the team held its shape well and I know bora really focussing on the positional structure of the defense soh i will him be to tinker with the midfield later. Many passes from defense were bypassing the midfield to to the flanks. in this game it was not really a bad thing. but against another team who knows.
After the 2 Redstrpe games mi sey over the weekend, i have no hopes in dem yard talents....right now. They need constand tuning by Bora and his charges
Better you say it than me. Prince seh him cyan waste time fi watch dis as him just done see the Brazil vs Chile game. Mi tell him jus' keep hope alive as Panama not playing that well either. I was really expecting a lot more. I hate to say it but we need the UB...
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No midfield play, I could see Bora working on the defense to get them comfortable with the ball at their feet but still too much back passes and it seems certain players don't even think about going forward its like dem make up dem mind to turn it back when dem get it.
Converting speedy players to the flanks like Swaby takes time and he will learn by making mistakes and getting playing time. I can see where Bora is going with that. Swaby needs to work on his defensive game and I see him getting a contract soon if he works hard.
Too many players seem to want to relinquish that offensive role and say here you take it, too much long ball out of the back when the player could have easily advanced the ball forward and pull the opposing defender off the forwards.
I have to keep reminding myself that these guys are mostly NPL players so this is a big step up for them but I can see the commitment. It will take time for them to adjust to the higher level of ball but with work and a midfield general this team will gell. Add one player here and another there and the team will take shape, they just have to keep playing.
Nothing MAJOR to write home about as most of the players haven't had time to really know each other as yet but in due course they will and the leather will start flowing more smoothly.
I can see Bora is building from the back and jah know we needed a defense.
Boxhill just get them the games and some camps overseas and let the building process continue.
Lots of nervousness playing their before a big crowd in Stadium as you can tell most of these players don't want to make a mistake and so I can understand why Bora is sticking with them as its important that they build their confidence.
A lot of them look a little tenative but after a few months and a few veterans around them they will get in the flow. Good move by Bibi and Shelton to lead from the front and lead by example.
Would have loved Bibi to have gotten a goal to boost his confidence but glad to have him on the team and Shelton oh love the work rate as most of these players must be saying damn is this the same guy that was playing with us just over a year ago?
If he can do then so can I. The man look like the consumate professional already. Talk about soaking up teachings like a sponge and man a talk bout how Jamaican ballers dunce. He has sat at the feet of Henrik Larsson's and learnt a lot. I can't wait to see what Sean Fraser has learnt from Romario.
What a smart intelligent bunch of people us Jamaicans are.(wait till Downswell take it to dem at Reno next year)
Positive thinking, positive thoughts Mama Africa here we come. The vibes slowly a build. World must get back to the overseas players that dem better come with dem A game all the time as Shelton really set the bar high.
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The pace of the game was blistering at times. But we need to develop a sharper midfielder. Fabian Taylor should be playing at a higher level than the NPL.
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Same old same old crap, left back ah ball watch winger clear goalie stay pon di line ergo goal. They must have made at 150 passes in the back and sometimes not good ones either. They looked like they had no purpose and no intention to try to score. They also seemed content on just knocking the ball around with no real purpose. They try to do the quick restart when they themselves are ready. The control is better but the team is made up of forward and defense no midfield. I am not impressed. They need alot of work.
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Originally Posted By: Shatta_Cleve
No midfield play, I could see Bora working on the defense to get them comfortable with the ball at their feet but still too much back passes and it seems certain players don't even think about going forward its like dem make up dem mind to turn it back when dem get it.
Converting speedy players to the flanks like Swaby takes time and he will learn by making mistakes and getting playing time. I can see where Bora is going with that. Swaby needs to work on his defensive game and I see him getting a contract soon if he works hard.
Too many players seem to want to relinquish that offensive role and say here you take it, too much long ball out of the back when the player could have easily advanced the ball forward and pull the opposing defender off the forwards.
I have to keep reminding myself that these guys are mostly NPL players so this is a big step up for them but I can see the commitment. It will take time for them to adjust to the higher level of ball but with work and a midfield general this team will gell. Add one player here and another there and the team will take shape, they just have to keep playing.
Nothing MAJOR to write home about as most of the players haven't had time to really know each other as yet but in due course they will and the leather will start flowing more smoothly.
I can see Bora is building from the back and jah know we needed a defense.
Boxhill just get them the games and some camps overseas and let the building process continue.
Lots of nervousness playing their before a big crowd in Stadium as you can tell most of these players don't want to make a mistake and so I can understand why Bora is sticking with them as its important that they build their confidence.
A lot of them look a little tenative but after a few months and a few veterans around them they will get in the flow. Good move by Bibi and Shelton to lead from the front and lead by example.
Would have loved Bibi to have gotten a goal to boost his confidence but glad to have him on the team and Shelton oh love the work rate as most of these players must be saying damn is this the same guy that was playing with us just over a year ago?
If he can do then so can I. The man look like the consumate professional already. Talk about soaking up teachings like a sponge and man a talk bout how Jamaican ballers dunce. He has sat at the feet of Henrik Larsson's and learnt a lot. I can't wait to see what Sean Fraser has learnt from Romario.
What a smart intelligent bunch of people us Jamaicans are.(wait till Downswell take it to dem at Reno next year)
Positive thinking, positive thoughts Mama Africa here we come. The vibes slowly a build. World must get back to the overseas players that dem better come with dem A game all the time as Shelton really set the bar high.
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I'm not paying too much attention to this match except to gauge it against the match we played with the Swiss.
For rebuilding team there is nothing better than to play a team better than you where you can see the weakness more clearly, and the Swiss game has done that for us.
In the Interim we know now that we can't compete with a top 20 team in any meaningful effective way without half the team made up of foreign base players.
The reason being is that the local base players are not expose to the type of training and conditioning of a top twenty team, that quite a number of our overseas players are expose to.
During the swiss game when we had the ball they expose the fact that they could cover our players, cover passing lanes more quicker than our players could make a decision. Sometimes our players looses the ball even before they could figure out what to do with it.
The higher level of ball the Swiss are accustomed to increases the pressure on our players to do things that they are not accustom to.
This is why the game against Panama was so easy for us because Panama does not play at a high level as the Swiss. Therefore the Panama game is not a good measure of where we are.
Can we play at a level of the top twenty teams? At this point not without our overseas players making up at least half of the starting team.
In the long term The local select team can play at that level if the training supersedes the NPL, as well their nutritional and medical attention be on par with these other top teams.
Well, everyone knows our weaknesses. Your best chance of beating us, is to score within the first 15 minutes of every game. That's when we are the most confused and gittery.
Bora needs to go back to the drawing board. He need to bring back our senior team with overseas based players and then gradually work in these youngsters.
I may take heat for this...but Bora is not known for building team from scratch. Most of the teams he took to the world cup were already strong teams with good talents. Well, maybe except for China.
He can build this team but with the local talents we have now, he will need more than 3 years.
Edited by Big Mountain (03/27/0705:46 AM)
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Overall a decent showing by the Reggaeboyz. Been saying from 19 how long the importance of MAXIMUM concentration in the first and last five minutes of each half.
Panama scored in the first 3 minutes, and we scored in the last.
Against the Swiss, they also scored early in the game. We need to address that NOW ! It’s been going on too long.
There are more positives to take from this game than negatives.
The team looked ‘fluid’ in spurts; with more practice we should only get better.
Midfield was more concerned with ‘possession’ than attacking passes. Not a bad trait, just need to take more ‘risks’ at times. Maybe Jerry Hue would have provided that attacking ‘flair’ that was missing. Midfield was more defensive than I would have liked.
Defense was decent; except for the lapse that caused the goal. Good distribution from the central defenders. The # 5 was quite calm on the ball and his distribution was good. We won 80% of the aerial battles in the defensive third; another positive. Wings backs were skillful and fast, but need to learn WHEN to overlap.
Luton looks good, but if he continues to take KICKS he won’t last in the top flight. He took too many kicks from the defenders. Need to learn to check to it, knock it back and use speed for the return pass into space. Use skill only when is one on one, and not try to beat too many players. He’s ready for prime time.
Quite obvious to me also that PANAMA was playing like their lives depended on the result. We are DEFINITELY a better team just that they seemed to want it a little more at first until we started to settle. Panama also used a lot of BRUTE FORCE.
We were quite composed and looked good.
Overall a decent display with room for improvement.
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Well it was great seeing Bibi and Luton lastnight, even though bibi got off slow, one must remember that bibi is not used to going forward as he plays left back for the bolton wanderers. Luton looked very good through out (we can see the E.P.L training paying off....loved the work rate), but he needed more support, there was no midfield play at all majority of the possession was on the flanks and the Defence (Bora seems to be doing some tremendous work around there)
Mario Swaby looks solid, Donald Stewart was nervous from the start untill is departure, never quite got off, Lovel palmer could have played better held on to the ball too long, field vision is lacking.
Overall the team was a lil bit below par but a good effort considering thaty most of these guys are not used to each other (that's such a lie most of them play for my team Harbour view lol) and for most of them this is the first big test, even bibi had to prove is game, what they need to do now is build the team around luton shelton, he was a cut above the rest, man of the match for me
Damn those harbour view player....I'm loving it lol
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The reason being is that the local base players are not expose to the type of training and conditioning of a top twenty team, that quite a number of our overseas players are expose to.
Are you telling me that we will never have local players receiving the training and conditioning that our overseas players get? What happens when a player returns home? Does he tell the club what him learn a farin? What of the coaching classes? Or is it a matter of equipment (weight training, etc.)? Arnett boasted of having a world class facility with equipment. That wasn't true? I can't believe that after all these years with so many players all over the world this is still a problem.
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There is some light at the end of the tunnel. This is the first time in a long time that the team did look somewhat organized. I like tha the defenders were trying to knock aound the ball keeping it at their feet..the only problem is that they were knocking it around to themselves instead of the midfielders. None the less im very optimistic that they will get themselves together, you can tell that they are a confident bunch. It seems like Bora is getting to these players and they are listening.
Few things that I didnt like about the game, was the quick starts that JA was trying to do, most of the times the players werent ready. When they get more experience then that can try these cheeky strategies. There was one opportunity we had that was squandered..remember that shot Shelton took that went over the bar? Fabian Taylor was at the top of the 18 unmarked and onside..if Shelton had passed that to him that would have been a chance to get on the board.
When is the next friendly? I think for the next friendly we should bring in Davis to anchor the back line, Jamal Royce Campbell, let Mario Swaby play left midfield and leave Bibi where he played yesterday just to roam the midfield, even though he was absent at times ( I think he was just taking it easy..when it matters he will go all out) I really like how the team is shaping up ..I have a good feeling about them
By the way, I think we will be hearing things about Mario Swaby soon, he was one bright spark for teh team, except for his defensive lapse that caused the goal, but he will learn. After all thats not his natural position.
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Bora is building the team from the back first. The major problem with our defenders is that they always used to kick the ball to the moon when it was not neccesary. We lack quality depth in the back , which were Bora has less than a year to build solid defenders.
Sista P the local coaches are serious lacking in the technical department. They are trainers. JFF needs to address this problem, bora is doing a great job in improving the technical aspects of the current local base squad. If you watch our NPL and all the other leagues, u would see quite clearly what IM talking about. The JFF needs to make it mandatory that coaches get a particular training b4 dem coach at the NPL level, not just some one week courses but an intense program overseas (and they must foot the bill, as this is in tandem with long term development).
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Its quite sad that we dont have a national league where u can pick players and know they are of a good quality. If u notice every coach haffi tek dem and start a one year grooming process. That dont say much about the sustainable development of our football. Always wanted to use that term on the forum,lol
I notice that boxjuice not paying much attention to the NPL. Its like a company spending all its money on selling bad products without improving the production process. After a while it will fail
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Mi tell him jus' keep hope alive as Panama not playing that well either. I was really expecting a lot more. I hate to say it but we need the UB...
