FIWI forever and forever FIWI. If I had the resources right now I would open it. I would not give a phart where the students come from the only requirements is they meet the entry standards.
If we raise the level of ball in the region we undoubtedly make it better for Jamaican football. I can't see why we have 80 sumptin posts just trying to understand that.
In the mean time there are football acadamies popping up all over west africa. I would see what I could do about offering many of our youths scholarships to those acadamies.
I am a fool, so I am not the best person to discuss "issues." The Caribbean had the ability to be generation ahead of it's time when it had the opportunity to form a federation of Caribbean Nations. We thought that too was a bad idea. 20 years later the European formed their federation. They claim that their federation would make life better for everyone involved. As long as we continue to feel that our little countries in and of themself can compete succesfully against large nations in every arena and win. We will be forver loosing. Unite now for success.
Which is why I wouldn't support your model. Incidentally, a union does not require all sides to put in the same effort, it depends on lots of factors; and effort does not equal money. With ideas like these it's no wonder you don't support the idea of a Caribbean academy!
Never said effort equalled money but a union must have equality, uniformity and fairness in it to WORK.
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Right now, the JFF couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, never mind a national football academy! Jamaica can't even afford to have a professional league.
So you get rid of the JFF. Jamaica can't even think about a Pro league when it can't even educate, feed and employ its people. This is a "Third World" country if you don't remember Herb luva.
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If Jamaica is one of the bigger players in the Caribbean imagine what the state of affairs is like in the surrounding countries. Going it alone is not a viable option at present,(IMO).
We went it alone in 1998 and we qualified. What's changed since then? We allowed others to creep up on us and then surpass us. When we should have been developing ourselves we neglected that and thought that qualification was something that came easy. Why all of a sudden now that we've failed to qualify, we have to go and join up with even bigger losers than ourselves?
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Of course I support the view that where autonomy is possible for development in football, it should be encouraged. After all, Jamaica wants to compete with other nations' teams.
Jamaica doesn't need the other much smaller islands like they need us. Jamaica has enough money to acheive a satisfactory level of footballing development. What the problem is that money is hard to coax from those who give it. When Jamaica qualified the amount of "wagonists" that came out was unbelievable. Now were doing worse, the money cease up. That's one of the problems with Jamaica, no longtermism
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My whole point is based on the current state of football in the Caribbean region. It is crying-out for some kind of joint project to be started. Pool the minimal resources and at least get a foot on the ladder.
And my point is the state of JAMAICAN football. I don't wish to make anyone stringer in that sporting regard. It is NOT crying out for a joint project to be started. Jamaica is crying out for a Jamaican project to be started.
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Unashamedly! Bring on the Euro!! Let's move closer to a federal Europe I say!
You mean bring on a fascist Europe with a centralised bank run by bankers you don't elect all controlled by people who aren't elected.
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Germany Vs England? The latter, of course.
So as an Englishman, you want Engladn to win. Isn't that nationalism. You wish to see England prosper. I say nothing is wrong with that. Yet somehow it's wrong if I want Jamaica, and Jamaica alone, to prosper?
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Firstly, you must acknowledge that no system is perfect, and every system will have it's flaws - we are dealing with human nature here! So, to answer your question. Internationalism works reasonably well within the European Union, within the Commonwealth, in Nato, the G7 countries, the United Nations.... because each of these groups encourages discussion, understanding, diplomacy and co-operation between the various member countries/nations.
I knew you would state all those institutions as examples but NONE of them are about inter-nationalism and none of them are decent organisations. The propaganda is working well on you.
Originally posted by jt: But I have to ask this question to all ite's, WHAT EXACTLY DO U CONSIDER A FOOTBALL ACADEMY TO BE>>>????????/
The academy I envisage is a of a school/college type scenario. It takes in boys of 13-18 years old.
Older kids are not taken into academies/centres of excellence. To instill the basics of football, you have to catch them earlier. By 19, old habits die hard.
The academy staff are not only educating them about football, the enrolees will also get their more valuable general education that they would get at "normal" school. The staff will be the childrens second set of parents seeing to every problem the pupil has.
It is the Director of the Academy who chooses who gets in to each years allotment. Not the individual coaches of the region. I;ve never heard of the principal of a primary school telling the principal of a high school who he must take in.
There will be a finite number of places obviously everyone can't get in and these children will be the best of the pool of young talent.
If the director doesn't have carte blanche to pick the best as he sees fit, then immediately the program is knackered. If he has to pick a set amount from a certain country that in itself defeats the purpose of the academy.
If he has to pick at least one from each country, same result.
Population wise, you'll probably see countries like Jamaica and T&T gaining the most from the academy and as a result only those countries will be benefiting team wise in the long run.
Since these kids are young and the academy will be located where sone will have to travel to, do you think a lot of parents will be for a system where their children move abroad to get a football education that guarantees nothing?.
These are all issues that nned to be addressed. This is not pessimism but realism.
So here's my take on why a national academy is better than a regional one.
If a national academy has 15 players for example coming through one year, those guys have played together for a few years and have engendered a team spirirt and knowledge of one anothers games.
That builds not just the player but the person as teamwork and national pride is developed. The same pride they will have to exhibit on the big stage we are grooming them for.
Now, if the heads that be do decide on a regional academy, I will support it because that is what they decide. I will always have my reservations.
Whether or not you are pro or anti the argument is a fair choice since this is only a game we are talking about. However, what I detest is people trying to sway my opinion based on the fact of the existence of the EU, United Nations etc.., institutions that exist in the interest of the few.
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....and leave you with the final word eh?
OK, but I must just say that I only gave examples of a political union to support my point, not to sway your opinion (see below). The point was that ANY union (football, political, marital) is not easy to preserve. The fact that many of them still exist (in spite of the difficulties) is a testament to the benefits that union provides.
Rather than getting carried-away by the "flash-in-the-pan" qualification for France '98, Jamaica should concentrate on a long-term, sustainable effort for football development. Given the meagre resources, a football academy is likely to be too expensive... unless other nations in the region can chip-in and help with the cost (while also benefitting from the development it provides).
In truth Chez, I don't care whether you agree with me or not - I am not trying to "sway" your opinion. However, it is important to me that you understand what I support, and why. I'm still not convinced that you do.
Respect, as always.
HL
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So Chez, what makes you different from the big bankers and so-called rulers of the Euro alliance?
They want all for themselves, and you state that you only care about Jamaica!
Sounds like its all a matter of degrees to me.
You make too many negative assumptions.
Who says there will not be fairness and equality?
So you expect a nation without the ability to feed, educate, and employ its people to go it alone in this world? The Euro dragons came together and you want to fight them alone....makes no sense to me!
So you think that the other Caribbean nations are bigger losers than Jamaica?
tsk tsk. Sounds like a fascist Europe idea that!
Maybe its Jamaica that needs to take a page out of Trinidad's book on Nationalism.....even though we are the biggest losers (football wise) millions are being poured into the football coffers by national companies!
Yes, Jamaica needs a Jamaican project to be started...but remember...no money, no sponsors(waggonists???) no employment, not enough education, not enough food. So maybe you do need a regional hand out!?!
No one mentioned bankers....lets bring on UNITY in the Caribbean!
Yes I say its Ok to be nationalistic....back Jamaica....but you do send yoyur children to school...or do you teach them EVERYTHING they need to know?
I see now that we as blackmen have a longgggggg way to go when talking about cooperation and unity....we have been ****ered for so long, we have no vision, we can't see our noses!
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Bwoy mi jus a read di thread n shake mi head . Mi neva know seh man n man have up so much resentment ina dem heart .
Some man everytime dem post it's to tell you who dem nuh like etc. Lots of times it's true what you say about people but bredren .. unuh nuh have nuthin positive fi seh ?
But now we know who all the haters are !
Is there nobody who wants to strive for peace n unity among caribbean people.
Is there nobody who sees the benefits this can bring to our individual countries in all levels of society?
Personally I think we could be self sufficient as a region with this approach because a scan of our region will show the resources and people to do it.
As to football .. Style .. What style .. There is no such thing as Jamaican ball .. I just don't see it as distinct from Trini ball.
Di man dem who start the Strike Squad was based on (Latapy and Lewis) played ball in Jamaica alongside man like Wayne palmer etc.
Let the haters hate wherever they hating from .. I'll try to build a vibes
Fi all the switch hitters ... Unuh is some weak ass !
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Bwoy you guys are too hard. Taken a few days "off" to just take in current events, now I'm back to pick up where I left off LOL
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Originally posted by Herb-luva: Rather than getting carried-away by the "flash-in-the-pan" qualification for France '98, Jamaica should concentrate on a long-term, sustainable effort for football development. Given the meagre resources, a football academy is likely to be too expensive... unless other nations in the region can chip-in and help with the cost (while also benefitting from the development it provides).
ANd how many times are you going to state this? I understand totally where you are coming from. You are stating these facts as if I am failing to see them. ALl along I have been pointing out the PROBLEMS that I know will arise.
AS I said previosuly if a joint Caribbean academ,y is what is decided I will still support but still hold reservations. I would still prefer to see it on a national level.
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In truth Chez, I don't care whether you agree with me or not - I am not trying to "sway" your opinion. However, it is important to me that you understand what I support, and why. I'm still not convinced that you do.
I understand what you support HL, you've only repeated it 1000 times! LOL. What I don't like is that those who call out for union automatically set themselves up as someone "in the right" and those who would strive to have a system where Jamaica can do something for itself are looked upon as people letting "black people down".
A call for union is immediately followed with the familiar cries of Bob Marley and Marcus Garvey and how black people should stick together. It's a form of emotional blackmail IMO.
If "unionists" are so in favour of unity is strength and the pooling of resources, why don't they call for a one Caribbean nation and one Caribbean football team as a result.
Originally posted by truetrini: So Chez, what makes you different from the big bankers and so-called rulers of the Euro alliance?
They want all for themselves, and you state that you only care about Jamaica!
When it comes to football, I only care about Jamaica. I couldn't care less if anyone else fails to qualify for the World Cup.
In other walks of life, my outlook is much more people friendly.
That's what makes me different.
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You make too many negative assumptions.
My assumptions aren't negative but merely points upon which I do not believe the "union" will work. I'm working from a viewpoint of looking upon how I know Caribbean people react to certain things.
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So you expect a nation without the ability to feed, educate, and employ its people to go it alone in this world? The Euro dragons came together and you want to fight them alone....makes no sense to me!
Are you talking football-wise or economics-wise? Football-wise we always go it alone. We compete as individual countries. Why aren't you calling for a unified Caribbean team? If you are talking about other more important world economic and social issues then start another thread and maybe you'll get another response from me.
We compete as individual nations, yet the whole idea that maybe an individual nation can possubly strive for an individual youth academy for its teenagers is somehow weird. That sounds strange.
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So you think that the other Caribbean nations are bigger losers than Jamaica? tsk tsk. Sounds like a fascist Europe idea that!
What the heck is fascist about what I'm saying? We are all losers but some are bigger losers than others.
There are cpuntries in Asia and Oceania that are so small, economically and a population basis, that they know qualification for the WC is non-existent. Likewise, there are sme in the Caribbean.
Personally, I don't see it in Jamaica's, or Trinidad's for that matter, to be uniting with them on a FOOTBALL basis. On another arena, like the more important issues of health, education, crime etc..., then you'll see a different viewpoint from me.
Sport is one of the few places where I can practice my pride in my NATION. In other spheres of influence, my "nationalism" is far far less pronounced.
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Maybe its Jamaica that needs to take a page out of Trinidad's book on Nationalism.....even though we are the biggest losers (football wise) millions are being poured into the football coffers by national companies!
And good luck to Trinidad for that. Hats off to you!
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Yes, Jamaica needs a Jamaican project to be started...but remember...no money, no sponsors(waggonists???) no employment, not enough education, not enough food. So maybe you do need a regional hand out!?!
I call anyone a wagonist if they only stick around in the good times. Let me clear that up.
The reason a Jamaican academy might be improperly funded is due to the fact that the finances might not be enough for all the people/facilities that are needed.
Are you then sure that the increased revenue will be able to cope more adequately with the no increased number of people that will won't to join?
You and I don't know since we don't have detailed feasability studies. yet this is just another obstacle that needs to be overcome. But I'm sorry that's just another negative suggestion.
Which begs another question, if you are moving into any form of arrangement, what you should pay particular attention to is the NEGATIVE since if you remove negativity only positivity flows. But let's not debate the negative, too pessimistic.
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No one mentioned bankers....lets bring on UNITY in the Caribbean!
Ok lets bring on a UNITED Caribbean football team then. Logical step.
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Yes I say its Ok to be nationalistic....back Jamaica....but you do send yoyur children to school...or do you teach them EVERYTHING they need to know?
I think I see where you're going with this but please clarify.
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I see now that we as blackmen have a longgggggg way to go when talking about cooperation and unity....we have been ****ered for so long, we have no vision, we can't see our noses!
here we go again! We as blackmen! No! We as humans is what you should be saying. What on earth has my colour got to do with it. Are you sure I'm black? If you want to talk about unity on fronts that matter, then you can but something as trivial and basic as football is not a ground on which to base widescale social politics.
As soon as someone talks about union between Caribbeancountries and someone expresses a counter view, the "Black people don't cooperate or unite!" line is thrown in your face. Emotional blackmail won't work on me.
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