POsted for discussions. Has Boyds time come and gone. I feel that it has. Ja has the benifit of 2 excellent forwards, assuming Lowe is a lock, Burton, Fuller and even Harris. Has I have posted elsewhere Boyd does not do enough to beet out these two and his inclusion to the team prevents the development of the team over the long haul. Whitemore is similar except that there is no one capable of challenging him for his spot. When he is on his game he is magical but displays it too infrequently and for far too short a time. The team can not carry 2 aging limited running non tackling players and expect to win World cup games.
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I agree with you 100%. Additionally we need to get some of the overseas players back in the team or else we will not make it. The local talent while promising, just cant mek the grade. I call for the return of Sinclair and Simpson if he changes his mind. On adition to those, we need Lawrence to play the right side of the midfield and I personally would welcome David Johnson. Maybe now that he is not in Ipswich 1st eleven, he may be a little more humble. Bottom line is that we dont have a striker of his ability apart from Burton and Burton is a on again off again type of player. Jamaica will never reach with Nadi Lowe as the main striker unless his attitude and workrate changes. He is too easy to mark out of a game. Size is not all. Beware...we seem to be happy on the lacklustre firstround victries. I hope the Coach dont fall in that trap because, frankly the side nuh ready yet!!!!
David Johnson should never play for Jamaica. If you don't demonstrate some pride in yourself no one will have pride in you. How can Jamaica demand more commitment from her players when she will persue people who has spurn her. David Johnson NEVER!NEVER!NEVER! Unlike some of the other Brittish players he was born ya! NEVER! NEVER!EVER!
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I BELIEVE WE ARE WRITING BOYD AND WHITMORE OFF JUST TOO QUICKLY. ALL PLAYERS GO THROUGH THEIR UPS AND DOWNS, INCLUDING DAVIDS AND PAPIN JUST TO NAME A FEW. YOU ALL HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WHEN THE PEARL IS AT A 100% HE IS JAMAICA'S BEST PLAYER. WHY DO YOU THING ALL THE OTHER COACHES IN THIS REGION FEAR HIM. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT ALL OF US SHOULD PRAY THAT THE PEARL RETURNS TO HIS OLD FORM BECAUSE HE WILL BE A GREAT ASSET TO JAMAICA.
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Andy can you post this article for us or at least some of it. It would be interesting to see what DJ say. I am one who think DJ is not needed because of his behavior, of treating countries like club but I still would like to see if he has learned anything.
Clarkini.... you are so right my brother.We need to offer words of PRAYER and SUPPORT for the players who are in a bad patch,don't right them off.With a FIT Boyd and Whitmore in the squad giving 100%,I am sure many of you guys will EAT your words.At the present moment we definately need a few English base players to strengthen the squad,because the local players a not rising to the occasion when called upon.
ALOT OF US IS WRITING BOYD OFF. BUT WHAT ALL OF US DON'T KNOW IS THAT BOYD IS INJURED AT THE MOMENT,SO ASK YOURSELF THIS HOW IS HE SUPPOSED TO PLAY UP TO 100%.AND WITH TAPPA HE IS ONE OF THE BEST MIDFIELD JAMAICA HAS RIGHT NOW EXCEPT FOR YOUNG ANDY WILLIAMS.SO IN CONCLUSIONS JUST GIVE THE MAN THEM TIME TO RECOVER REMEMBER NO ONE IS PERFECT, IN THIS WORLD WE ALL HAVE UPS AND DOWNS.
It is not a matter of Boyd's fitness but his complete game. I am assuming that he would be healthy and at his best. However, his inability to move without the ball with the presence of another rigid forward on the field spells only disaster. I think it is safe to say most agree Lowe is a lock at one forward position. With Burton and Fuller available Boyd is luxury JA can not afford. It is not that he is no good but rather his paring with whom is available is just not the best combination for the team. Whitmore can be the most devastating player outside of South America. He just does not show it enough. Whenever you put together a team you must select not just the best players but also who works best together. The sum is greater than all it parts is what every coach strives for when they select players(or they should). Boyd does not deliver this. Think of the other players on the field and their limitations and you might get my point.
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we don't need to write off blacka boyd so soon.remember a lot of us wrote off nandi lowe,look what he did for his country.when walter is on his game he is our most complete stricker.he has it all,control,shooting and ball skill.his work rate is a lot better since he went to england.
BOY I FEEL SAY WALTER HAVE A FEW MORE GOALS LEFT OFF THAT LEFT FOOT I DONT KNOW IF THE ITES THEM ARE AWARE THAT HE SCORE A GOAL AND CREATE ANOTHER FOR HIS CLUB SOCOND TEAM SOMETIME LAST WEEK SO I DONT SEE WHY HE CAN PRODUCE FOR JAMAICA THE PEOPLE MUST JUST KEEP A COOL HEAD AND PRAY FI HIM RECOVER FULLY FOR THE NEXT ROUND CAUSE HIM HAVE A PART TO PLAY IN THIS LAST ROUND IF IS EVEN OFF THE BENCH BECAUSE HIS PRESENSE ON THAT TEAM WILL FORCE NUFF TEAM TO BE MORE CAUTIOUS WHEN PLAYING JAMAICA WHICH WILL TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OUR DEFENSE TRUST ME WE WILL SEE A DIFFERNT BOYD
I will pray for Boyd but not to be in our starting 11...As don say...He hasn't gelled with the midfield or strike partner all season...He has 2 compete for his position as far as I am concerned.
But even if some of us are going to write off certain players,let us not jus discard them as they do elsewhere.
At least a testimonial and nuff nuff appreciation due for thier contribution to Jamaican soccer...
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We need all available parts to be fit and working well, to represent Jamaica. It is that simple. Boyd and Whitmore will be important parts, though i think they should not start, I am all in support of who the TD thinks are able to give us a win on FEB 28 and qualification from there on. Its all about supporting our BOYZ at this time.
i don't usually say much. but at times like this i feel like i must add my few words. in this case i will just remind you all of what someone else already said."we need a second eleven".boyd and witmore could play a major role helping to develop players of the future. not that they can't contribute now but we have to look at the future now.
Gentlemen, gentlemen sometimes we are too quick to write off a man because he is not producing all the time like we expect. This next round will be the toughest round Jamaica will have to play. Tougher than 1998. Everyone will be ready to play their best game against us this time. This is no place for the faint of heart or inexperienced. We need our best and most experience players for this round. Both Whitmore and Boyd NEED to be in the squad. Every striker goes through a period when he can't find the back of the net. When you are good other teams mark you a lot closer. Double team and tripple team. Knock you down every chance they get. You have to fight through it. Boyd is having a bad spell right now but he will be back. Whitmore is still a marshall in the midfield and he will bring his "A" game in the next round. LOWE will be marked closely in the next round. He will not have as easy a time as the first round. We will need a few others to step up right away to take the pressure off him. I expect BIBI, Burton and Whitmore to provide the necessary firepower. We have 10 games to play and injury can happen any time. Yes, we can afford both because the youths in the squad did not get the experience to play big games, especially away games. peace
Boyd does well under pressure...... just watch him in the second round,him nuh dun yet....nuff guy a go feel it...he has something to prove to all doubting thomnases........peace
Have you ever heard this saying,"what have you done for me lately !". This is a saying that is used in the professional arena very often. I have said it in the past and I will say it again, "consistency makes a professional". You cannot be a professional today and tomorrow you are something else, only if you plan on failing.
I say all of this in view of Walter Boyd and Theodore whittmore. Gentlemen, call it what you will or believe what you will;but in my mind these guys lack the will and competitive edge of a true professional. It is true that these men are plagued with injuries;but we just cannot rely on this as any form of excuse for their mediorcity and lack of meaningful and productive contribution to the team since of late ! We simply can't.
We have to find people who will step up to the challenge at all time, we cannot carry people simply on their pass performance and achievements. This is a new era, 1998 wc was then 2002 wc is the future, so what are we going to do. Are we going to try and forge away to the next level based on past performance, or we are going to MAKE it happen.
Sometimes as a people, we make our emotions stand in the way of progress. I have seen this happen too often. This is particularly true where our politics is concern. We often times make demagogues out of tyrants, loving them because of little known past glories and not for what they are doing for the country collectively on an on going basis. We better be careful we don't end up like the west indies team, now is the time to look for young bloods to fill the vacuum or the void left vacant by the Boyd's and the Whittmore's. These guys have done their very best for Jamaica and their Jamaican fans and for this they should be commended;but I will say if they cannot produce any longer,it is time for them to step and make room for younger, fresh blood.
Another thing to look at is that we need to have a much larger player pool, because let's face facts. These gentlemen are only human, what if they should really get sick, God for bid and cannot play for Jamaica anymore, what would we do ? I also see where people continue to gripe about David Johnson, who the hell is David Johnson ? If the man do not want to play for Jamaica, let him go about his business ! He is not Mr. indispensable, any company or business that is ran by Mr. indispensable is in bad shape and is bound to fall one way or the other. A man is just a man and I believe if any player with any amount of talent if given the proper training and the right tools and motivation can be just as good as Mr. Johnson or better.
I will stop at this for now it's getting late and I have to rise early as usually to go go running my five miles. Peace.
You are exactly right Dart. We must also realize that time is of the essence. There is not much time and room for error as the second round is upon us. If Boyd and Whitmore are not ready, willing, or able, then we must insert those players who will give us the best chance to win. We must move away from the favoritism and blind loyalty that we have displayed in the past. I am in no hurry to write off anyone, but a what point do you "cut and run"? certainly not before it's too late. If they rediscover their health,fitness,and form then by all means they should play.
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I did not tink I would find myself agreeing with JT but Boyd and Tappa not performing. Definitely they cant be in the starting eleven but can come off the bench to add some punch. Maybe give us a good 30 minutes when needed for instance in a lead and we need to maintain ball possession to keep the lead. Back to the David Johnson thing...True that he went back and forth about playing for Jamaica but that is understandable. While I dont agree with his attitude nor excuses, he will be a tremendous asset to the side and the Boyz can only be better with him in the team. This man is a scorer with skills. You dont have to like him or his reasons but if he is in the side, our chances of qualifying increaes. Now the coach would have many options to play at the striker position plus this man can score goals. His not starting for Ipswich could be an indication of the racism that simmers in European football or it could be other legitimate reasons why he is not starting. The fact remains that the Boyz dont have 2 better strikers than him. Nandi is greatly overated and this will be so obvious when we play tougher oppositions especially in away games. Again lets not be fooled by victories against CONCACAAF minnows like ST. Vincent. Ask yourself when last we had a good result away from the office.
