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#60163 - 09/09/01 04:35 PM
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COUNTRIE, come to town because your arguments are wicked. Well said my youth. It might sound like I am flip flopping on the issue but I am not, the thing that I want is to have an acadamy in the region and it does not necessarily need to include TnT so I am swayed by your points. I think a FIWI is needed in Jamaica and could be funded by the private sector and tuition. I do recognize that most of the likely attendees typically not able of paying high tuition fees but their clubs could in some if not most cases. If it is a public type institution, meaning that we will not bar foreign students, then we have met FIWI need.
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#60164 - 09/09/01 04:39 PM
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sad indeed countrie....you are saying the same thing those fooish trinis say concerning UNITY! Yes, I say let Cuba join, Haiti etc. Not just English speaking countries.
About trade in the West Indies,,,Jamaica run to Venezuela for oil first...didja know that? They chose to break the trade wgreement with T&T.
As for the soft drink battle, me know nahting bout dat so me cyar comment.
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#60165 - 09/09/01 07:35 PM
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True Trini for me it's nothing personal but if I felt that JA and T&T could cooperate in the true spirit of brotherhood, then I would support the union. Countrie made some wicked points and I agree with him re: Cuba. Cuba over the years have demonstrated a genuine desire to help us from building structures to providing us with nurses and teachers. In all honesty therefore, with whom would you feel a greater sense of alliance?
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#60166 - 09/09/01 07:37 PM
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WHat is this Jamaican and Trini beef that everybody is talking about?? I don't remember there being any deep rooted resentment for trinis in jamaica. What? Is there resentment towards jamaicans in trinidad?
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#60167 - 09/09/01 07:45 PM
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Countrie:
I believe whether football, political or economic integration will not work with Jamaica in it. The rest of the caribbean seem to believe they are different and are also geographically very far away so lets forget this relic of the early post colonial era.
My view is that we should be trying to foster stronger ties with Cuba our nearest and most sincere neighbour. Take my word if we don't, in a few years we will regret it. As the Cuban economy begins to rise up there will be more and more potential for opportunities for both countries. In fact it's not just Cuba,we should be looking at our Spanish speaking neighbours rather than maintaining some loyalty born out of colonial ties.
It is interesting that you wish to "forget this relic of the early post colonial era", by "going it alone" and forging links with countries who have less in common with your own. I find it extremely ironic that, even in trying to break the link with the colonial era, your alternative is EXTREMELY British in it's approach!
Why should we merge even more with the European Union? Why should we seek economic compatibility (and a single currency)? Why should beak down barriers between our nations? We speak different languages, have different histories, have different points of view, have warred with each other on a grand scale. Why should we, Britain, the "undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champions of the world" (I jest!) make the efforts to overcome the obvious divides?
.....sound familiar? 
I am pleased to say that this is the view of approximately half of Britain, and not the whole of it (thank God!). I believe in making as many friends/partnerships/unions as possible. Societies thrive, (in terms of what is regarded as development), when they are constructively linked. The UNITED States of America and the European UNION prove this theory, in my opinion. Unity doesn't come cheap, it requires effort and patience (ask any married person!). But the ultimate goal is more easily achievable.
As someone quoted earler: United we stand, divided we fall." How true!
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[This message has been edited by Herb-luva (edited 09-09-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Herb-luva (edited 09-09-2001).]
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#60168 - 09/10/01 05:41 AM
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My god this post has run so long and Chez hasn't had anything to say yet.
Don't worry Chez has been under a lot of work as of late but has taken the time to educate you guys a bit.LOL!
Unity is strength.
A phrase often used that should be followed by the words "if those that are united have the same goal".
As a Jamaican, I am only concerned with Jamaica's football. Trinidad, Barbados etc..can be as crap as they want to be as far as I am concerned.
Therefore, a Caribbean Football Academy does not get my vote. Jamaica has over 2 million people, it can by itself run its own national football academy. It has a big enough pool to draw on.
If the Caribbean countries got together in a football academy, what happens when a large proportion of the entrants come from ONE island?
Cussing and fighting.
What happens when one of the financial backers pulls out because one country is benfitting more than another.
Cussing and fighting.
You can have a West Indian Cricket Academy because all are there with the goal of getting into the West Indies cricket side. There is no Caribbean or West Indian football side. So what's the use of a Caribbean/West Indies Football Academy?
On another note, it pains me when people talk of the European Union (or "trading" blocs in general) as a good thing as it shows a distinct lack of understanding if reality IMO. When they equate that on a football level, I just laugh.
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#60169 - 09/10/01 07:43 AM
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The point was that any union, whether it be in sport, politics or even marriage, requires effort, patience and understanding.
You are willing to give-up just looking at POTENTIAL problems, so if your attitude is indicative of the majority of Jamaicans, don't bother with any joint venture - you don't have what is needed. Good luck in catching-up with the rest of the developed world!
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#60170 - 09/10/01 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Herb-luva:
The point was that any union, whether it be in sport, politics or even marriage, requires effort, patience and understanding.
You are willing to give-up just looking at POTENTIAL problems, so if your attitude is indicative of the majority of Jamaicans, don't bother with any joint venture - you don't have what is needed. Good luck in catching-up with the rest of the developed world!
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Any union must have at its end, a goal that benefits all in said union. Seeing as there will be no union of caribbean football teams, I do not think it is necessary for Jamaica, Trinidad etc.. to form a unified Caribbean acadmey.
A marriage or a political union (which the EU is not I must add) are completely different. All entrants are committed towards a singular goal.
In a marriage, love, friendship, companionship, family etc.
In a political union, the economic, democratic and social wellbeing of all citizens of the countries involved.
Now the age at which you must catch players for an academy to be effective is between 10 and 18.
Where is this Caribbean academy gonna be located? Wherever it is some people are going to be relocated.
Wrong move?
At this age, re-location is the last thing that should be on their minds.
Notice how the English FA scrapped its national school at Lilleshall in favour or centres of excellence at individual clubs so young players will be closer to the place they learn (maximum 1 hour travelling time).
Whose going to be responsible for their education, medical well being, diet etc...
What about the wishes of the parents?
The various teams play as national entities, therefore, the academies should be national. If, however unlikely, the West Indies should play football like cricket, then a West Indian academy can be built.
Jamaica should be concerned with Jamaican football. Trinidad with Trinidadian football. It is not in any national asscoiations interest to spend some of its time aiding the growth of any other national teams football.
You ask whether I'm willing to give up based on potential problems. No. I am not willing to start based on lack of potential GAIN.
A marriage is prone to fail if the bride and groom have totally different aspirations and neither are willing to compromise.
A political union (like the EU) is doomed to fail if its main promoters are un-elected(like the EU), whose goals are contrary to wishes of the people (like the EU) and the sole purpose of its existence is for the betterment of a few at the expense of the many (like the Eu, NAFTA, APEC, globalisation etc..)
Likewise a Caribbean football academy is useless if, say, the 20 best young footballers are trained only to be sent back to their respective islands meaning each year only, say, five footballers from one country benefit when, in fact, if it had been done on a national level, the 20 best young Jamaican footballers would be trained for the betterment of Jamaican football.
And in Trinidad, their 20 best and in Barbados, their 20 best etc...
At somewhere along the line, all the nations will have to play off with each other to qualify, so what is the sense in one country trying to make another stronger?
You don't see Australia trying to make Nauru, Tonga or Fiji stronger teams. In fact, they would prefer not to play them.
As for your comment, "you don't have what is needed, Good luck in catching up with the developed world", the "developed world" is only developed because it says it is. What on earth is so developed about things like The European Union, globalisation etc.. that every man, woman and child has embraced it as the world's saviour and uses it as an anlogy for football?
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#60171 - 09/10/01 09:51 AM
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Chez, you raise many valid issues in your last post. I understand why you wish to keep Jamaican football separate.
My motive for supporting an island-wide academy was based on the lack of resources I keep hearing about. I've never crossed the Atlantic, so I rely on hearsay. If a football academy is to be of any use it needs experienced coaches and excellent facilities. The JFF complains about money shortages, as I'm sure most of the island's football authorities do. Rather than not proceed with an academy it would be better to divide the cost between each of the countries taking part. The numbers attending from each country could be determined by the amount of funding that country gives to the project.
As for the idea that you would then be helping your rivals to improve....this is not a war!! It's football my friend. It is the region's youth that matters. Each country would benefit economically in the short-term by exporting the talent it produced (through the academy). Tivoli Gardens FC have just received £750,000 for JJ - this would occur more regularly if the Caribbean could produce world-class youths more consistently.
If each island can set-up it's own football academy, then maybe they should. At the moment, the failures of whatever system Jamaica has, are plain for all to see. Something has to change.
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#60172 - 09/10/01 02:51 PM
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Chez
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Originally posted by Herb-luva:
My motive for supporting an island-wide academy was based on the lack of resources I keep hearing about.
I note that you support an island-wide scheme not a regional scheme. Therefore, we agree on the same thing. Remember, Jamaica is the island, Caribbean is the region.
I've never crossed the Atlantic, so I rely on hearsay.
A dangerous thing I must add my brother.
If a football academy is to be of any use it needs experienced coaches and excellent facilities.
Not one argument hear with that statement
The JFF complains about money shortages, as I'm sure most of the island's football authorities do.
Once again you make the mistake of thinking the Caribbean is the island. Or maybe it is just your punctuation and you should have said islands'?
Rather than not proceed with an academy it would be better to divide the cost between each of the countries taking part. The numbers attending from each country could be determined by the amount of funding that country gives to the project.
Which is exactly where I see the problem. If one country gets more places because of funding then naturally the richer countries Jamaica, T&T, Barbados will benefit at the expense of the less rich. The poorer will not see the benefit of putting into something they benfit less from and withdraw, leading to a position similar to the present i.e. no academy.
If you say the best from around the region are picked on merit then who does the picking then becomes another stumbling point. What if no Barbadians for example are picked for five straight years then the Barbadian FA will see no need to fund something that they will be reaping no reward from for a considerable future. Ironically their money wil be used in making their regional competitors stronger.
Thirdly, if a set number of places are awarded equally to each country regardless of funding or population size then this might seem a fair result, but why should it be so? Jamaica and T&T have the larger populations by far so the likelihood is pound for pound they will be producing the cream of the talent.
These are just some of the issues that need to be sorted out and, I feel, wold destroy any caribbean football academy
As for the idea that you would then be helping your rivals to improve....this is not a war!!
I wonder if England will accept any German young footballers to be trained and sent back or Man Utd would accept any Man City youth and then send them back? No way. Jamaica needs t uplift its own footballers. It's not a war but it's a competition.
It's football my friend. It is the region's youth that matters.
Once again I add i am concerned with Jamaica's youth not the region's youth when it comes to football.
Each country would benefit economically in the short-term by exporting the talent it produced (through the academy). Tivoli Gardens FC have just received £750,000 for JJ - this would occur more regularly if the Caribbean could produce world-class youths more consistently.
That is why i support a JAMAICAN football academy for JAMAICANS so that money comes into JAMAICA. Likewise T&T can do the same for themselves and Barbados etc...
If each island can set-up it's own football academy, then maybe they should. At the moment, the failures of whatever system Jamaica has, are plain for all to see. Something has to change.
Yes something has to change and Jamaica has to start associating itself with people who KNOW HOW TO WIN not people who THINK they KNOW HOW TO WIN.
Rene Simoes was the former, Clovis was the latter. It needs to have players mentally and physicaly prepared.
Jamaica needs to be preparing quality players like Bibi, who is succeeding because he is MENTALLY strong as well as other things. Walter Boyd and Onandi Lowe did not cut the mustard in England due to mental WEAKNESS
The "badmanism", "nepotism", "friend business" and "me a big baller" mentality needs to be cut out.
We have to address that as a nation and take our football to a different level and personally, I'm sorry, I see no place for Trinidad, Barbados and our WI friends, in that process.
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#60173 - 09/10/01 07:36 PM
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Chez, my friend, you obviously have views that are worth closer consideration, and you word them so well! (I'm not being sarcastic).
I note that you support an island-wide scheme not a regional scheme. Therefore, we agree on the same thing. Remember, Jamaica is the island, Caribbean is the region.
Thanks for the geography lesson (I am being sarcastic!) - I am aware that Jamaica is one of the islands in the Caribbean. By "island-wide" I was referring loosely to the countries of the region.
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Once again you make the mistake of thinking the Caribbean is the island. Or maybe it is just your punctuation and you should have said islands'?
Thanks for the English lesson (I'm being sarcastic again!) - I type quickly and make lots of mistakes, forgive me. I was indeed supposed to type "islands'" rather than "island's".
Which is exactly where I see the problem. If one country gets more places because of funding then naturally the richer countries Jamaica, T&T, Barbados will benefit at the expense of the less rich. The poorer will not see the benefit of putting into something they benfit less from and withdraw, leading to a position similar to the present i.e. no academy.
A place at the academy should have a fixed price. Each country sends as many of their best players as they can afford (chosen by the youth coaches/scouts in each of the respective countries). The poorer countries would not be able to benefit as much as the richer countries, but there are a couple of points: Firstly, at least they would derive SOME benefit (more than they currently do). Secondly, why assume that they would be unwilling to pay for a place in the academy, just because other countries can afford more places? Thirdly, like it or not, the most powerful countries in the world run free-market economies and if the poorer nations want a slice of the action, then they have to play the game. Likewise, the poorer countries of the Caribbean could not afford to benefit as much from the academy as the richer countries - simple free-market economics, no grudges, no favouritism, no arguments. In any case, who knows how the scheme would develop if it showed signs of success? It may see "outside" funding being given to support the poorer nations (for example).
I must stress that my support for the academy is just one of a number of measures that I think should be taken. However, I'll stick to the point in this post (as much as possible!).
I wonder if England will accept any German young footballers to be trained and sent back or Man Utd would accept any Man City youth and then send them back? No way. Jamaica needs t uplift its own footballers. It's not a war but it's a competition.
No, because they don't need to. They can afford to be completely independent, and still progress.
There is an old concept associated with competitive sport, it is called "sportmanship". I prefer to play tennis against my friend, (who is extremely good), than my sister, (who is extremely poor). The reason is because I enjoy pushing myself, I love trying to beat the best. I would get no pleasure from whooping some crap player's arse (at least not very often! -joke)
In any case, teaching someone does not necessarily mean that they will apply the teaching, and ability would still separate the individuals, even after they received the same lessons.
Once again I add i am concerned with Jamaica's youth not the region's youth when it comes to football.
An unfortunate point of view to have, in my opinion. I think that forming unions and co-operating with other nations, is a more virtuous way of running affairs than being insular and self-obsessed. Thank god there are more people in the world who share my view, or things would be even worse than they already are.
We have to address that as a nation and take our football to a different level and personally, I'm sorry, I see no place for Trinidad, Barbados and our WI friends, in that process.
I understand your nationalistic views. I spent an entire dissertation defending nationalism, insisting that it is not unethical. Having given my reasons, I finished with a few paragraphs which stated that just because I defend nationalism it does not mean to say that I think it is the noblest of concepts. Inter-nationalism supercedes it for a start. To be nationalistic is natural for humans. We seek to belong to a group, it is one of the influences that makes us who we are. But inter-nationalism presupposes nationalism, while acknowledging that there can be more to be gained by working in partnership, than by going it alone.
Respect.
HL
P.S. Please ignore any typo's, I find correction of them condescending.
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#60174 - 09/10/01 09:42 PM
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Funny, I find it real funny. Men her could talk about Marcus Garvey, and other Pan_African advocates as heroes and visionairies, but when it comes to the nuts and bolts...the doing rather than the talking...cowards and hypocrites!
I wonder if Marcus would have supported a Regional Football Academy?
BoB MArley, Steel Pulse and many other Reggae Super stars all promoter regionalism!
Yet while we sing and dance to their lyrics....we secretely harbour feelings of : "We better than them!" "Let them stand on their own!"
So much for "No matter where you come from, as long as you are a black man, you are an African"
Seems like the British and other Colonial powers were successful in their brain washing afterall: "Lets divide the fools, and we can conquer."
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#60175 - 09/10/01 10:22 PM
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Yes True Trini, but yuh comparing "apples and oranges". Football is only a game, one in which we can afford to be selfish. In the game of life however, we must work together for the betterment of our people. If you were asking me to support a program that would benefit and enrich the lives of people from both countries, I would gladly jump on that. Let's not confuse the issues.
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#60176 - 09/11/01 12:16 AM
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So wait nah, when Jamaica make it to the world Cup...Jakan lives not get enriched? The national psyche aint get an uplift?
People around de world eh say...cool running dem island men hard sah!
When Jakan athletes perform creditably, people doh take notice?
Players did not get more opportunitie$ ????
Ah confused!
Enlighten me nah!
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#60177 - 09/11/01 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by truetrini:
Seems like the British and other Colonial powers were successful in their brain washing afterall: "Lets divide the fools, and we can conquer."
Economically in efforts of trade and world affairs were countries like Jamaica, Trinidad etc.. do not carry much weight o na world stage, I will support a pooling
of ideas, resources and a union (of sorts) to get the view of this region across.
On such things the lives of our people depend. Employment, health, finance, crime, law and order etc..
Football, however, is only a sport, which at the end of the day we are only going to get tribalistic about in the end.
There's no unity when T&T kick off against Jamaica at the Office.
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#60178 - 09/11/01 04:13 AM
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Chez, my friend, you obviously have views that are worth closer consideration, and you word them so well! (I'm not being sarcastic).
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Thanks for the geography lesson (I am being sarcastic!) - I am aware that Jamaica is one of the islands in the Caribbean. By "island-wide" I was referring loosely to the countries of the region.
Which is where our misunderstanding starts as I would class that as regionwide.
Thanks for the English lesson (I'm being sarcastic again!) - I type quickly and make lots of mistakes, forgive me. I was indeed supposed to type "islands'" rather than "island's".
Never meant it in any condescending way just that I didn't know if it was a typo or not. I make typos all the time.
A place at the academy should have a fixed price. Each country sends as many of their best players as they can afford (chosen by the youth coaches/scouts in each of the respective countries).
I would prefer an academy where only set number of places for the very best are available. There has to be a set intake decided by those who run the academy.
The poorer countries would not be able to benefit as much as the richer countries, but there are a couple of points: Firstly, at least they would derive SOME benefit (more than they currently do).
Secondly, why assume that they would be unwilling to pay for a place in the academy, just because other countries can afford more places?
Because I was working off the example of a union. In a union all sides put in the same effort. In this case money. If St. Lucia, for example, pay the same as Jamaica, and Jamaica gets more players into this academy, I can see the aggro now.
Thirdly, like it or not, the most powerful countries in the world run free-market economies and if the poorer nations want a slice of the action, then they have to play the game.
And the most powerful nations in the world do things for THEMSELVES and leave us poorer ones as their sweatshops. What all those powerful nations and their so-called "free market economies detest is any economy going it for themsleves. Those in power are afraid of a good example.
Likewise, the poorer countries of the Caribbean could not afford to benefit as much from the academy as the richer countries - simple free-market economics, no grudges, no favouritism, no arguments. In any case, who knows how the scheme would develop if it showed signs of success? It may see "outside" funding being given to support the poorer nations (for example).
You will forgive me if I don't exhibit the same joy over "free market" economics as you.
No, because they don't need to. They can afford to be completely independent, and still progress.
The reason why you don't see European teams combining their academic resources is because they understand that the long term goal is to produce players for a particular team. Ajax have an academy ready to produce players for Ajax.
the various English clubs have centres of excellence ready to prepare players to come up into the first team.
One of the great strengths of a football academy is grooming youngsters who by the age of 18-19 know each others games back to front and have fostered a great team ethci and can transfer that to a higher level. You will lose all that if the players all come from different countries.
There is an old concept associated with competitive sport, it is called "sportmanship".
I don't think I've advocated bad sportsmanship
I prefer to play tennis against my friend, (who is extremely good), than my sister, (who is extremely poor). The reason is because I enjoy pushing myself, I love trying to beat the best. I would get no pleasure from whooping some crap player's arse (at least not very often! -joke)[quote]
That's why I've been critical of many of the warm up opponents Jamaica have chosen to play against. I agree Jamaica needs to play against or associate itself with people who are better. No argument here HL on that.
[quote]An unfortunate point of view to have, in my opinion. I think that forming unions and co-operating with other nations, is a more virtuous way of running affairs than being insular and self-obsessed.
A union only works if all people are in it and get out of it, the same things. A Caribbean academy with no Caribbean team does not serve a practical purpose. AT the end of the day, we have divided ourselves into nations to lay football so why such shock horror when an academy is proposed on national lines?
Thank god there are more people in the world who share my view, or things would be even worse than they already are.
I support Unions, fraternity and togetherness but only where necessary. I take it you are pro-EU?
I understand your nationalistic views. I spent an entire dissertation defending nationalism, insisting that it is not unethical. Having given my reasons, I finished with a few paragraphs which stated that just because I defend nationalism it does not mean to say that I think it is the noblest of concepts. Inter-nationalism supercedes it for a start. To be nationalistic is natural for humans. We seek to belong to a group, it is one of the influences that makes us who we are. But inter-nationalism presupposes nationalism, while acknowledging that there can be more to be gained by working in partnership, than by going it alone.
When England played Germany on Sep 1, who did you want to win? Can you also tell me where inter-nationalism or centralisation, as I prefer to call it, is actually in good working practice?
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#60179 - 09/11/01 09:37 AM
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Bob said "Africa unite" and now there is the Africa Free Trade Association which replaces the OAU.
The rest of the world have them Nafta, ACEAN, EU and other I cant put a name to right now, but u get mi drift?
What happen to we black peole in the West?
The colonist have we brainwashed so we cant unite?
we can do this!!!!
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#60180 - 09/11/01 09:55 AM
Re: Time for Caribbean countries to formulate a regional plan for football development!
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Ok Chez, I think the problem here is that you do not understand exactly what I support, and why. I wouldn't support the idea of a Caribbean academy if it was set-up on the model you describe:
I would prefer an academy where only set number of places for the very best are available. There has to be a set intake decided by those who run the academy...
...Because I was working off the example of a union. In a union all sides put in the same effort. In this case money. If St. Lucia, for example, pay the same as Jamaica, and Jamaica gets more players into this academy, I can see the aggro now.
Which is why I wouldn't support your model. Incidentally, a union does not require all sides to put in the same effort, it depends on lots of factors; and effort does not equal money. With ideas like these it's no wonder you don't support the idea of a Caribbean academy!
Right now, the JFF couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, never mind a national football academy! Jamaica can't even afford to have a professional league. If Jamaica is one of the bigger players in the Caribbean imagine what the state of affairs is like in the surrounding countries. Going it alone is not a viable option at present,(IMO).
Of course I support the view that where autonomy is possible for development in football, it should be encouraged. After all, Jamaica wants to compete with other nations' teams. My whole point is based on the current state of football in the Caribbean region. It is crying-out for some kind of joint project to be started. Pool the minimal resources and at least get a foot on the ladder.
I support Unions, fraternity and togetherness but only where necessary. I take it you are pro-EU?
Unashamedly! Bring on the Euro!! Let's move closer to a federal Europe I say!
When England played Germany on Sep 1, who did you want to win? Can you also tell me where inter-nationalism or centralisation, as I prefer to call it, is actually in good working practice?
Germany Vs England? The latter, of course.
Firstly, you must acknowledge that no system is perfect, and every system will have it's flaws - we are dealing with human nature here! So, to answer your question. Internationalism works reasonably well within the European Union, within the Commonwealth, in Nato, the G7 countries, the United Nations.... because each of these groups encourages discussion, understanding, diplomacy and co-operation between the various member countries/nations.
Respect.
HL
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#60181 - 09/11/01 11:45 AM
Re: Time for Caribbean countries to formulate a regional plan for football development!
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jah b_dup1
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Okay Trini yuh got me on that one. I saw the tremendous pride that people had after we qualified in 98 which in turn benefited the country. I am not convinced however, that coorperation between the two countries will benefit either one in terms of qualifying or improving our programs.
Peace
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#60182 - 09/11/01 05:56 PM
Re: Time for Caribbean countries to formulate a regional plan for football development!
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Those of you who opposes a unified academy are pessimists who are too caught up with nationalism and selfishness to see the bigger picture, after all we're not re-invented the wheel since it has been proven time and time again that unified we stand divided we fall. We can all bore holes through every single idea, concept, theories etc. …but does that mean it won't work, hell no! We can either remain stagnant/complacent or we can move forward to a unified academy where we can pool our scare resources, and talent for the betterment of all participating nations.
I am tired of seeing the perpetual renewal that everyone talks about on this forum the same bunch of guys from 1901 playing. Where are all the new talents? Lets take a look at how many new talents who have emerged from 1998 and then we can talk. The system as it stand is a complete failure and we need a drastic change. we can continue complaining about the available of our players for friendly matches because clubs are reluctant to release them or we can talk about not having a second eleven or the limited amount of practice matches. Well, I say it's already proven that a unified region, country, people, multinational corporation is far better off than one that stands alone, so if you want to make up all sort of hypotheticals as to why this will fail as the world passes us by then go ahead, but unify is where I stand.
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