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Shaggy has been voted best male artist and Hot Shot best albumn at the 2001 Billboard awards last night (4.12.01). Well done and big up to the youth, another great Jamaican ambassador to the world. He always shines on TV whenever he is interviewed and is a worthy sucessor to The Hon Robert Nesta. What an example he has set to the local idiot DJs who cann stop chat bout gun and punnani. If you want to reach an international audience you have to speak the international language, English, so people can understand you. If you want to just mek chune for man pon the corner, then stick to what you are doing and don't complain when you only sell 2,000 records. Don't get me wrong, patwa have it place, but there is a time and place for everything. As Bob used to say: "Mi caan sing fi Jamaica alone." Gwaan Shaggy, show dem how fi dweet.
careful Tman u can't call Marley and Shaggy in the same sentence. I suspect a charge of blasphemy will soon be formally issued against you.. But I thibk this is goin to be the beginning of a long one...
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Behold you have standing on Holy Ground!!!!! Yes Iyah ...DO NOT MENTION BOB AND shaggy in the SAME BREATH! That is Blasphemy in my book. Apologise star.
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Sorry if you get me wrong, I wasn't comparing Shaggy to Bob. I was just saying Shaggy has taken up the example set by Bob by "hitting the world with music" unlike the present DJs who are only singing for man pon the corner. Both Shaggy and Bob have made their mark on world music so nuff respact to them both. Anyone who knows me, know I'm one of the biggest Marley fan these is and would in no way diss The Gong. 1LOVE
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Easy Grinds, be careful you dont set Bob on a pedestal where he himself would not want to be. Are you saying Bob did not sing love songs like Shaggy, or was not into it to make money and only to change the world? Get real. Bob started out to make a living like any other musician and it was only when he converted to the Rastafari faith that he gained a world view and put it in his music. And even then he was still singing "saff tune". Remember "Turn your lights down low"? and many others I could mention. Anyway, my point was about the present crop of DJs who don't live up to this standard.
"Ambush in the night, they open fire on me now" - Marley.
most people who truly belong on a pedestal don't want to be on one. why you thoink caesar refused his title couple times before his accession....him did want people fi want him.
still...you have to clarify the bob-shaggy thing. I think I know what you were getting at but they are the same only in international recognition status. Shaggy don't really stand for anything other than pum pum shorts and slamming on the counter--contrary to the attempt to distinguish him from those othe JA artistes stuck on gun and sex lyrics.
"unlike the present DJs who are only singing for man pon the corner."
bob was a sing for the all the man them pon all the corner. some corners did bigger than others. I would like to learn more about shaggy "love song" them still. heh heh
I still feel you might have one or two more complaint lodge gainst yuh hahaha. but a no nutten.
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Mek mi get a word inna dis. First of all Shaggy for all I am concerned is a POP artist (a Jamaican Pop Artist mind you). The only comparison between Shaggy and Bob that can be made is that they are both Jamaicans and they both enjoy world wide appeal.
Musically there is no comparision because Bob sang about what was going on around him in Jamaica (Love, Hunger, Oppression and Rebellion) whereas Shaggy sings about what is going on around him in America (Girls, Money and Bling Bling). They are both from 2 totally different time and both with 2 different type of music. The common mistake therefore is considering Shaggy a reggae/dancehall artist because although he once was (anybody remember Shaggy from Downbeat and African Love days in New York?), he's a Pop artist now (check his beats) with a Jamaican Flavor.
All said and done, me support Shaggy 110% cause he's Jamaican, his music is creative and most of all he has not forgotten his roots (few artists gives back as much as he does to Jamaica). Therefore even comparing him with the local Dancehall artists is unfair because he's exposed to a different enviroment and being as versitile as he is, he's adopted to it.
So just big up di youth and stop trying to compare apples to oranges.
tman you sound excited,congrats to shaggy.shaggy is a very good entertainer with jamaican ingredients,but he does not represent reggae music.i hope the awards weren´t for reggae category.no hard feellings!
He always shines on TV whenever he is interviewed and is a worthy sucessor to The Hon Robert Nesta.1LOVE[/B]
Tman may I respectfully submit that to be a worthy successor to Bob is a task that has eluded tons of artists and the crown does not automatically fall on the head of the 1st yardman who duss-up charts left and right
One has to be a TRUE REVOLUTIONARY and defend the cause of the downtrodden and take it to level that Bob M & W did in inspiring many to achieve their dreams against great odds as the freedom fighters of one African nation that sang a Marley song at their Independence ceremony as a tribute to the inspiration Nesta's music provided.
so yuh si Bob and his message were/are an ambassador to the world shaking down nuff strongholds and threatening the 'We Only' Empires. Shaggy, respect to a hard working youth is a shining star for a media empire not unlike a mariah carey, a donna summer or a Britney. They shine today and dim tomorrow. unlike Bob who told dem long ago 'Dem a guh Tired fi si mi Face'.
Only a few, very few Generation Xers can understand this. We babyboomers were truly blessed One LOVE.
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I like the subtle way TMan has posted here. And for want of sounding too British "well done sir!"
Some things click so well they become immortal. This usually is a phenomenon brought about by several circumstances, the timing and societies feelings being key. This isn't a statement to undermine Bob, who was, pardon the pun, but A Legend, but the respect in 2001 goes to Shaggy for hitting people today, now, right now.
Read it again Mr. Tman.(yu might jus learn a ting or two)
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Originally posted by Perry Boy: EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!
Mek mi get a word inna dis. First of all Shaggy for all I am concerned is a POP artist (a Jamaican Pop Artist mind you). The only comparison between Shaggy and Bob that can be made is that they are both Jamaicans and they both enjoy world wide appeal.
Musically there is no comparision because Bob sang about what was going on around him in Jamaica (Love, Hunger, Oppression and Rebellion) whereas Shaggy sings about what is going on around him in America (Girls, Money and Bling Bling). They are both from 2 totally different time and both with 2 different type of music. The common mistake therefore is considering Shaggy a reggae/dancehall artist because although he once was (anybody remember Shaggy from Downbeat and African Love days in New York?), he's a Pop artist now (check his beats) with a Jamaican Flavor.
All said and done, me support Shaggy 110% cause he's Jamaican, his music is creative and most of all he has not forgotten his roots (few artists gives back as much as he does to Jamaica). Therefore even comparing him with the local Dancehall artists is unfair because he's exposed to a different enviroment and being as versitile as he is, he's adopted to it.
So just big up di youth and stop trying to compare apples to oranges.
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Yep, apples and oranges. S'pose it just comes down to what you're "into" at the time. Can't say I'm a big fan of Shaggy though, the pop-gangster image just doesn't do it for me. Now Bob, there's a different kettle of fish. I don't know a single person who doesn't like to listen to the odd Bob M & T W track. He has "touched" everybody who has been fortunate enough to have heard him (i.e. most of the world). My favourite track is "Redemption song", 'coz it's just Bob and a guitar. No samples, no back-ups, just a pure, natural gift being given. Beautiful song.
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“Mi trow mi corn, mi no call no fowl”.– Marley All a unno go back and read mi ORIGINALl post. I was’nt trying to compare Bob to Shaggy (two different horses in two different classes) but only saying Shaggy has reached the heights of Bob BY REACING A WORLD WIDE AUDIENCE, that’s all, nutten bout if is reggae or pop, or contents of their lyrics, or trying to change the world, etc, etc. The main point I was trying to make, which everyone has avoided addressing, is Shaggy’s example to local DJs to clean up their act, both lyrically and the use of proper English, if they want to reach out to the world, like Bob and Shaggy. Any Bob vs Shaggy debate is another topic and I will be ready to take part in it if someone is brave enought to pose the question in that manner. “Everytime mi plant a seed, dem say kill it before it grow” – Marley.
I think the issue that Tman was trying to get across to was misconstrued and placed out of context.
I realise that many postings are actually addressing an issue that was never raised. Its like answering a question in an exam that was never asked.
All the original message is trying to compare is the success of both people not the music. Tman, based on the post, was only try to make the point that more DJ's could do likewise (like Shaggy) if they can "change" their music (i.e much clearer English).
I am a big fan of reggae/dancehall and personally I don't know the implication of "changing" would have (i.e would the music still be classified as reggae).
If DJs change they lose their credibility just like how some Jamaicans don't see Shaggy as a reggae artiste.
Could we imagine Bounty and Merciless for example doing the same thing as Shaggy? These two aforementioned build their credibility by DJing fi the patois audience, Everybody dun know seh the the Killa seh im a the "poor people government".
Sizzla was billed as the next DJ to follow Bob Marley (In a media report I won't say which). I am a Sizzla fan but international audience would not be able understand his music, as excellent as lyrical as he is. Also Sizzla do hardcore chune to.
Luciano also does spiritual uplifting music but how many so-called reggae listeners who have a Bob Marley record can say they have a they have a Luciano as well. I really don't want to get started, cos mi no want spend the whole day a write (believe me I could).
I heard an interview with Babycham and he said that he was up for speaking more English in chune because the lack of understanding caused the music to not flourish internationally. Cham's (the Calabar man) last album is evidence of that. And may I add that the Foxy Brown combination was wicked.
I am side tracking the point of this message which is at the end of the day music is money and for reggae artiste to appeal to international audience, it mean changing their style, in essence their whole music. Do the hardcore dancehall fans want that? Do the DJ want to defer from what they know in order to make money? If they do then the run the risk of not being reggae but being POP as some people classify Shaggy. The question is can reggae artiste do POP? And for how long? If every DJ did a Shaggy then we would have lost the music itself.
So all the talk about Bob and Shaggy has to be looked at in context and not just in open space.
Too often I find that people let the media and the critics decide their minds for them instead of formulating their own opinion they move wid the crowd.
Example being Shaggy does a different flavor so he is no longer reggae, my opinion is once a reggae artiste always a reggae artiste. I am a reggaeboyz and reggae music fan for the longterm unconditionally. And I don't like how people don't stand behind someone like Shaggy simply because of the way he does his thing. He doesn't depart from his roots and try to claim he is something that he ain't.
No doubt in my mind where Bob stand in music, he was a musical genius, from his song writing to his background melody in every aspect. But if Bob were still around what kind of music would he be singing? If Elvis were around would he still be Rocking and Rolling?
Every musician has to play to suit their audience and thats what Shaggy has done. Give the guy credit. WELL DONE SHAGGY!!!
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Thank you ReggaeboyUK, now here is someone engaging in the real argument and not Bob vs Shaggy. What I'm calling for is better English and more uplifting lyrics from the DJs. Man can still sing love song like Angel by Shaggy without compromising the music. I dont care whether they label it reggae or not. Reggae is not only social commentary but nuff saff chune too. Check Gregory Issacs and Dennis Brown as examples of artist who dont compromise but sing clean lyrics and in a language we can all understand. As for being "poor peoples government", that only says poor people shouldnt aspire to better their condition but shoul ccept whatever is being dished out to them. So DJs, clean up your act, wheel and come again, or gwann sign pure gun talk and pum pum and live and die in obscurity. "Get up , stand up " – Bob.
Nuh shaggy was a sing that song bout pum pum shorts.
Nuh shaggy was a talk about slamming on the counter and this and that. Isn't that slack as well. Those are just two. There are more. All he has chosen to do is pass on the yard dialect and come across in a way that Americans can understand. I suspect he does not come from the ghetto, so he may be less inclined to use the dialect of the people who have not had the opportunities he may have had.
What you are saying is that local JA artistes should commercialize and make themselves more palatable to a suburban audience. I don't disagree that there may be social positives in getting rid of some of the more inappropriate gun and sex talk, but you are asking people to not be themselves so they are more acceptable to some other people living in Beverly Hills 90210. When Marcus came out he was not accepted in his own country. Yet he is now respected as among the foremost in black pride and inspired leaders around the world -- including Bob.
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Relax guys . Shaggy's 'PoP Star ' is only ephemeral. I 'm sure he has , getting rid of his shaggy curls,those trash clotes,the pop lyrics and all those females running around him, on his mind. ...Pretty soon he'll join Junior Reod and the gang atop Bobo Hill chanting fire and blazing the herb the pop/dancehall scene is just a phase all the great artist go through. Remember how Buju started out?...unless of course .....Shaggy isn't a great artist... I think I've said enough rubbish already ...Bob will always be the greatest lyricist,musician , universal artist forever minnows like my good friend Shaggy had his slice of the cake....."The Difference between Legends and stars is , a star burns out in time but legends never die" - George Herman 'Babe' Ruth
.....Shaggy isn't a great artist... 
