You guys need to relax and stop calling for the man's head, but then again its the typical jamaican mentality, hurry up and fix . Bora knows what he is doing thats why he is the proff.. and you guys are not, the man believes in his tatic , so just relax and watch the ride, some time you have to tear the whole house down to rebuild it. We will be where we suppose to be come the right time. This is what our team needs.
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It is not a Jamaican mentality. There is no team in the world that do not win in 6 or 7 straight games that fans don't start asking some serious questions. Bora need to win a few games, why can't we develop and win a few game at the same time? wining brings confidence and we need fi win.
Nuff a we think the West Indies was improving but after 3 -6 years of rebuilding they are worst than they were in the 1990s.
We need to see signs of improvement, we can't just put blind trust in Bora afterall his last two gigs were not good.
It is not a Jamaican mentality. There is no team in the world that do not win in 6 or 7 straight games that fans don't start asking some serious questions. Bora need to win a few games, why can't we develop and win a few game at the same time? wining brings confidence and we need fi win.
Nuff a we think the West Indies was improving but after 3 -6 years of rebuilding they are worst than they were in the 1990s.
We need to see signs of improvement, we can't just put blind trust in Bora afterall his last two gigs were not good.
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I think you would be right if you were talking about a team with some sort of mechanism for player development in place. We do not have that in Jamaica. All we have is a bunch of part time players who used to playing shift and bruk at half speed, when they are not at their other jobs.
There has to be a way to look at all available players, get them some experience and have an identifiable pool of local players covering each position. These games are perfect for this. I think he will know a great deal more about what he has after these games. Beyond this, I think it would be helpful to incorporate the overseas players, but since he is the one with experience, and not anyone here (hence the reason they didn't ring our respective phones when the position became available), why not let him do his job?
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Morpheous something wrong with the oracle...but Jamaica cool. All of this experiment is necessary as Bora will need a fully cohesive and experienced team to get pass those teams that I saw playing in the Gold Cup. Let him mould his team, everything still criss and curry
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You guys need to relax and stop calling for the man's head, but then again its the typical jamaican mentality, hurry up and fix . Bora knows what he is doing thats why he is the proff.. and you guys are not, the man believes in his tatic , so just relax and watch the ride, some time you have to tear the whole house down to rebuild it. We will be where we suppose to be come the right time. This is what our team needs.
At what point can we start "calling for his head"?
At what point is this "tactic" suppose to turn out some results from us?
I fail to see how a 3-nil loss, preceded by a 2-1 loss, is "what our team needs"....Right now, we need results, or to show signs of improvement, and since the Lunar Cup, I havent seen either....
HANOI, Vietnam - Jamaica's national senior football team surrendered 0-3 to a rampaging Vietnamese outfit here at the My Dinh National Stadium last night.
Led by a first-half strike from Cong Vinh, and two second-half efforts from Duc Duong and substitute Anh Duc, Vietnam gave their supporters hope heading into next month's Asian Football Confederation (AFC) Asian Cup. But before that tournament, the Vietnamese are slated to face Bahrain in their last tune-up on June 30.
Vietnam are co-hosts of the 2007 edition of the AFC Asian Cup, along with Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand. They will contest Group C with defending champions Japan, as well as Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.
Yesterday's defeat was the second in as many games for the Reggae Boyz on their four-nation tour. They were also beaten 1-2 by Indonesia last Thursday, and will head to Kuala Lumpur this afternoon hoping to get their band back on track with a third game on Thursday. Unlike their loss to Indonesia, when they played under adverse conditions, the Boyz had no excuse this time around. They only have themselves to blame, as they displayed a wretched lack of concentration repeatedly.
Paradoxically, technical director Velibor 'Bora' Milutinovic was quite contented at game's end. "I am much happier today than the last game, because I know more (about the players)," he reasoned. "This is so important to make my idea of what we need to do to make a competitive team," added Bora, who refused to elaborate.
The game, played before a sparsely populated Stadium, and with a portrait of the country's great emperor Ho Chi Minh hanging royally from the Grand Stand on the far side, was controlled by the AFC Asian Cup LOC as a test run ahead of the tournament. However, one glaring glitch was the incorrect classification of the accreditation process, which resulted in some match officials and members of the press being denied entry to areas in which they were expected to work. And the initial non-negotiable stance of the security forces did little to solve the problem until the hierarchy of the LOC intervened. Even medical personnel were initially refused entry to the playing area.
As the teams met both presidents of their FAs, they were presented with bouquets which they duly tossed into the crowd, much to the pleasure of the spectators. Five minutes had barely arrived when Mario Harrison booted wide and high from deep inside the penalty area after he collected a flick on from a Fabian Davis left-sided corner.
The Boyz also squandered another point-blank chance a minute later when Wolry Wolfe, who opened his goal-scoring account in the last game, failed to get enough contact to a Demar Phillip cross. Wolfe, only six yards away, side-footed the grounded cross, but the effort lacked the fire power to get it in as goalkeeper Quang Huy got down in time to smother the shot.
The home side, who had not yet been able to get a glance at the Jamaican goalkeeper Allien Whittaker, took advantage of Adrian Reid's bad judgement and the retreating Donald Stewart was forced to commit a foul just outside the penalty area. Vinh stepped up to expertly float the ball over the defensive wall and into the far side of the goal. Fabian Davis then had an inswinging right side corner headed off the line.
But on the half-hour mark, Boys' Town's Xavian Virgo was stretchered off and replaced by Marion Swaby. With Vietnam clearly dominating the midfield in the second half, it was no surprise when they extended the lead. From only their third corner of the game in the 66th minute, Duong had the luxury of controlling a corner kick with his back to goal. He spun and drove a low shot beneath a host of players.
And in time added, the Boyz were caught unawares when the home side used its express pace to open up the Jamaican defence and Anh Duc made no mistake from outside the box. At the final whistle, Vietnam, ranked 142nd on FIFA's Coca-Cola World Ranking, were deserving winners, and it brought home forcibly the reality of exactly where Jamaica's local league is.
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Do you think when our rating reach 100 and stadium empty, nobody want to play the reggaeboys again, it will be positive for our players and federation?
Bora must understand the complexity of the problem he is dealing with. Yes I understand the importance of developing these players but what is wrong with mixing a game or two just to grind out a few victories while developing these players?
Bora can walk away at anytime but JFF Football will face the effects of his tenure if he decide to walk away anytime soon. I am not impress that six month in his tenure he has not look at many of our players in even a practise session. Contrast his tenure to that of the US coach Bradley and has already looked at all his overseas players and many of his MLS players.
If Bora had even initiated a camp with some of the top players I would be fine with that. Now is off season and most players are available so when is he going to ball them when they are not available?
It is not a Jamaican mentality. There is no team in the world that do not win in 6 or 7 straight games that fans don't start asking some serious questions. Bora need to win a few games, why can't we develop and win a few game at the same time? wining brings confidence and we need fi win.
Nuff a we think the West Indies was improving but after 3 -6 years of rebuilding they are worst than they were in the 1990s.
We need to see signs of improvement, we can't just put blind trust in Bora afterall his last two gigs were not good.
Could not have said it better! Spot on!
Getting experience does not mean getting Arse whipping at every stage of the game. In order for experience to be effective, there has to be at least some positive between the negatives. The genius that we perceived Bora to be - even if we are not winning, there should be some signs of improvement at every stage of the process. From game to game there is no evidence of improvement from what I am seeing. The only improvement I see is in the scoreline from a Jet-lagged 2-1 to a well rested 3-0.
I think most of us here support youth development and exposure. And, I personally commend him on that. However, he needs to stop experimenting and start coaching!
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I think many of us are just reacting rather than looking ahead. You learn from experience. Go through the assessments now rather than in qualifiers.
Relax people. It is not yet time to go nuts. All this talk about ranking and contracts also reflects tunnel vision on part of some of the ites.
i would have to agree with you. i know these are the results that you don't want for your beloved country but it's not the time to call for his head, yet. let him figure out who he wants to use in his scheme, as frustrating as that is. if he messes up in the next tourney (not sure what it would be for you all) then fire him asap.
Why is it when Downswell lost games, to far better teams, he was an idiot that had to go and now we have a farrin coach all of a sudden "genius" is when we lose a string of games to third tier teams?
For all the talk about patience, one thing Simoes NEVER did was to bring the St. Catherine 11 pon world tour. Play them at prison oval and and you can see what they are made of, after you know what they are made of THEN you carry them across the world. You can see rucks even in a scrimmage game with rockstone fi goals. Patience? a joke ting.
Qualifying will not be about who fi buss next! It will be about how well Fuller plays with Shelton and how Euell serves them both. How Davis works with Daley and Stew peas etc. The CORE needs time to gell too. If you want to see the St. Catherine 11 let them play against the core why take them on world tour? Why take the Washington generals on tour when you need to develop the globetrotters?
WHAT DO YOU LEARN WHEN YOU PUT 11 RUCKS ON A FIELD AND THEY GET BEAT? You learn that 11 rucks will get beat! but a big time coach should know that already. If you want to develop or try out a player you put him in an otherwise solid team and see if he carries his weight and you can monitor him without much concerns. When you drop 11 rucks in at the same time, with all the hemorrhage and the bloodletting, who has time fi monitor the left winger or the striker? ALL you have time to see then is kinks in the keeper, disgust with the defense, mindless midfield and failing forwards.
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Why is it when Downswell lost games, to far better teams, he was an idiot that had to go and now we have a farrin coach all of a sudden "genius" is when we lose a string of games to third tier teams?
For all the talk about patience, one thing Simoes NEVER did was to bring the St. Catherine 11 pon world tour. Play them at prison oval and and you can see what they are made of, after you know what they are made of THEN you carry them across the world. You can see rucks even in a scrimmage game with rockstone fi goals. Patience? a joke ting.
Qualifying will not be about who fi buss next! It will be about how well Fuller plays with Shelton and how Euell serves them both. How Davis works with Daley and Stew peas etc. The CORE needs time to gell too. If you want to see the St. Catherine 11 let them play against the core why take them on world tour? Why take the Washington generals on tour when you need to develop the globetrotters?
WHAT DO YOU LEARN WHEN YOU PUT 11 RUCKS ON A FIELD AND THEY GET BEAT? You learn that 11 rucks will get beat! but a big time coach should know that already. If you want to develop or try out a player you put him in an otherwise solid team and see if he carries his weight and you can monitor him without much concerns. When you drop 11 rucks in at the same time, with all the hemorrhage and the bloodletting, who has time fi monitor the left winger or the striker? ALL you have time to see then is kinks in the keeper, disgust with the defense, mindless midfield and failing forwards.
A JOKE TING MI SEH!
Dread u no seet seh the world is prison oval fi bora U no seet seh some man even with dem travels still mentally enslaved. Mek a did WMD (weapon of mass destruction) or CB chicken, even JB loose so much games, den u wld a hear. Farin white coach, he is a genius. Him just mashing down the house to fix it back up. Some man a claffy, lol
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I wonda if it was a local coach getting these beatings some man would ah tek it so easy? Is it a case of u know mental.....slavery. A weh shatta deh
You dun know sey dem would have chop off the local coach head. However, the experience and exposure being gained by the C team is invaluable and should pay dividends. We still need to give him more time to work his plan (something we refuse to give local coaches).
I wonda if it was a local coach getting these beatings some man would ah tek it so easy? Is it a case of u know mental.....slavery. A weh shatta deh
You dun know sey dem would have chop off the local coach head. However, the experience and exposure being gained by the C team is invaluable and should pay dividends. We still need to give him more time to work his plan (something we refuse to give local coaches).
Yeah i agree, give him more time. Its sad though that local coaches cant get that opportunity call time. It really pains me to say that, cause everybody know seh mi no rate WMD, but the truth is the truth
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what time them need? you have to walk with your suitcase as a coach.
Them need to take the job ready and make changes and implement things. The local coaches are influenced too much by the incompetent JFF. A coach must take the job and get his own staff and and work. In the space of six months you must see a difference.
Too much excuses will get us nowhere. Downswell had a big problem defensively and instead of seeking help for it he continue to doing the same thing and expected different results.
Blessed are those that buck the system, they make our lives better.
U no seet seh some man even with dem travels still mentally enslaved. Mek a did WMD (weapon of mass destruction) or CB chicken, even JB loose so much games, den u wld a hear. Farin white coach, he is a genius. Him just mashing down the house to fix it back up. Some man a claffy, lol
