These coaches aren't being paid (not to mention the players). How do you force them to expend the time necessary to achieve all these fancy improvements.
No disrespect to you personally but everytime I read these commentaries about the lack of basic skills in local coaches and players, I realize how far removed from reality the average ReggaeBoyz fan is. Football in Jamaica is remarkably advanced given the amateur infrastructure in which it operates. I am more concered about the seeming regression in the one-on-one skills that used to take us over the hump. Apart from Swaby and Shelton, these players seem incapable of consistently dismissing their opponent. It was even more glaring in the recent Red Stripe KO telecasts. So now we have a subpar tactical product being compounded by deteriorating technical skills.
On another note, Shelton has been playing like he did last night for a long time, just ask DC United and Guatemala. Revisionist historians like to create storylines to fit their agenda.
BTW! How many left-sided defenders/midfielders have been the second coming of Bibi. By my count, Swaby is the fourth after Scarlett, Garfield Reid and Demar Phillips.
Jah J I cannot agree more; what we could not match in strength and power of an opposing team we delivered to them craftiness and ball handling wizardry -ala Whitmore, Andy Williams, R. Fuller. JJ. Sadly Bora has not employed none yet, and I know they are there.
Jah J talking about these gifted players in our local leauges; I remember a few years ago playing scrimmage, I do not recollect the name of this yute, but he had wizardry to kill. I said this yute should deh a broad....I still can't forget him.
Let's say it loud Jah J midfield play especially attacking midfield play requires gifted players. It's very difficult to try and groom a player for that position if the gift is not in him.
Talking about Dos santos the Brazilian/Mexican; upon seeing that yute no coach had much to do with his abilty except mentoring him; that is pure gift
HI, I hear you but u sure you didn't say the same thing pre-2002? So if it's still the same issue 5+ years later, why bother, if we don't plan to change? Again, you comparing with EPL. I'm saying compare with Ghana and all the other poor Black countries that player for player keep producing better, more technically sound players. What are they doing with the little they have that we could be doing? Still I feel we can do much better.
e.g. If we talk about weight training, and the big fancy clubs have gym then we improvise, carry coconut, lift barrell, do what we need to.
e.g. Assasin always talk bout the benefits of ground provisions and Shatta no stop tell wi how wi fi go back to Mother Earth. So we no have nobody at UWI that can work up in the lab what can sub for Gatorade, maybe coconut wata, how about protein, carbs, etc.
U get me. Look man, we always big up Asafa and dem dat stay at home, so why we can't get the same for our players.
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HI, who are these crafty local players that Bora has not yet employed? Are they better than those that played against Panama and Switzerland?
I am wondering whether it's the case that we see a youth have a good game or two against peers who, due to lack of professional exposure, are notorious for ball watching, poor passing, dreadful shooting, poor control, poor positioning and poor tactical awareness, and conclude that these players are being inexplicably overlooked.
Not saying there aren't some young bucks out there with some potential, but I suspect most of the young players on the field yesterday were there because it was determined that they were among the best available.
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We talk about the size of our players. But a one thing I dont understand, The track man dem much bigga than our ballas and yet dem get a smaller allocation per year. This again points to someting else thats lacking amongst our ballas. Maybe its pride and discipline. A track man will continue to do repetitive things until him get it right, a balla just want to kick ball without grasping the basics. Is the track athletes multi millionaire with first class facilities at their disposal?
We can do betta wid what we have. Wait deh dis look like a something weh can go pan badras thread.
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HI, I hear you but u sure you didn't say the same thing pre-2002? So if it's still the same issue 5+ years later, why bother, if we don't plan to change? Again, you comparing with EPL. I'm saying compare with Ghana and all the other poor Black countries that player for player keep producing better, more technically sound players. What are they doing with the little they have that we could be doing? Still I feel we can do much better.
e.g. If we talk about weight training, and the big fancy clubs have gym then we improvise, carry coconut, lift barrell, do what we need to.
e.g. Assasin always talk bout the benefits of ground provisions and Shatta no stop tell wi how wi fi go back to Mother Earth. So we no have nobody at UWI that can work up in the lab what can sub for Gatorade, maybe coconut wata, how about protein, carbs, etc.
U get me. Look man, we always big up Asafa and dem dat stay at home, so why we can't get the same for our players.
P do some research for us kno and try and find about their leagues, because I too am shock at the level of ball these african teams play and some of these countries are supposedly poor.
I think what has hurt us and Jah J alluded to it, the fact that quite a number of our top locals has migrated here playing in local leagues.
Migration is a problem; what can't be kept together will be lost.
Migration is a problem; what can't be kept together will be lost.
Can't say I've heard this one before... Migration is the reason why we look the way we looked playing Panama?
Ahem... I know that Brazil is not to be used as an example but you are aware of how dirt poor some of these players are but still extremely skilllllfullll. So somebody teaching them something in the barrios (mostly pon concrete to boot!) that we not learning in the dustbowls.
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The players he is selecting are all based on media hype and what they do for their clubs..
Now one plays that system of kick and run or blast it upfield and hope the striker get it...
The team needs players who are comfortable with the ball. Players that can hold and keep the ball. Players that have already decided what they are going to do with the ball b4 they get it so if the play breaks down they can switch.
And with one goal after four outings.. Bwoy...
It look steep for England.. They need to... hold on.. We talking bout England or Jamaica??
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So Jermaine Hue. Is he not supposed to be in Jamaica?? Wasn't Bora impressed or didn't he try out??
All this talk about nutrition...
When I was at school, every lunch time whilst we waxed off the likkle bun and cheese or cornbread and patty if yu could afford that the school team was treated to box food...
Someone back then realised nutrition was a fundamental part of development.
Nobody wants to plant the corn. That includes the players. With the least amount of effort everyone wants to reap the most.
Is this not a cultural thing??
Sound man cant buy eediot tune and guh a sound clash.
Asafa cant turn up fi run wid him trainers and a pack of glucose.
Lets just face it.. The most successful Jamaicans do that little bit more.
Players are now seeing contracts amidst the horizons.. TV has just been introduced to Jamaican football. They may have not all played but majority have been involved in an international setting or heard or seen. What else does one have to see b4 a man realise, let me prepare myself or seek help. No wonder Boxhill and Burrel tek dem fi fool.
Of course its going to be hard... But if yu waan good... But let me also say until Bora opened the door, there was never the incentive. A man must a tink whats the use mi a kill up miself when the coach dem just pick dem brethrens.. Asafa did know say nuh guy cant stop him except himself......
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I noticed how everyone has kept quiet on the performances of the two teams we just played. This Panama team was just thrashed by Haiti 3-0 and the Swiss get a beating from Colombia 3-1. This tells us where we are now!
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The players can do a lot more. I go training (bush league) and all the man dem want to do is play ball and they have so much flaws and they are not willin to work on them. On match days they mek the same mistakes over and over again and they can do better but just not willin to put out the effort.
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I noticed how everyone has kept quiet on the performances of the two teams we just played. This Panama team was just thrashed by Haiti 3-0 and the Swiss get a beating from Colombia 3-1. This tells us where we are now!
Damn!! I guess haiti have some academies dem hiding. Maybe a we just a always try find excuses when we can do better.
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Some se a dis a di problem, another say is dat. Some se fi find di best team wi have go ova deso. Some se no man, wi haffi go round deso. Some go which round deso, wi haffi go unda deso. Some se wi use too much trickery, so wi run go a england go find some man whe can't break down the defense, and hardly take any players on. The only ability they have is to pass the ball and run into place or kick a longball. We make excuses calling them holding midfielders. Now we don't see anyone breaking down the defense and we still complaining. We have one that look really good and we start complain about him(Jermaine Hue). We have luton Shelton that tried out for a team that was impressed by him but couldn't get a work permit. The man went to sweden an done di place. A english premier team saw him and paid $1.7 million pounds for him. Here we are questioning whether or not he is the right weight.(If di man is scoring goals f@#$ is weight)Luckily there are people in the world that think more of us than we do ourselves. After you all convince everyone that we aint worth shit and our players can't get any contracts, what will we be saying then. Brazil is known for trickery but I've seen some boring football watching the brazilian league. These games are for assessment purposes, we are looking at players that never really got a chance. Everyone knows that we didn't have our overseas players on the field. So why are we getting all emotional like we don't have the ability to see the bigger picture. We have good players but we are lacking urgency and the killer instinct.
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I have full confidence in the individual players but it is when they come together as team is where some fans are disappointed.
Many Reggaeboyz look like superstars at their individual clubs but normal when playing together for the Reggaeboyz. It is team chemistry and cohesion that we must build.
So if it's still the same issue 5+ years later, why bother, if we don't plan to change? Again, you comparing with EPL. I'm saying compare with Ghana and all the other poor Black countries that player for player keep producing better, more technically sound players. What are they doing with the little they have that we could be doing? Still I feel we can do much better.
