I naw seh a ting..Princess...mek dem gwaan find excuses....look how long mi hear dem a talk bout nutritonal programs...Look pon Asafa....Why wi football caan get the same attention fi build the ballas frame.....I si a picture in di papa di ada day..some Haitians practicing...look stronger than all the players we have.....Mark my work...if we continue at this rate...we will be behind Haiti, and Cuba for sure...you can start saying goodbye to 2010
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These coaches aren't being paid (not to mention the players). How do you force them to expend the time necessary to achieve all these fancy improvements.
No disrespect to you personally but everytime I read these commentaries about the lack of basic skills in local coaches and players, I realize how far removed from reality the average ReggaeBoyz fan is. Football in Jamaica is remarkably advanced given the amateur infrastructure in which it operates. I am more concered about the seeming regression in the one-on-one skills that used to take us over the hump. Apart from Swaby and Shelton, these players seem incapable of consistently dismissing their opponent. It was even more glaring in the recent Red Stripe KO telecasts. So now we have a subpar tactical product being compounded by deteriorating technical skills.
On another note, Shelton has been playing like he did last night for a long time, just ask DC United and Guatemala. Revisionist historians like to create storylines to fit their agenda.
BTW! How many left-sided defenders/midfielders have been the second coming of Bibi. By my count, Swaby is the fourth after Scarlett, Garfield Reid and Demar Phillips.
Coaches or their clubs need to pay for their coursework and training, not the JFF. JFF should provide the schedule, instructors and facilities.
Clubs are finding it quite difficult to saty alive. Mayme then it should be a collaborative effort. We dont have the facilities (and personnel) available here and its is costly to implement in the short run. Therefore it should be overseas for now. The JFF will benefit fom better players at all level so they should pay also (there is no free lunch).
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These coaches aren't being paid (not to mention the players). How do you force them to expend the time necessary to achieve all these fancy improvements.
No disrespect to you personally but everytime I read these commentaries about the lack of basic skills in local coaches and players, I realize how far removed from reality the average ReggaeBoyz fan is. Football in Jamaica is remarkably advanced given the amateur infrastructure in which it operates. I am more concered about the seeming regression in the one-on-one skills that used to take us over the hump. Apart from Swaby and Shelton, these players seem incapable of consistently dismissing their opponent. It was even more glaring in the recent Red Stripe KO telecasts. So now we have a subpar tactical product being compounded by deteriorating technical skills.
On another note, Shelton has been playing like he did last night for a long time, just ask DC United and Guatemala. Revisionist historians like to create storylines to fit their agenda.
BTW! How many left-sided defenders/midfielders have been the second coming of Bibi. By my count, Swaby is the fourth after Scarlett, Garfield Reid and Demar Phillips.
Point taken but even with the human and physical capital available to us (or lack thereof) we are not fully utilising same. There are a lot of other countries that are below us in terms of capital and are able to play better football.
People got to realise that the only way money will come into the game locally is thru good attractive football. Nothing was wrong with the HVFC pitch but something was definitely wrong with the players. I see better football in some central american and african countries on worst pitches. How many club officials and players said to themselves this match is going to be on FSC and viewed by millions therefore we need to put out best foot forward so that we can make a good first impression. Fine u not geeting much money. What do u do, sttle in this lethargic swamp or u go out there and mek ur football do the talking. When u play good football then people will take interest to the league and then the money will come in. Im certain players in the past played on worst fields, were not being paid and played much better football and if they had the exposure that these players are getting we would be far by now.
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I thought Luton look more muscular and stronger than 2005/2006. He was able to play better with his back to goal and hold the ball.
Are the top 15 senior national team players playing in the NPL making a livable salary?
No they dont. Most jobs in Jamaica dont pay a liveable (although that term is relative) salary but they still take pride in their work, a lot of fooballers need to do the same. A lot of persons are working at our minimum wage which is $3200.00 (47 USD)per week and they do more than their best for themselves and for the future of their profession. The coach of wadadah made a statement about basically the lack of pride our players put in their products.
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Originally Posted By: zilla
Originally Posted By: jamatl
Jahjesty,
I thought Luton look more muscular and stronger than 2005/2006. He was able to play better with his back to goal and hold the ball.
Are the top 15 senior national team players playing in the NPL making a livable salary?
No they dont. Most jobs in Jamaica dont pay a liveable (although that term is relative) salary but they still take pride in their work, a lot of fooballers need to do the same. A lot of persons are working at our minimum wage which is $3200.00 (47 USD)per week and they do more than their best for themselves and for the future of their profession. The coach of wadadah made a statement about basically the lack of pride our players put in their products.
Most employees aren't representing the nation on television either. Also, most jobs generally don't involve the type of physical preparation and nutrition that pro-level sports demand.
Jamatl: the top 15 players in the NPL aren't even in Jamaica anymore. They are sprinkled all over the US trying to make a living. You should know as I am sure there has to be one in your local league.
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I thought the game served to highlight the positives and negatives that Bora now sees so he can deal with them as he attempts to build a squad to challenge for a WC berth.
I agree with Big Mountain that this is Bora's biggest ever assignment in his coaching career. Bora must believe he can get JA to the WC so he took the position.
Is this job beyond Bora's ability?
He is being asked to build a team from its foundation to reach the WC, which he has never done in his career. His other teams were more advanced than this Jamaican team: USA, Mexico, China, Nigeria, and Costa Rica.
I believe Jamaica is OK for now with their strikers with Shelton and Fuller.
The midfield still needs to be developed so they can support the strikers, provide service to the strikers, and stop attacks from moving through the midfield.
The defense is still not optimal. Marking opponents in the area needs to be instilled, as several times when Panama did get into the defensive area the Jamaican defense looked out of shape. The defense did stop some of Panama's attacks, however.
Bora has less than one year to find at least 18 players he will use for the WC qualifiers. More friendlies against tougher opponents should be arranged to expose the weaknesses so they can be addressed.
We are still rebuilding and Bora should be given a bit more time, its apparent after watching FSC Jamaica that we should work on Fundamentals. Its sad to see grown men not able to control the ball much less make good passes in the middle. We are showing an inferior product on display to the world.
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We are still rebuilding and Bora should be given a bit more time, its apparent after watching FSC Jamaica that we should work on Fundamentals. Its sad to see grown men not able to control the ball much less make good passes in the middle. We are showing an inferior product on display to the world.
The only problem here is that there is not much time. Qualifications starts next year, which means he has less than a year to get it together.
There is just too much talk and no action coming from the people in charge. We talk about nutrition, fitness, tactical skills, mental toughness, etc. There has not been any improvement since 1998.
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Sista P the local coaches are serious lacking in the technical department. ...JFF needs to address this problem, ... The JFF needs to make it mandatory that coaches get a particular training b4 dem coach at the NPL level, not just some one week courses but an intense program overseas (and they must foot the bill, as this is in tandem with long term development).
Z, this is what I remember from talking to the JFF, reading the forum and talking to the NPL coaches.
a) You need certain level certification to coach NPL and even Schoolboy football
b) There are courses and continuing education classes that are done periodically
c) Some coaches come to America for training, etc.
My issue is, the areas of opportunity (dat okay?) have been the same areas of opportunity from we start meet pon dis enz. My question is, why? What have we NOT done in the past, say 10 years -- no need to go back as far as when Shaggy was playing inter-form at Campion -- that causes us to play Panama like that in 2007? What can we do to show improvement (haven't the African countries improved, haven't the other islands shown major improvement?) since 1998?
Just asking...
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These coaches aren't being paid (not to mention the players). How do you force them to expend the time necessary to achieve all these fancy improvements.
No disrespect to you personally but everytime I read these commentaries about the lack of basic skills in local coaches and players, I realize how far removed from reality the average ReggaeBoyz fan is. Football in Jamaica is remarkably advanced given the amateur infrastructure in which it operates. I am more concered about the seeming regression in the one-on-one skills that used to take us over the hump. Apart from Swaby and Shelton, these players seem incapable of consistently dismissing their opponent. It was even more glaring in the recent Red Stripe KO telecasts. So now we have a subpar tactical product being compounded by deteriorating technical skills.
On another note, Shelton has been playing like he did last night for a long time, just ask DC United and Guatemala. Revisionist historians like to create storylines to fit their agenda.
BTW! How many left-sided defenders/midfielders have been the second coming of Bibi. By my count, Swaby is the fourth after Scarlett, Garfield Reid and Demar Phillips.
Point taken but even with the human and physical capital available to us (or lack thereof) we are not fully utilising same. There are a lot of other countries that are below us in terms of capital and are able to play better football.
People got to realise that the only way money will come into the game locally is thru good attractive football. Nothing was wrong with the HVFC pitch but something was definitely wrong with the players. I see better football in some central american and african countries on worst pitches. How many club officials and players said to themselves this match is going to be on FSC and viewed by millions therefore we need to put out best foot forward so that we can make a good first impression. Fine u not geeting much money. What do u do, sttle in this lethargic swamp or u go out there and mek ur football do the talking. When u play good football then people will take interest to the league and then the money will come in. Im certain players in the past played on worst fields, were not being paid and played much better football and if they had the exposure that these players are getting we would be far by now.
Z, if you need shelter, I have room in my cave. Rockstone and slingshot cyaan lick u in here!
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originally posted by P Are you telling me that we will never have local players receiving the training and conditioning that our overseas players get? What happens when a player returns home? Does he tell the club what him learn a farin? What of the coaching classes? Or is it a matter of equipment (weight training, etc.)? Arnett boasted of having a world class facility with equipment. That wasn't true? I can't believe that after all these years with so many players all over the world this is still a problem.
Remember P that in the top leagues everything is at a higher level. First of all football is their job, morning till evening. All the teams trains and plays at this level -can't say that about the npl. Even some of our own over there in the EPL says how the intensity level is so much greater; and in addition there is no let down game after game in intensity level and the quality of competition. This make any player stronger, quicker, tougher mentally, very aware, hence better decision making on the pitch, and is able match the intensity level of top 20 teams.
When you train and play like this day in day out and face a team like Jamrock that does not train nor play at such level of intensity and mental focus it's easy for top opposing teams to recognise it. Any top team recognises this knows that they already have that game won.
Just keeping pace alone becomes a big problem and that was Jamaica's problem with the Swiss. We gave up two goals in 10 minutes and the Swiss took their foot off the pedal; they didn't want to embarass us.
I must admit that a few of our players like Shelton, Stephenson, Daley, Claude Davis, did not take long to adopt to this level in the Epl. That is why these are special players.
The only one I have seen so far in Bora's group of players is no. 8 MARIO SWABY; he's special and he's growing in confidence, game after game. He's our most versatile player right now locally.
-- that causes us to play Panama like that in 2007? What can we do to show improvement (haven't the African countries improved, haven't the other islands shown major improvement?) since 1998?
