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#60143 - 09/08/01 11:06 AM
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From I saw the name "Mahdu" I know that was one wise bomb-of-cloth to rawce.Are you a Clarendonian mi fren? I hope what you just said don't stir up political turmoil though.Some ITES in here just relish these statements to launch a labourite or socialist attack.The point you made is as clear as the truth of the fact.Big up yu self weh yuh stan up bass 
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#60144 - 09/08/01 01:41 PM
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First let me deal with Madhu because he was saying something about Europe coming together
not so my friend a lot of countries are rejecting the so called european union etc England and Italy.
Not only that this so called EU or european union is being done strictly for economic reasons those countries are not trying to share anything else, as the saying go's it's business nothing personal.
The british are'nt trying to be germans and the germans are'nt trying to be French and the French are'nt trying to be Italians, plus there are a lot of poorer EU countries that are being denied entry into the federation because their economy is not good enough again all about the money .
Madhu your reasoning sounds a lot like communism to me, and dont invoke Manley into this a great leader he may have been but not all of his ideas or decisions helped Jamaica.
A lot of what ails jamaica today is a part of Manley's legacy.
Now for JT dude where is your backbone you sound a little spineless my friend, have you read Zouse,Shatta-cleve and my post all of us think that the JFF was headed in the wrong direction and we know that a lot more changes are needed in order for the Organization to be a viable one.
A lot more changes in personnel and day to day operation is needed but i think they are begining to see that now, with better infrastructure and as we say OUR OWN FOOTBALL ACADEMIES we will turn things around.
There is a saying misery loves company and thats the TNT problem right now, go over to thier website the Soca warriors and you will see the amount of garbage they spew about Jamaica.
Join with TNT or any other caribbean country NEVER let them do there own schit.
Honduras nor CR did'nt run off to start any type of federation after the last world cup what they did was develope their own strategy from within and trained hard and wala it paid off..
JT you mentioned something about defending Guyana by using TNT soldiers that was really funny, anything happens in the caribbean those countries will want to run to Jamaica first we are the ones that will kick Venezuela's ass, Trini's are cowards thats why they tried to beat up on jamaican's during that last soccer match and also dont forget they never raised the Jamaican flag.
I have no feelings for TNT they can go to hell!!!!!
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#60145 - 09/08/01 04:33 PM
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Binza...you are an undiluted ass.
Where did you see Jack Warner call for a joint football academy...I made that call.
Secondly, it was the same ship, which made the same trip...just different ports of call.
You are just like those ignorant Trinis who spout off against Jakans....IGNORANT AND FRANKLY A DISGRACE.
NOW BUGGER OFF WITH YOUR RHETORIC OF DISHARMONY AND STUPIDITY.
IDIOT.
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#60146 - 09/08/01 04:54 PM
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Binza, for your edification ....the world is not flat; the earth is not the center of the universe; jamaica football ****s; trinidad football ****s, bajan football ****s, guyanese football ****s; cuban football ****s;vincentian football ****s, kittean football ****s; puertorican football ****s, haitian football ****s; in other words....dummy....caribbean football ****s.
know why jamaica made it last world cup....jack warner created a third concacaf place for trinidad, they did not make it...and jamaica scraped in....jakan football ****s, trinidad football ****s...etc. get the picture, you ignorant lout...get it.....
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#60147 - 09/08/01 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by zouse:
It's good to see you and co, and Jack Warner has finally learnt your lesson, AFTER YOUR FAILURES.
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Unity indeed, how convenient now.
Zouse, are u talking to me? What failures? I said it before and I will say it again: We need some kind of unity within the caribbean!! Not just in sports but especially in economic development.
Binza, what is your point about the european union? Are you sayig it is not working? Is it about to collapse? The european countires moving as a block already is ten times more powerful than any single european nation. And this is suppose to be their backwards phase...the plan is to move 10 steps backwards so that they can take 1,000,000,...,000 steps forward.
I can give numerous specific examles, with figures, of how a joint caribbean union would be to our advantage (But i don't feel like typing too much). Every island being a world on to itself is not going to work. Do u know that if america stood still, it would take almost 100 years for the caribbean nations (excluding CUBA) to catch up to the US in terms of science, technology and manufacturing. And the bad news is today technology is evolving faster than ever!!
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#60148 - 09/08/01 07:19 PM
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Yu seet!
The same reason i wouldn't work with a caribbean academy, pure Trinidad bullschit!
Bout Jack Warner created a third spot so that Jamaica scraped in, ahead of Costa rica, Honduras, Canada, el salvador, assholes trinidad etc!!
Imagine that.
Like Binza said, did honduras or costa rico or every country in central america scramble to build a football academy? No! They worked out their own problems, and countries like honduras who beat our ass, and costa rica who we scraped for third spot last wcq! is now leading the region.
Learn from that.
Jack warner created a third concacaf place for trinidad, and they did not make it indeed! You better tell Warner to create a last spot for trinidad now, and pray they make it, because trinidad football is a bunch of comic relief.
All i want now is for the jff to purify themselves and optimize the system. In the meantime fire fi any ideas bout academy.
BTW, what a controversy, check out Madhu's bewilderment!
Originally posted by Madhu:
First....
"We have a country of individualists who only look out for themselves".
and then....
"Personally, I just want to see Pepe and Dwarika and Yorke and Sandi drop some ball ina di world cup"
hehehehe..
Check yourself man,
meditate pon da song ya;
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#60149 - 09/08/01 07:54 PM
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zouse
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Someone say something about economic development? Hook me up now!
But i coulda swear we had caribbean union, because every minute i hear that patterson is off to to some caricom meeting, at which he's ceo or something like that...then i hear, caribbean institute of....., caribbean development b...., University in JA, UWI in Trinidad, UWI in Cuba, UWI in USA...
Nuff battyman inna Barbados!
America stay still! And guess what Rdad, all america's dependants would be still too. Can't bother tell you about economies of scale still....but why worry about who's leading in science and technology? They do the dirty work, and you enjoy the benefits, now aren't you happy!?
If you're not, and having nighmares about the balance of time, and evolving technologies, or you cant wait to grow up, try freexing your father's age because you want to be like him, since you're worried HE'S GROWING AWAY FROM YOU, then, hopefully in a 100 yrs time you'll find out it was NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
But, if you want something to do, try gaining some knowledge about "bluetooth".
That'll be a good start for you, more tips later.........
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#60150 - 09/08/01 08:58 PM
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rdad
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Zouse,
what? and what? and what?
I think you miss the whole point... what I am saying is: Are we in the technology and information age? where are the technology industries in the caribbean? Are there jobs for the youths? Should a young engineer on the island study microelectronics and photonics? If so where will s/he work after getting his/her degree? And if we don't try to improve in these areas, how exactly are we going to compete in the world market?
As for bluetooth... don't waste ur time! I am not sure what ur field is but 802.11 is emerging as the de facto standard... and that is old news!
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#60151 - 09/08/01 10:36 PM
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Wow, big up all crew! Zouse, you've definitely missed the point. We're not talking about Jamaica losing its independence instead we're talking about pooling our resources for the betterment of the caribbean. For instance, let say you got into a fight and the youth decided to call 50 of his boys, what would you do everything being equal? call 100 of your boys or take on all 50 by yourself?
[This message has been edited by terminator (edited 09-08-2001).]
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#60152 - 09/08/01 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by binza:
First let me deal with Madhu because he was saying something about Europe coming together
not so my friend a lot of countries are rejecting the so called european union etc England and Italy.
If you read my post you would see I said they are facing the same problems we are facing but are pushing on !
Not only that this so called EU or european union is being done strictly for economic reasons those countries are not trying to share anything else, as the saying go's it's business nothing personal.
Each country in the EU are far Bigger in terms of populaton and economy than our Caribbean countries .. We don't have have to follow excatly what they do And I'd suggest those smaller countries in europe do the same because cooperation shouldn't hurt them. This is not something we have to do just something that I personaly think would help US
The british are'nt trying to be germans and the germans are'nt trying to be French and the French are'nt trying to be Italians, plus there are a lot of poorer EU countries that are being denied entry into the federation because their economy is not good enough again all about the money .
Madhu your reasoning sounds a lot like communism to me, and dont invoke Manley into this a great leader he may have been but not all of his ideas or decisions helped Jamaica.
A lot of what ails jamaica today is a part of Manley's legacy.
If you read what I said I was talking about Norman Manley not Michael Manley .. How does communism come into this ! .... If u Trying to label me ..read first
By the way .. assuming you are speaking of Manley's supposed distruction of our economy in the 70's .. I think you will find that highly debateable .. Check out the CIA involvement .. I'll not touch that any further because then this would become a politcal issue .. Personally I'm non-aligned .. LOL
Now for JT dude where is your backbone you sound a little spineless my friend, have you read Zouse,Shatta-cleve and my post all of us think that the JFF was headed in the wrong direction and we know that a lot more changes are needed in order for the Organization to be a viable one.
JT ... I leave this to you !
A lot more changes in personnel and day to day operation is needed but i think they are begining to see that now, with better infrastructure and as we say OUR OWN FOOTBALL ACADEMIES we will turn things around.
There is a saying misery loves company and thats the TNT problem right now, go over to thier website the Soca warriors and you will see the amount of garbage they spew about Jamaica.
Thanks for the heads up .. I'll check it out but we spew stuff too .. Why not take the higher ground !
Join with TNT or any other caribbean country NEVER let them do there own schit.
Honduras nor CR did'nt run off to start any type of federation after the last world cup what they did was develope their own strategy from within and trained hard and wala it paid off..
This federation talk is not just because we lost Binza ... This has been in the air for a long time . Honduras and Costa Rica did not come into this qualifiers looking that good. They got a jump on us in the second round because they were in Copa While we sent our B team to St. Kitts and Caribbean Cup.
JT you mentioned something about defending Guyana by using TNT soldiers that was really funny, anything happens in the caribbean those countries will want to run to Jamaica first we are the ones that will kick Venezuela's ass, Trini's are cowards thats why they tried to beat up on jamaican's during that last soccer match and also dont forget they never raised the Jamaican flag.
I have no feelings for TNT they can go to hell!!!!!
I see you Binza ... Your just a hater like the Trini fans who did that ... You would condemn a whole nation ... I guess since fans come here n cuss the US and We Bottled a couple Mexicans they should hate all Jamaicans too. By the way I said that soldier thing not JT and although we obviously have problems between US I'd rather spend my time resolving rather than stoking the fire
Still trying to figure out what zouse is trying to say ... rewind n come again zouse
I'm in Atlanta but from portmore Baddas .. Just come from playing some ball with some Trinis and the vibes wuz right .
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#60153 - 09/09/01 12:19 AM
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Madhu, we nah always agree, but we see eye to eye on this, them is ah bunch ah jokers, and bigots...Hitler thought like dem dey.
MORE FIRE to blood.....!
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#60154 - 09/09/01 12:41 AM
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A true BustaMante thought Eric Williams was a bigga youth than him why we having this conversation right now but that is another story. I respect and am in favor of a caribbean federation.
If we can have a UWI that serves the region is it a big step to imagine a FAWI (Football Acadamy of the West Indies?) that serves the region also? It would be more likely to happen if the whole caribbean get together on this but we will have to have a campus in JA. A FAWI would be good for the region and would be vital in improving the level of ball in the region. The truth is that the whole region has to improve in order to bring Jamaica's level of ball where it needs to be in order to comepete at the WC level. We should not be happy with just qualifying for the WC final we should give ourselves a chance to win.
I do hear you though zouse, Warner speaketh with a forked toungue and I don't trust him either. If we coloborate with him we have to watch our pockets. They simply see that we have something special in Jamaica and them want fi fren wi up and hope it rubs off. But a FAWI would be mutually benificial to both countries and the region. We need it!
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#60155 - 09/09/01 12:58 AM
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binza
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Truetrini spoken like a true illiterate my friend at no time did i make a personal attack on you, but since you want to go their
here go's, did you mention something about getting your doctorate degree? if the answer is yes!! then i find it a little odd because you come across like a lowlife..
Don't be a punk you pan beating iguana eating bastard and personally i dont care if Warner drops dead tommorow this guy only cares about TNT and himself no one else.
Warner did'nt create anything this was inevitable Jamaica played with pride and a lot of heart something TNT lacks, thats how we got to France.
And for the fool who said they just want to see Dwarika, Yorke, Pepe and Nandi drop ball in Japan/Korea, so would i the only difference is that we play our own style.
Would not want to see Pepe play like Yorke or Bibi play like Dwarika what makes soccer so beautiful is the different style or brand of soccer each country plays, piling everyone togather in one or two locations so we can plot the same course is somewhat troubling to me.
What are the ramifications from this if one team in the region sinks that means we all go down i just can't subscribe to that idea!! total rubbish..
Contrary to popular believe this is what i read from a european magazine" EU is a supranational form of monopoly capitalism, designed to allow the maximum freedom for capital while restricting the rights of labor..
The EU also serves another international purpose, the loss of direct empires has circumscribed the power of exploitation of the old imperialist centers: they now hope to revive their fortunes by pooling resources, and so reimposing upon the thirdworld conditions of total dependency.
Please dont get me wrong i'm a capitalist at heart all i am trying to say is this one world concept is not the end all for everyone.
Truetrini i'm not mad at cha but yes i have been visiting the TNT site and when your over there you dont rebuff a lot of the nonsense that they say about jamaicans, then again that is not your responsibility, just know that other people are reading that stuff too.
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#60156 - 09/09/01 01:04 AM
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binza
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Truetrini spoken like a true illiterate my friend at no time did i make a personal attack on you, but since you want to go their
here go's, did you mention something about getting your doctorate degree? if the answer is yes!! then i find it a little odd because you come across like a lowlife..
Don't be a punk you pan beating iguana eating bastard and personally i dont care if Warner drops dead tommorow this guy only cares about TNT and himself no one else.
Warner did'nt create anything this was inevitable Jamaica played with pride and a lot of heart something TNT lacks, thats how we got to France.
And for the fool who said they just want to see Dwarika, Yorke, Pepe and Nandi drop ball in Japan/Korea, so would i the only difference is that we play our own style.
Would not want to see Pepe play like Yorke or Bibi play like Dwarika what makes soccer so beautiful is the different style or brand of soccer each country plays, piling everyone togather in one or two locations so we can plot the same course is somewhat troubling to me.
What are the ramifications from this if one team in the region sinks that means we all go down i just can't subscribe to that idea!! total rubbish..
Contrary to popular believe this is what i read from a european magazine" EU is a supranational form of monopoly capitalism, designed to allow the maximum freedom for capital while restricting the rights of labor..
The EU also serves another international purpose, the loss of direct empires has circumscribed the power of exploitation of the old imperialist centers: they now hope to revive their fortunes by pooling resources, and so reimposing upon the thirdworld conditions of total dependency.
Please dont get me wrong i'm a capitalist at heart all i am trying to say is this one world concept is not the end all for everyone.
Truetrini i'm not mad at cha but yes i have been visiting the TNT site and when your over there you dont rebuff a lot of the nonsense that they say about jamaicans, then again that is not your responsibility, just know that other people are reading that stuff too.
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#60157 - 09/09/01 03:41 AM
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....the promise land, journey to the promise land,
tha prooommise land!
journey to the promise land..
whol aan nuh,
whey yuh sey terminator, get back to the point?
all right, fire pon TRuetrini and any thoughs of a caribbean football academy! Can't even start a professional league in the islands, much more a football academy...damn.
Hey!! Maybe Truetrini is just tired of Jamaica kicking trinidad's ass all around the caribbean, so he wants an academy to secretly study Jamaica. Pity he dosn't know, that's just the way it is, Jamaica will never stop kicking T&T's ass, even its them alone we beat.
Mi proud eeh.
Yuh seeit!
Academy nuh cut it Truetrini, stress the facilities, discipline and the coaching.
Can you imagine if york wasn'y such a fake?
Can you imagine if Bibi and Co. was disciplined enough to stay away from partying hours before a match?
Can you imagine if Clovis was a bit more tactical and anti-Sandi lowe like Simoes?
If you still can't imagine, try this;
Can you imagine the great brazil now scurrying to build an academy?
Who kicked T&T's ass in the last gold cup again? Canada!! Can you imagine them too?
Once again, Academy nuh cut it Truetrini, stress the facilities, discipline and the coaching. Fi real, and drop a few intl matches in the mix...
Far less expensive, easier to maintain, no battyman to mix with, seeit deh, yuh gone clear.
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#60158 - 09/09/01 03:50 AM
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zouse
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Rdad, as soon as you get over 802.11 and figure out bluetooth, check me, i'll get you a job right here!!
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#60159 - 09/09/01 10:10 AM
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An even better name would be the Football Institute of the West Indies. Then we could all relate to it because a FIWI.
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#60160 - 09/09/01 10:45 AM
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truetrini
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That is what i would like to see the hell with TNT and Jack Warner and Globalization..
Binza...dem your words?
I have no feelings for TNT they can go to hell!!!!!
Dem your words? You go to hell you black nazi!
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#60161 - 09/09/01 10:47 AM
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truetrini
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Binza...you is ah fassi! cho! My wife is Jamaican, my kids are too, according to the criteria Jamaica uses to get 95% of their ballers!
Go to hell..you arte a nazi!
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#60162 - 09/09/01 02:58 PM
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I do not see a Caribbean football academy working. Where is the funding going to come from ? Do you all know about the funding problems other regional bodies have ? eg UWI.How many of you know about the problems experienced by UWI because of various territories failing to honour their obligations to the institution?. T&T and Ja will constantly be at loggerheads over who should take control. Trini's seem to always have a complex when it comes to dealing with Jamaicans. In fact I would go as far as saying T&T would go for a U of T&T were it not for the fact they would not get the recognition UWI has.
Lets look at what has happened over recent years in CARICOM. Jamaica eager to promote Caribbean integration implemented Common External Tariff (CET) reduction as agreed. Others including T&T did not follow suit. The result was that their goods flowed into Jamaica while Jamaican exporters had severe problems accessing their markets. It started with soft drinks, Busta and Chubby were in every corner of Ja, while Bigga had to be seeking ministerial intervention to get aroud barriers to export especially in Barbados. The result was that our local D&G lost market share in the soft drink market and later fell into foreign hands (Guiness international)
It does not make sense to befriend a country if the friendship begins and ends at those heads of government talk shops. Trinis feel they are better and richer so let them go to hell.
Lets face the facts English speaking Caribbean has a population of approx 6 mil of this amount 2.6 are (alomst half are in Ja earning a measly per capita income of approx $1200 US) This trade pact will have virtually no purchasing power. What can one do for the other ? Nothing. our only hope is to as a unifed group try to get NAFTA parity.
I believe whether football, political or economic integration will not work with Jamaica in it. The rest of the caribbean seem to believe they are different and are also geographically very far away so lets forget this relic of the early post colonial era.
My view is that we should be trying to foster stronger ties with Cuba our nearest and most sincere neighbour. Take my word if we don't, in a few years we will regret it. As the Cuban economy begins to rise up there will be more and more potential for opportunities for both countries. In fact it's not just Cuba,we should be looking at our Spanish speaking neighbours rather than maintaining some loyalty born out of colonial ties.
If we have a joint football academy with Cuba it will work anything else I see a flop because we wiil not take a back seat to T&T.
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