Much respect as usual. I have noticed how alot of us shy away from this topic, not wanting to comment on it, it seems. Like I have said before and you have said, "The truth hurts" and besides whoever the cap fits, let them wear it.
It is no secret what damage politics and politicans has done to bring our beloved country to what it is today. I am just like you are, I am not afraid to speak up on this issue, because we are only fooling ourselves if we believe this is any secret to the world and as a matter of fact, this is why we cannot find a solution to this politically, motivated and derived pattern of behavior in our country. We all just sweep it under the rug whenever it comes up for discussion hoping that by some miracle it will go away. It was not by miracle that we started fighting each other over party politics and it's definitely not going to disappear by some miracle.
Another thing, like I heard either you, (Jt) or (SO) once said. We love to watch the democratic processes of other countries un-folding before our eyes but yet we fail to practice it ourselves. We hang on to political party members and use them as demagogue not for the work they are doing, but for cheap hand outs come election time all in the name of politics. Therefore killing our brothers and sisters for nickel and dimes instead of trying to help each other to build up infrastructures for our children and their children to come. We forever continue to be illeterate and arrogant to the atrocites that are committed by these politicians, setting us against each other.
The politicians of our nation are a wicked set of people, I can tell you that much and once again, I am not afraid to voice my opinion. They are the ones that brought in these guns and set us against each other to totally destroy each other, just so a handful of them can stay in power. They are in no ways better than the dictators of this world and we just sit back as a people doing nothing about it, yet we boast ourselves as being some of the smartest and most intelligent people in the world. Right, so preposterous.
The system instilled by the government from a early age brought with it a sense of prejudice. By this I mean, when we were going to school we were led to believe by the politicians, who passed this down to our parents, that if you(children) do not graduate from school being a doctor, a lawyer or a teacher, you had no place in the society. Yes, if you are not a white collar worker in the Jamaican society then you are a DOG. This is what we have been led to believe. These idiots, not knowing that not all of us can be all of the above.
Third world countries do not want people who are going to go to work every day, sit around a desk as big as the room it occupys and pick finger nails all day, doing manicures and pedicures contributing nothing to society, enhancing production and future success and growth of the nation. What third world countries need are: mechanics, carpenters, builders, plumbers and tradesmen of every art, to build up infrastructures and keep production going. We need farmers to grow crops to feed the nation so that children do not have to go to school hungry and deficient and by so doing establishing a sense of independence. Yes, we run around saying how independent we are, independent mi GRANNY and wi caan feed wi self !!!
The politicians do absolutely nothing to mobilize the people, you hear me!!. I remember when I was a boy, my daddy use to plant every crop known and when it came time to reap he had was to feed fifty percent of it to the pigs he raised at that time, simply because there was not a system in place nor the necessary infrastructure to take his produce from him at the same time giving him a just reward/ compensation so that he could go away feeling happy.
If given the chance, I could run Jamaica successfully, productively and efficiently believe me gentlemen. I could make us truly self reliant. Don't fool yourselves, these politicians know what to do, but they will not do it. They rather to keep the people arrogant, ignorant and confused to serve their own selfish gains. I got to run before my boss comes by, there is alot more I would like to say but I cannot right now. Peace.
Jamaicans, our county will not get beyond this if we don't discuss it. This is a very important topic.
I wonder why so many of us are afraid to discuss this topic. Maybe it is some form of psychosis, we avoid it because it a source of so much pain. Well, hiding it under the rug is not going to change anything.
I just read a post about how "Great Jamaicans are". While I do understand the sentiments expressed in the thread I can't help but to wonder "why all those great Jamaicans live elsewhere and not in Jamaica". Well, it's because Jamaica not so hot. The politics and economy of Jamaica stinks. That's why you have so many Jamaicans living in so many places around the world; they are Jamaica's polical and economic refugees. Everybody a run lef' Jamaica go a "foreign".
Just the other day I heard that PJ wants a meeting with all the "area DONs". Wha' him a go tell them? Sorry for the guns we gave you. Sorry the economy is in such shambles that the only hope you see is in a life of crime? The best way for PJ to talk to these DONs is to improve the economy so the youths can seek meaningful employment. Improve the political climate so they are free to "roam this open country".
Roots this is an important topic you need to be heard on this one. Man like Maximus, JT, Rudi, Russian, Jah B, BigFan, ShaggyBear, StrongBroda, General, Assasin, MikeU, Lincoln... Scholars like Double B.
Forums like these can do a wealth of good towards healing our little country. That's why I can't "fire bun this internet".
I think maximus is on the football trial he spoke about....Ddread I will give an answer,but it's my bedtime over here in london...lick it back 2moro...seen
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Yes Ddread..My view on the influence politics has on crime and violence!!! Now I really have to think as its easier to jus jump on a topic after reading others...but still...from your question what immediately springs to mind is the shooting of Bob Marley up at Hope Road..... In one sense I would be led to believe the three,Politics,Crime and Violence are not connected but the other four senses tell me otherwise...A thin line....In Jamaica a thin line....I hold the opinion that older Jamaicans in general and the privaledged are indoctrined in such a way thet they are still living English values which means trust the government..But like the British the Jamaicans are being robbed and they feel powerless...The younger generation are more violent(angry)Children learn what they live,so we jus have kids being born that are angry but they dont know at what exactly but the first anger was against the establishment that gave us the gospel and took the riches.... So mismanagement(jamaican politics) on one side and anger(violence) on the other...Crime is the only thing they have in common...And so the ordinary set of Jamaicans that make Jamaica run and develop live with the crime,put up with the ignorance created by depriving the easily led and weak and keep quiet bcoz of fear.. The Government has not done anything much to develop Jamaica,invest in Jamaica and its people and so some turn to crime..And so some of the general public turn to crime,the government politics promotes crime and the anger(violence)of the new generation breeds crime. Its jus a never ending spiral...deprivation,bad education unless you have money,indiscipline,no real opportunities,and no direction and not enough real obtainable ambitions,endless poverty,no inspiration,no investments,no real meaningful infrastructure,greed and america worshipping and too much churches and prayer...And thats jus the start...
The political system passed down from the British is not right for our little island the crime would ease if hope was restored and educating,implementing and restoring proper values to the young by promoting Jamaica and not foreign minds...Violence to me is not really an issue as Jamaicans on a whole are a peaceful people and the few that choose violence do so out of ignorance and anger..
So why do you ask Ddread??
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JT...how are you my firend, I hope you and yours are okay and well. I will answer your question posed to Ddread;but first I must say how deeply upset I am at this moment.
I implore you to go to website http://www.the Jamaica-gleaner.com and read about this business man Shim, who was shot and killed last night in front of his four (4) year old son in what seems to be a robbery attempt.
What kind of a barbaric, un-civilized, dense and draconian people we have living in the Jamaican society, can somebody tell me ? Can you imagine how terrified, horrified and mentally disturbed that poor little child must be, having seen his dad shot dead right in front of his eyes without a cause ? Something drastically needs to be done immediately to curb this rampant and beast like behavior of these hooligans in the society. Pretty soon every sane person will be either killed, maimed or abused violently. These mother@#$% committing these crimes needs to be shot, thrown in a pit and flushed with shit as far as I am concern. Gosh ! I am so upset you would never know.
Now to answer your question posed to Ddread. I could see what took place in Belgrade, Yoguslavia happening in Jamaica but not in the same light. By this I mean...not with such intent and patrioticsm. I could see Jamaicans participating in a revolt siding with partisan, party politics and politicians, I cannot see them acting in a manner for the betterment of the whole country and not just one party or segment of people, they are not ready for that yet and will never be. The people of Belgrade act in an intelligent and patriotic manner for the betterment of the whole country. They realize that they have in their midst a Tyrant, a dictator, a despot call it what you will, who will try to hang on to power at any cost but the people say hey !, we will have none of this. Now that is what I call galvanized and far reaching togetherness for the betterment of the whole and not the part.
I cannot see my people doing that. Some of us profess to be such great patriots;but the truth is most of us only swear allegiance to ackee and saltfish. We fight everyday not against those who are oppressing us but against each other over mackerel and saltfish head.
JT...did you watch the vice-presidential debate last night on television between the two nominees for the democrats and the Republicans ? Did you see how warm and civilize these two men were to each other? Did you see the way they were hugging each other after the debate, walking around exchanging plesantries with their supporters and well wishers ? Let me ask you this, do you think you would at anytime see this taking place between our leaders ?. This is what I call INTELLIGENCE at it's best my friend and this is what I pray to see happening in my country one of these days.
I don't see this happening though. It will take some divine intervention for this to ever happen. We are much too cold and callous to each other for this kind of a atmosphere to ever emerge in our midst as far as politics is concern. We can't even sit down and have meaningful dialogues to come up with solutions to our problems without becomming abusive to each other, violent and intimidating. Calling each other all kinds of names, characterizing each other at will. May God have mery upon us I pray.
The reason why I asked was to get your point of view. Most people here seems scared to touch this topic. I think a discussion on this can only be good, that's why I asked. As I thought, you had a perspective worth sharing. BigUp!
I hear what you are saying about the 'nowadays youths' not really being connected with politics, but somehow I feel that the ills of '76 and '80 elections are hurting us as a society to this very day.
If real Jamaican history was thought in high schools Jamaica would be a much better place. My experience with history in school was just a collection of names and dates. Rote, rote, rote, no real substance or discussions.
I had discover Marcus on my own. I had to discover real Jamaican history on my own. The purpose of history is not just to get a GCE but for us to gain an understanding of the past. If the examing board is foriegn then our youths are forced to get a foreign conception of their own history. That's why I was much in favor of the CXE move but it didn't really panned out as I thought it would. Knowledge of national history builds national pride and purpose. Show me a society that is rich in national pride and I will show you a country with a rich sense of it's history.
(I know the history bit sound like I 'n I jumped on a tangent but it really is germain, trus' mi!)
No JT, with the situation in Jamaica right now Jamiacans would not ouster a slogoDON. we would keep him in power and if he gives half of us guns and mony we would kill the other half. We would never oust a slogoDON until "our backs are against the wall."
Dart I hear you loud and clear bro'. You have a right to be deeply upset at the moment.
Yes my brothers Dart and Ddread...completely agree with all them arguments especially the history argument....Well guys it is so sad that we cant let our voices and strenghth be felt without turning against each other..Sorta reminds me of an argument my dad always had..."BLACK PEOPLE ARE LIKE CRABS IN A BUCKET...AS ONE TRY FI CLIMB OUT,A NEXT ONE DRAG HIM BACK"
but secretly Dart and Dread,I think as our generation begin to invest more(time,thoughts,money,ideas,dreams,etc) into jamaica,u never know...The fear of death amongst our people I suppose is far greater than those white people in Yugoslavia.(some might call it the love of life..heh heh...
But I have a dream,that by any means necessary ,seven miles of black stars.....fi real....More time my brothers...
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Yes pdart...I did check out the gleaner article yu chattin bout....Hopefully as the yute get older it will become easier for him..And b4 somebody say mi too cold,a similar event has occured in my life so I understand probably more than others.....
Excuse mi...football report... me gawn...hey unuh here keegan quit after losing...
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