what time them need? you have to walk with your suitcase as a coach.
Sasin who ur talking the local coaches or bora?
I think our heap a excuses have to do with low expectations. Everytime bora lose u still going to hear give him more time. My question is how much time is time?
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Zilla I am an equal oppurtunity offender.
It shouldn't take more than six month fi a coach start influencing things whether local or overseas.
The local coaches like CB and Downswell take too much crap from the JFF, they need to set their own agenda and goals. The technical committee is a drag and I am not sure but it may have also influence what Bora is doing. All the coaches seems to be just calling the same amout of players, there is no illimination process and scant calling of the overseas players. We can develop local players and work with overseas players at the same time.
My beef is after 6 months and US$500,000 - We are still where we left off, maybe worst. We could have saved that US$1/2 Million by having a local coach take these guys and play some practice games with US Virgin Islands, St. Vincent, etc., hire Bora in July and give him the tapes of the games so he could watch the players. Afterall, based on what he saying, he is only watching the players.
How much more money, I mean time does he need? Another 6 months and US$.5 Million more? Time is money and we don't have much of both!!
If we talk about youth development - I would rather spend US$500,000 to jump-start a Youth Academy. Work on the U17 and U20 players teaching them the skills necessary to compete at the international level - Laying the foundation for the future. The JFF cries that they don't have the funds to assist in the development of these youths, yet we have US$1-Million to spend on a coach conducting experiment.
Consider this...If Bora leaves today, we would be $500,000 broke and worst than where we started this experiment.
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People are so strange. Obviously, those who cry its a learning curve are doing so b/c they are clinging to Bora's reputation. But for his reputation, we would have unanimous outcry with results like these. The funny thing is that many people feared when we were debating which coach to get, that Bora's reputation was more luck than talent. Suprisingly, some of the naysayers back then are claiming learning curve now. It goes to show that the human mind will always try to make sense of events even when impending disaster appears near. If this is learning, I hope we haven't cut of our nose fi spite we own face.
That said, the main criticism I have of Bora's actions is not merely that we are loosing, but that I see no method to his madness other than some vague notion of selecting amongst a group of youngsters, many of whom were not a part of, or starters for the team. So, this is not a test of the reggae boyz, it is a test of people trying out for the reggae boyz team. All the while, the senior members of the squad are being isolated, tremendous amounts of money are being spent and the reggae boyz brand is being diminished.
I hope that after the grand experiment, the real work can begin.
Whatever happened to Andre Redwood? Don't really see him anymore? You guys realize that in the first world of games he did he was trying out a bunch of players. He saw aor heard about these players and gave them all a run in the first batch of games. I think the last set he has been pretty much using the same set of people.
Now in the recent game in JA he DID mix veterans with the young players he was continuing to try out, and I am sure he will do that again. So those who say he needs to do that he does and will do that.
Fuller, Shelton and Damion Stewart seem to come whenever you call them. The rest of them will not always be there.
You want a sparkling example? Was Bibi not slated to play in the Jamaica-Chile game? I did not see his shirt on the field though.
This happens with our players it seems. Sometimes it seems they don't care about it as much as some players for other national teams. They will play the big matches, but not the minor matches. If we can't expect it from players born and raised in Jamaica, how can you possibly expect it from the UB40's. You need to get real.
Davis? He said "I don't know why I wasn't called." That doesn't mean he would have played if he had been. For some sneaky reason I just have a feeling he would not have. After all, he is big baller now, and he will come for the high profile fixtures, but not for Vietnam. He has a track record that includes drama on the field because was not interested in playing.
Khari will come, I think, but didn't they just restart in Sweden and he just recovered from a long injury layoff.
Euell will come, but, as I said above, I think it is unlikely for him and some of the other UB40's to reach for games such as these.
So what? I think Bora has essentially found the local players he knows he can rely on and he is now playing them. They are the ones on the trip because I strongly doubt the brand name ballers would have made it. There may also be economic concerns involved with the player selections. I have no inside information on this, just speaking based on historical events.
I am not surprised Bora did not take the "brand name" ballers on a trip such as this. Aside from the fact that most probably would have excused themselves anyway, I imagine he did not believe we were going to get dusted out like we did. This underlines just how much we overrate our players sometimes.
I am sure most here were surprised by the results of the first game, and I am willing to wager Bora was as well. So for the fix? You can't just send for the brand name yard ballers and tell them to fly 40 hours across the globe to come join in the middle of a tournament played principally by the C team. They will not do it. Bora going to have to just stick with what he has there and make the players how they react to adversity. I think he knows what we have now, and will operate based on that - one would hope. He will include overseas players when practical, just as he did in the Jamaica Chile game (which we lost). Again, I suspect that Bora had no idea we were going to lose as we have in these games. I suspect many on this forum were quite surprised as well. The team had been playing well in spite of the recent losses, and many who have been to some of the recent games noticed this.
The one game I saw where we looked lost was the Switzerland match - one of the few I have seen recently. We played ok in the Chile game, but I would think you guys were overly optimistic if you thought Luton, Ricardo and whoever else were going to pick up and fly over to Indonesia. Come on.
I don't care if we lose the next two games, as we are dealing with the best local players we have available. You guys talk about loss of confidence by playing all local boys. I understand the argument and I agree with it to a great degree, but consider this: If we did not have the brand name players, many of whom started off just as the local contingent is progressing now, then we would have no choice but to rely on the local players. If I was to accept the confidence destruction argument hook, line and sinker, it would mean I would have to accept that our local players could NEVER learn and could NEVER step up in the face of adversity. I find that hard to believe, because it means that I would have to believe that our people could NEVER succeed, and that is something I refuse to believe.
Those that raise their games under these circumstances and realize that they need to improve will help us in the future. It will show us where the next leader..the next Ian Pepe Goodison. Those whose confidence abandons them but who have shown great potential otherwise will still get their chance to play with with the big ballers.
Wait a few more months before you start losing your heads. We certainly game CB (20 years) and WD (????) more than 6 months before calling for their heads.
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(Regarding the pics posted by Jagga) Pictures never lie. There is the problem right infront of our faces... The Young Boyz not used to playinh on good grass.
If BOra can import some rockstone and some weeds to sprinkle on the field for our upcoming matches, all six-love we would a give Iran.
the sed man dem who bawl say fi run weh CB and WD, tun round a bawl say fi run weh Bora, after a dem request 'foreign coach' and 'foreign baller' wid dem 'foreign mind' !
Some man view cum like a horse and mule when dem use someting fi narrow sight . When does saying that a coach shld not be immune from critic mean seh u saying him fi get fire.
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the sed man dem who bawl say fi run weh CB and WD, tun round a bawl say fi run weh Bora, after a dem request 'foreign coach' and 'foreign baller' wid dem 'foreign mind' !
mek up unnu mind no !!
weh unnu want?
True. Run CB, WD, Bora....
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People are so strange. Obviously, those who cry its a learning curve are doing so b/c they are clinging to Bora's reputation. But for his reputation, we would have unanimous outcry with results like these. The funny thing is that many people feared when we were debating which coach to get, that Bora's reputation was more luck than talent. Suprisingly, some of the naysayers back then are claiming learning curve now. It goes to show that the human mind will always try to make sense of events even when impending disaster appears near. If this is learning, I hope we haven't cut of our nose fi spite we own face.
Impending disaster? You sound like a Republican trying to get people on board. heheheh.
When Lazaroni came around, he claimed he did not know the players. When Bora came in, he said the same thing, so what does he do? He gets to know the players in the country the only way he knows how. Watching them play in practice and in games. That is the only way to do it. I don't know if the ite who suggested using a video was serious (I assume he was not :)), but obviously all a video can do is tell a coach maybe this is someone to consider. It does not really tell if a player is following instructions (because it may not be clear what his instructions were, if he had any at all), and it does tell the story of leadership and confidence. The time Bora takes to watch those videos, he might as well do it live.
I understand he attended NPL matches and I assume he accepted advice from people in determining who to look at. As a result he had a LOT of people to look at and he tried out many in the earlier matches. The number of random new additions has dropped, and I believe we are now seeing a more consistent selection.
Yes, people are certainly relying on his reputation. You say that like it's a bad or abnormal. I thought that was done everywhere and in every sport and discipline when you bring in someone with reported experience. You are relying on their reputation, because you assume they know more than you do. I am sure Bora knows a lot more than most of the keyboard crew here. Some of us just have visceral responses not based on any experience base. If you had that experience base you might be earning $1 million per year someplace.
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the sed man dem who bawl say fi run weh CB and WD, tun round a bawl say fi run weh Bora, after a dem request 'foreign coach' and 'foreign baller' wid dem 'foreign mind' !
mek up unnu mind no !!
weh unnu want?
Heh. heh .. how yu mean. Whats the name of th breda Shatta wanted...
And I wanted Johnny Barnes. Even the ex American coach would of done better.
Trust.. even the likkle wolmer's yute Young, would of done better than Bora.
ddread... blaze it up...
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Nothing wrong with getting rid of coaches that are under-performing regardless of who they are. From what I recalled some good coaches fell along the way...Simoes, Clovis, Lazaroni, CB, WD...and Bora, I will give him another 6 months.
Nah lie Jt...I was more in favor of J.Barnes as TD.
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We are not coaches instead we are fans and critics so we can be excused for all we have said. All Bora have to do is realise our presence and go out and win few matches and all is forgiven but in the meanwhile some of us not following him down a path were we see no ending.
It is simple, for one million we want better than what we are getting now.
Nothing wrong with getting rid of coaches that are under-performing regardless of who they are. From what I recalled some good coaches fell along the way...Simoes, Clovis, Lazaroni, CB, WD...and Bora, I will give him another 6 months.
Nah lie Jt...I was more in favor of J.Barnes as TD.
Six months is more than fair. I would definitely expect to see the concrete steps in the right direction by then.
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Originally Posted By: Yardman
A wonda wha excuse di fassy a guh come wid now, CB woulda get better results wid di same players weh eediat borat select. Borat is a big time looza.
weh CB deh a twiddle him thumbs and suck him finga?
Bredda u outawda how u fi a diss the man so? CB nah do dat. Mi see di man wha day ya. Di big man a coach the garbage man dem fi pick up garbage. So u better know yuh self u zimmie.
