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#59889 - 01/09/01 10:27 AM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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David Johnson is a sometimish fraud. Only looking out for himself. Maybe nothing wrong with that but there is something to be said about loyalty. You can't trust a man who is only thinking about himself. While he may still be effective on the field I can't help but think that he is treating our team like it is a second rate consolation. Do we really want someone like that on the team?
I can only see him as someone who does not want to be there. How will that affect our spirit.
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#59890 - 01/09/01 11:09 AM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Quite interesting topic, Pearl, has been injured therefore he has a legitimate claim for loss of form although he would have to prove his scoring ability to start but should claim his place in the squad. Tappa in himself has been performing although has had a few niggling injuries himself is the most creative and equipped to play at his current position. If he would be replaced who is there to take up the mantle. To play in traffic requires skill, vision and a secure foot to always start/stabilize an attack. Traits like these are not found easily, case and point GC where his injury left an unreplacable void in the creative role. There is one player who has the credentials to fulfil this role and he will take the mantle and that is Bibi I believe, for now though he will be the thorn on the left. Pearl one cannot write off a striker because injuries has decimated his form. He has been through a torrid few months and is gradually working his way back. David Johnson whom does not believe in committing to the cause at the preliminary stages of the competition is playing the waiting game like Gayle and will be eager to join once we qualify, to which I say, "Once bitten twice shy". With five strikers within the squad at present Nana, Willy Boo, Deon, Harris and Pearl the competition is at its peak. Willy Boo is my bwoy still because I believe he is the future. The inclusion of the Englished based players, there are but a few which I would love to see in the mix but there clubs have seemed to thrawted that revival namely Darren Moore, Michael Johnson, whom seem to have put club before country. Fitzroy Simpson and Jamie Lawrence are the two whom I believe are needed the most. With Simpson, showing renewed interest after unceremoniously retiring from the team. Although Micah Hyde has been speculated and would be a great inclusion in my opinion for his high workrate to compliment Powell.
With this all said we are being once again underrated by all the sports journalists and writers and this is a blessing in disguise.
Allowing us the same role as the last time, being the underdogs, this label we are use to in all walks of life and this time they all will be in for a rude awakening of enormous proportions.

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#59891 - 01/09/01 12:52 PM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Mr.Dart I think you lick the nail on the head concerning these players. I believe that DJ. should never get another chance to wear a reggae boyz shirt, only if he buys it. Tapper now?? He is one of the players that need to give we a break, because he is always playing good in a match for his club, then the next week he performs dismally for his country. Boyd now?? He is bad lucky right now, but give him time he will be very dangerous in the coming months. We need to strenghen the midfield nooowwww. Remember that all English base players cannot be in the middle because this will be a big mistake, so TD. if you read this point dont make that mistake please.
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#59892 - 01/09/01 08:50 PM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Laari..That is a good point...An english midfield could be disasterous...

But thinking about our situation,how will we get around such a situation if Whitmore does not perform.

As I believe the 5-3-2 is what we have to keep working with we may end up with an all english connection midfield...

I say no to DJ also....But no pint..his exclusion from Ipswich is nothing to do with racism.There are other black guys playing for Ipswich but something is happening...Rumours are that they were selling him to Portsmouth.

But let DJ be a lesson to all people...Live good and good will follow U.Dis your people and sell your soul then expect them to forgive U,without even a sorry...Let him wait for Wales,Scotland or England to call him...Let him stay and believe his own hype.He has talent but he aint that good.
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#59893 - 01/09/01 11:30 PM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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i agree that boyd is lazy and old but remember this, burton in the world cut didn't prove that he was capable of rising to the occation. so not because these players may live or play abroad that means they are any better than or local players. Burton in all three world cup games was missing in action he did not get one shot at goal compare to that of boyd.All our local players need is better financial backins,better playing facilities ,better coaching staff not teams whic are run by notorious men example tivoli gardens. We have to remember jamica has all the talent it needs to win a world cup we just need to look in the right plces at the wright people i dont belive in importing players. We have 14 pariches to choose from.
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#59894 - 01/10/01 09:48 AM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Alot of you do not value movement without the ball as you should. I do not diagree that Boyd is skillful, when he is going left. And we can not afford to have Whitmore missing in action for 90 minutes. What I am suggesting to maximize is contrubutions is to limit his play to one half. And eliminate Boyd all together. When you are at one stage of development(reggae boyz) you need and display certain skills. You require a teacher of certain skills to aid in your development(Boyd). when you advance this teacher's abilities are not the best for your new requirements and so you need a new teacher with different skills to bring you to another level(Bibi, Burton,etc). This is where the Reggae boyzs are. They have moved to another level thanks to the contributions of Boyd and others and it is time to change the mix if we desire to move up.
With Boyd JA can score spectacular goals but not easy goals. The reason for this is that he is almost never in a position for easy goals. He doesn't move without the ball. Patrick Klivert is someone you should all watch. He is always moving on an offencive attack trying to positon himself for the easy goal and he is always heavily marked.

In the next round it will be harder. We can not expect to score goals with the forwards getting the ball at midfield and trying to beat the defence from there all the time. The forwards must have off the ball running to get passing near the box to do damage.
In the world cup Burton was not noexistent. In the croatia game right after they scored the second goal he got a header that just passed the post by inches. Would have changed that game if it had gone in. Throught out the world cup the Midfield played poorly and we had to play long ball which when done not on a quick counter is not effective. Surpirsingly the best we played was the first half against Argentina until Powell's madness took over. We need to score easy goals and Boyd just does not give us that possibility. This is why forwards and midfield has to change. Lowe and Fuller in lineup changes forwards. Bibi's improvement,eliminating Powell from starting 11 and restricting Whitmore to 1/2 if not on his game and adding some hard running, tackling young players will change midfield.

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#59895 - 01/10/01 10:20 AM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Bwoy the Tappa issue kind of complicated.

Tappa has not played a good game for Jamaica since the fiasco where he got hurt and the JFF refused treating him claiming that he got hurt during a club game. Remember when he was "missing" and they were looking for him? I think he gave up on the JFF back then. That's why you hear him talking about passing the mantle to younger players. He does not want to snub the JFF publicly but clearly his heart is not in it anymore.
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#59896 - 01/10/01 06:31 PM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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I think that Boyd and Whitmore will find their shape again, but the question is for
how long that time... In my eyes constancy is the result of hard work, and we all know that
this is not Boyd's strength.
My comment on the Johnson issue is that the
JFF should not be running after him, but IF
he's REALLY willing to play for Jamaica this
time, IF he knows that it was a mistake to treat Jamaica and all Jamaicans like he did,
IF he realises that Jamaica is his motherland
and IF he's got that fire deep inside hisself
that makes him proud to run, sweat and fight
for Jamaica, to give everything he has,
THEN he should be back in the national dress.
BUT it's on him to go to the JFF and it must be clear that nobody wants a football - soap opera again. If you invite him to train with
the squad and talk with him, you will see if
he's motivated and you'll be able to decide.
After all, I think human beings can think - and change theirselves. The question is:
Did David Johnson do that?

P.S: Sorry for all the "if"s :-)

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#59897 - 01/10/01 08:35 PM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Thats a god post Faby....I think I will retract my views about him...DJ...and if he approaches and show the vibes of which you speak my German friend,then I jt will extend the hand of forgiveness.

Long live the Reggae Vibes..
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#59898 - 01/11/01 06:20 AM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Before we critise DJ we must remember and understand who he is!
He is a young man with hugh potential.He knows it as do we.
A former man utd trainee who played alongside the likes of david beckham, one of europes best players.He also played for the England b team and has been top scorer for Ipswich town for the past 3 seasons.These are big acheivements for a black man in England.
In my opinion his major asset is his mentality.This man knows nothing but success.Second best is unacceptable.His skill, ability and acheivements are a product of this.
When he played for Jamaica ,thats all they were, second best without showing much potential.Since his departure and clovis's enstatement, we lost 2 managers and have been nonimpressive.
I consider him to be intelligent to have forseen this. He's grown up alongside winners.He will know what it takes.
Is he a bandwaggonist? i Quote him "questions have been asked about how I ,with no obvious links to Scotland can show the same passion as a footballer born and bred here.At Ibrox last night I saw a Rangers team made up of many foreign players who gave 100% for the club.I do not see why this should be different for me at international level".
In my opinion ,yes, he is a bandwaggonist,but he wishes to earn his success.if he was eligible to play for papau new guinea and he choose them over jamaica to help their cause wouldn't u call him a fool.Every worldclass successful footballer seeks to play at the highest levels and win medals. such a player gives 100% all the time ,but will only join a team with potential.Jamaica if anything, is a means by which he can do this and are again showing thier potential,but this is also true for every other Jamaican player.How many people wanted to play for Jamaica prior to the Simoes administration when they were going nowhere? Remember the days when cricket was running ting's.
To summerise the man eat ,drink and sleep success,therefore he will give 100% but he cannot play for a second class team if better options are available.From his perspective it makes no sense.
If he plays for jamaica again i think he will be doping it more for his own interest than Jamaica's but he will give it 100%this can only be good for Jamaica.Forgive the man and bring him back.

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#59899 - 01/11/01 01:45 PM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Mr.Baron, hear dis if a nan no think Jamaica is a first class team in his heart we DO NOT NEED HIM! Regardless of personal views the nation takes priorty over all and everthing. Only FAMILY may superceed this. Personally I do not see the hype for DJ. "Its nice to be important, but more important to be nice". A person like DJ will play half hartedly in games because it does not have the same importance as it should. I prefer play with 11 zesty players than 10 zesty and 1 half hearted exceptional player. He will be a liability therefore being the weak link to all stability within the TEAM. If a BWOY GWAAN LIKE HIM WAAN DIS WE, HIM CAAN COME BACK A YARD AN FEEL SAFE. HIM CAN DONT PLAY THAT A FI HIM BUSINESS BUT IF HIM DIS YARD...
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#59900 - 01/11/01 02:49 PM Re: CAN WE AFFORD BOYD AND WHITMORE
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Look like him send you with a message Red Baron...

Hear wha...Fly back and tell him this....The other jamaicans started the Jamaican team....They believed in the jamaican team....They had dreams jus like dJ....but they sacrificed....English support from the likes of Simpson and Burton and Hall was honest and true...All these people wanted to play for Jamaica..They never sold thier soul.....
David Johnson is a mercenary....The sucker is simple and plain.....If he now wants to play for Jamaica...Jus be a man and simply apologise.
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