to our uncles being our step dads or even proper dad and grandad together so wi nuh fully understand what is meant by conflicts of interest and why U cant simply say a business man has the right to create funds for himself thru a public entity..
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Maybe some of us are used to our uncles being our step dads or even proper dad and grandad together so wi nuh fully understand what is meant by conflicts of interest and why U cant simply say a business man has the right to create funds for himself thru a public entity..
Yu see onelele, I just cannot accept that a business man who has a successful bakery, a grill house and other business pending and is viewed by most as a shrewd business entrepreneur... ( A suh yu spell dah word deh?) takes on a public post namely the Jamaican Football Corporation and supposedly does well at running it but leaves it with a significant debt.
Now the debt might not be that funny, bcoz running football club which in effect is what the JFF is.. Is a costly business.
But what is funny is how the debt owed by the JFF is owed to another business owned by the same person.
Ok. Ok... If you are business minded U will argue that this practice is normal if you think of the situation as two departments of an enterprise.
But seriously, maybe the joke is on us. Maybe we dont realise that JFFinc. is not the same as the JFF. Maybe both entities are parts of one.
And if they are one entity, then how did this happen?? How did we get hoodwinked into losing our football rights and team. Are we entering the World Cup finals with Burrell United (some call it Portmore United) posing as Jamaica's Reggaeboyz.
And if they are separate entities it is no longer considered business etiquette to use your baker shop to loan money to a football club of which both businesses are run by yourself. Just like Warner shouldn't sell WC tickets solely and only from his Travel Agents linking it to hotel fee's. Just as it nuh look good when a Jamaican police stop yu and give yu a ticket then tow away yu car with his wrecker truck..
Cho.. Mi haffi rush to work..
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Jt...I done know your position regarding Bora still. I also respect the fact that you are a man that stand by your position regardless. You definitely don't "Flip - Flop" like some US politicians. In regards to Burrell, I see your point and definitely agree with most of what you are saying. At this point there is very little we can do to change the course of things. He has already been appointed and confirmed to the position. The best we can hope for is that this is a new beginning with many lessons learned.
I am sure Burrell has learned his lessons and is very much aware that he is not invincible. He knows he is being watched carefully this second time around and people expect results. He knows there are people waiting to pounce on him the moment he slips. If Burrell is as smart as I think he is, I don't think he will be going down that road again. At least, not for now.
Well, all we can hope for is better things ahead. Personally, I don't care who is running the ship, as long as the ship has set sail. Right now there is a salvage crew collecting the remains of the previous ship.
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I hope the Parish Associations stop the licky-licky, curry goat, politics wid our football. They themselves also need to get their house in order.
I strongly think that the JFF constituition needs an over haul, ammendment. Mi nuh bisness who inna office, "juice or bread".
We cannot have leagues in the country that is sponsored by the President of the country football. Not knocking the captain but just like how Reid remove himself from Portmore outfit, citing conflict of interest so too should the Captain's Bakery sponsorship.
As far as the new JFF is concern... I hope for the best. Also,expect the fees to the stadium to increase.
Jt if u check the record i did seh that the money (4 mill US) weh bora a get can build couple mini stadia, hire a coach, finish the academy and train some coaches.
A one thing though Jt, u no flip flop, u maintain u position. But hear weh mi a seh, jus enjoy the journey, forward a some a di match dem, buy some bread and drink some red stripe inna di office.
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