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#60576 - 06/21/01 09:08 AM
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Jagga
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Many may not agree with me but Onandi Lowe is a disgrace for a captain. He is not a leader and he a very disaruptive element in the team . Lowe is a suck suck cry baby that does not make any attempt at the ball unless it is at his feet.
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#60577 - 06/21/01 09:25 AM
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Yes Jagga, I couldn't have said it better.
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#60578 - 06/21/01 10:09 AM
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I've been saying that since they gave him the armband.
He's not captain material.
Pepe de yah
Bibi deh yah
Hell.. Even tappa deserve it more
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#60579 - 06/21/01 10:24 AM
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How unno so fool fool. Unno watch the match? Wha Lowe have fi do wid anything? Wha Lowe been captain had fi do wid anything?
If you guys wan't to blame someone, blame our entire team defence for allowing teams to outnumber us in our own 18 yd box on crosses. Blame our so called coach for been in charge of a team that gets scored on by crossed balls everytime. Blame our so called coach for sticking with a formation that does not have any upside for our players.
Lowe had nothing to do with us losing the game, he scored a good goal and tried hard. Where would we be now without Lowe? Personally, I like his passion because at least it shows that he cares. If our coaches were this passionate we would have given up on this formation that does not fit our style and we would be practising team defence and how to defend crosses.
If unno no know wha unno a chat bout "SHUT UP...."
[This message has been edited by Jagga (edited 06-22-2001).]
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#60580 - 06/21/01 10:39 AM
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Jagga
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CHISEL, I guess you dont understand the concept of a team leader. sure, Lowe needs to play, but he is no leader. I think you need to calm down and understand what we are saying, but then I am not sure if you are willing to be rational about topic. I agree that he is passionate...a passionate cry cry baby that is bent on destroying his career. The BIG MAN needs to play ball and SHUT UP. He needs to let his feet do the talking.
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#60581 - 06/21/01 11:02 AM
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Chisel you make good points but leave out the personal attacks as everyman is entitled to their opinion. While I don't think Lowe's behavior is what a Captain's should be, you can't argue with the fact that he is our best option in terms of scoring. You are right Lowe had nothing to do with us losing the game but rather the coach who has the team woefully underprepared. Almost every goal that has been scored against us has been the same, high balls served into the area. Why have'nt we corrected that problem. The coach has stubbornly stuck with the very limiting 5-3-2 formation and the 2 liabilities in the mid-field, Williams and Whitmore. Blame must be placed where it is due and that's squarely on the shoulders of the coach.
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#60582 - 06/21/01 12:56 PM
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Let me put my two cents in, O.k we can't score goals and we changes the one of the starting forward a couple a times maybe it is time to try something new for instance maybe Lowe should sit for a bit and start Fuller,Burton,Hayles either two for a change just to get a handle on the problem or new insight which is really needed. When me use to play ball, field hockey whatever we were taught to play the whistle. You as player have no control over that so just shut up and play. Lowe needs to learn that.
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#60583 - 06/21/01 12:57 PM
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It's amazing how one individual is being singled out when it's a team sport maybe this explain why we are losing. You guys expect certain individual to win the match for us, not gonna happen. Fellows u win as a team and lose as a team; the TD should take the blame not the individual players. Furthermore, how do you know what Lowe is saying on the field? how do you know it's not words of couragement? BTW which other strikers have scored?
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#60584 - 06/21/01 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Jagga:
Many may not agree with me but Onandi Lowe is a disgrace for a captain. He is not a leader and he a very disaruptive element in the team . .
I read this and I am still baffled how this was interpreted as Lowe caused us to Lose.
Chisel its probably better that U practice what yu preach....If unno no know wha unno a chat bout "SHUT UP...."
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#60585 - 06/21/01 01:57 PM
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thanks JT. I never accused Lowe of costing us the game. Please look at the topic "Lowe should NOT be captain ". Some times we get blind sided by our emotions that we loose sight of the discussion. Tell me forumites. Would you want Lowe as your leader...think about it .
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#60586 - 06/21/01 02:43 PM
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within the context of our discussion it's implied...He may or may not be fit to be the captain but I am not on the field so I can't judge until someone on the battle field step forward. Is Nandi the only one who got a card? is Nandi the only one who scores? listen, I could go on but point being one man should not be singled out.
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#60587 - 06/21/01 03:01 PM
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Jagga, JT etc...
I apologise if you guys felt like I dissed you, but I am wondering if you did not see anything more pertinent to talk about than whether or not Lowe is the captain. I mean, our coach is continually showing that he is incompetent and it just might cost us a trip to the big dance and you find time to be critical of Lowe's captaincy.
What does Lowe been captain have to do with anything that is going on right now? We need to find out what is been done to address the strategic ineptness that we are showing and stop criticising one of the true fighters that we have. That is what I am saying guys.
When I was on the national u-17 team we played the u-20 team every Sunday morning and Lowe was the left back for the u-20 team. The guy was always screaming and talking, but it was because of the passion that he plays with. He does not do this to make the other players feel bad and they understood him, just like I am sure these guys understand him. He would not be the captain if he was just abusing the other players out there....On Sunday mornings back in 1992 I wished Onandi Lowe was on my team because he is a fighter....
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#60588 - 06/21/01 03:39 PM
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Jagga
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Chisel...I guess the training you both received is showing up as you both dont seem to realise the importance of a captain on a team. Its more that just wearing the arm band and a good captain can raise the moral of a losing team and motivate them to be winners on the field. A captain represents his players, team country on and off the field. Anyway Lowe still screams at players and its to tell them to do the work that he is so lazy to do. Listen Chisel, if you read some of my prior posts you will se that I respect Lowe's ability and potential, but I think that he acts very immature, irresponsible and sometimes just dumb. Look at his track record. The number of times he has walked off the field when he does not get his way (club and country) and the way he argues with the officials is just disgusting. Star , If Lowe would just stop being such a cry baby and play ball , use his ability and skills more and his mouth less, he would be a better player.
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#60589 - 06/21/01 03:43 PM
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CHISEL
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Jagga..I am going to ignore the whole part about the training we received. I am not interested in getting into a personal argument with you.
What I am asking is ;what does that stuff about Lowe have to do with last night's loss and our present predicament?
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#60590 - 06/21/01 04:04 PM
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Jagga, this is not about last night? if you're going to bring Lowe's pass behavior into this then you've to get rid of Lawrence(criminal record),Sinclair(disciple), Simpson, Burton, Boyz and Tappa.....get the point? Every man needs a second chance...Chisel was in the trenches with Lowe and you're going to disregard that, come on brother...
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#60591 - 06/21/01 04:09 PM
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CHISEL, you are missing the point. All they are trying to say is that Lowe should not be captain of the team... nothing more, nothing less. You know how on every team you have one (or a few) guy who always lose his cool and start to act up? Well... thats Lowe. And you know how there is always that guy who is mostly cool, calm and collected. And whenever the rest of the team is starting to get frustrated and loose focus... he steps in and restore order while at the same motivating and inspiring. Well... that guy should be the captain... the Leader of the Team. Unfortunately, Lowe is not the man for that job. If he was, everytime he starts to get frustrated he would step in and calm himself. Have u ever seen him keep his cool?
On a different note, have u ever heard about a guy called "Stylo" or "Stylo ebanks". He use to go to St. Jago High and he was on the U-17 in 91 or 92 I think. I saw him play a couple of time and he was really talented. He had a wicked first step and a powerful shot. Whatever happened to him? I thought he would have made it in football but it seems as if he has dissappeared off the face of the earth.
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#60592 - 06/21/01 04:18 PM
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Yes.
I know Stylo (Dennis Ebanks) he is a bit older than I am. He probably played in the youth team before me. I know him from Hazard when he played for them because I am from May Pen.
From what I saw of Lowe he probably is not the prototypical captain, but we are all looking from the outside. The guy was (beleive it or not) a great motivator. He never allowed anyone on his team to fall asleep. I have had a lot of contact with the guy and I am not biased because we are not friends. He played with the Rochester Rhinoes in the A-League and they used my former college as their training groud. I trained with them in the college off season during my senior year and I can tell you that he is a good guy to have on the team because he does not allow you to slip up.
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#60593 - 06/21/01 04:44 PM
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Chisel,
It seems like you had/have a crush on lowe, tell me, why are you so *passionate*
What's wrong with you fool fool Chisel? Of course Lowe cost us the match, Lowe ultimately had EVERYTHING to do with us losing that match. After all, he set himself up as the demagogue of our football so he should bear his cross.
It dosent matter if the other team scores, really, it dosent matter if our defense looked shity, it dosent matter if the other team is all over us, think about those possibility.... What matters is this, SCORE YOUR OWN GOALS AND KEEP THEM AT BAY.
Who was in the best position to score? Lowe.
Who could have scored Fuller's pass and changed the game? Lowe.
Who could have moved the game to Jamaica 3? Lowe.
Who could have....Lowe!
....Lowe!
....Lowe!
....Lowe!
Yu si mi?
WATCH the match next time yaw man, an tek MAN PASSION offa yuh mine..
[This message has been edited by Jagga (edited 06-22-2001).]
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#60594 - 06/21/01 05:16 PM
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Well yow a yow chisel. I wasn't really involved in this discussion.In fact when I saw the topic I only dived deeper just to post LOWE SHOULD NOT BE ON THE FIELD,but then I got sidetracked when you laid it on a bit thick on poor old Jagga.
For me, I have to admit that I admire Lowe.B4 the last game the last time I saw him was at the WC. I saw him against the USA,& I was impressed.Mi cant lie. The man had a likkle dribblin improvement.He was moving thru the defence as I hoped when I used to shout that Lowe should be upfront while others were shouting Lowe is a defender.When everyone was having a go,I was shouting for Lowe to be captain,maybe that will curb his attitude problem.I was also first in saying put Lowe in the middle.Now we hear this talk from all angles.Check the archives if U want proof of that.
I am no coach or no expert Chisel and unlike U and nuff guys the closest I get to knowing footballers is from the stand or a man know a man.But none the less that does not deter me from voicing my opinions, coz as Gregory said...I DESERVE THE RIGHT, LIKE ANY OTHER MAN. I am not saying that I am an expert since everything me say eventually gets done or said,but it shows that though we all cant play chess at world standard levels we can still play chess from you have grasped the fundamentals.
Now to LOWE. As a baller, it should of been instilled in you that TEAM WORK is essential. The best ballers can be on the same team but if they are not playing as a unit then they just get lost,then begin to depend on individuality rather than the plan. As all Jamaicans a badman,I am certain you understand the flex that man badder when dem in a crew. That same flex is what I mean by Teamwork.When they play in packs or individuals as they did in the 98WC then games we should sail thru we create obstacles. I was called a waggonist and shit bcoz I thought we should of beat up Mexico.I went on to say, watch everyone else beat up Mexico.All the coach resign now.Honduras was in a mess and was in fear of Jamaica.Not even the idiot who use to mouth we on the forum check we coz dem now Jamaica held the handle.But what did we do.Give Honduras hope by showing them how good this likkle youngster they have on the wing is..Now they are full of confidence.It was obvious USA feared us.They came they saw.They refereed and gone wid the points.By then it was obvious to me that we didn't have a plan except expect a three man midfield to compare and hold off all other midfiels regardless if outnumbered and the five man defence will clean up forgetting that it is really a three man defence as Bibi and Marshall get a licence to roam.
The defence and Midfield are not perfect but they do their best to make space,move into space and pass.We ask for creators but Whitmore we slander bcoz he does not tackle enough.We slander Williams coz he too nuff but yet still we want tacklers.We big up Lawrence but as much as I was one of the first to call for his inclusion it is obvious that every other game he is injured.(IF we dont watch out we are gonna kill his career).We run away or treat the other possibilities like shit and we dont give them proper training but expect them to be the finished article.( I wonder what is going to happen with all these yellows and TnT and Mexico)Then we have an abundance of forwards all with their own claim to fame and rightly so we stuck with Lowe as he was scoring goals.I was one of the first who put an X beside Burtons name, coz he couldn't score but I also recognized from time that though brilliant at running,he was wasting himself as Burton and Lowe played different.
Burton did not play in the USA game.Lowe did and with a more accomodating forward.Someone who was more accomodating than Burton. This was Harris.We brought on Fuller and even he did not gel with Lowe.When we played TnT. Lowe did not play.We never scored much but we won. It is obvious that the team plays more like a team when they are not depending on one "big man" fi stampede towards goal. Stampede is a good strategy if it works.Isn't it obvious that Lowe cannot adjust his game.Big him up still.He has got passion and all that stuff U said Chisel but his lack of teamwork is what I see as letting down the side.He does not create options nor space.He does not run back to tackle. At least Tappa does coz I saw him.He dont pass unless he is in trouble.By then the play bruk down.The very thing that the opponents fear about him is not used as an advantage but more a hindrance coz if you are on stampede and get trip up most will say its just a rumble when you have his size.If you made some brilliant play and cleanly had an advantage instead of steam roll ur way thru and got tripped,then you will get few calls.Instead of using his size to hold up play and bring in other players he always forces the issue. And if you have read my posts in the past then you will see that I sometimes compare him to EMILE HESKEY of LIVERPOOL and ENGLAND. Emile lacks the self belief and Lowe lacks the forwards skills. And lets be honest,we all forget that Lowe is not a striker.He is just a goal scorer. If he cant grasped the fundamentals, then bench him or move him. Now if he is captain and cant grasp the fundamentals of team work then he should not be captain.But then the problem really is how can U bench the captain without seriously denting his pride. He can play defence.But he dont run.The stand up defenders days are numbered. Midfield he would definately have to run.The third striker idea me burn out longtime but my posts are too long hence that idea probably got lost.He would be good for that role but I prefer Fuller in that role coz he passes the ball and creates space with his dribbles as he averts the opponents focus.
Teamwork we have to work on. I still believe that we can construct a team around Lowe but it will prove futile if he doesn't grasp the fundamentals of teamwork.The JACKSONS were good. Micheal Jackson and the JACKson 5 mash up.Micheal by himself was good,so good him gone crazy. But where you can sing alone.U cant play football alone.
And the major point Chisel. It says a lot when the fans are now saying the same things about Lowe.Even if un-intentional,he should still pay attention to the publics perceptions of him. So as b4,those wo think we need Lowe should state reasons why and shy away from the abusive and stampede attitude of forcing others to concede to your opinions.
What more can I say...This post is too short.
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#60595 - 06/21/01 07:46 PM
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Bwoy some a de man pon dah site yah a sumting else. Imagine Chisel a try give the I dem a insight on the type of player Lowe is on the field and man like Zouse a come disrespect de man, dat a downright slackness.
Now the argument was brought forward that Lowe should not be captain by Jagga and he made some valid points. Onandi seem very passionate about the game and this maybe why he appears so overbearing on the field and this might not be good for his fellow players. Lets keep in mind guys that Lowe was place in this situation because of the injury to 'Rudie', Dixon is a much more calm and relax individual and seem to have the respect of all the other players.
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