RHM reminds me of the same poeple that cause us to be in situation we're in now and all they can say is "we are in the situation because we lazy and want handouts". Could not have been further from the truth. The only thing we want handed to us is our country!
Guidance, what was the price per tonne for bauxite again? That is not even worth the environmental damages those HOLES doing to the island. We would be better off planting FERNS instead of digging gorges and add the "FERN gullies" to the tourists "points of interests" and charge then 5cients for the trip.
I remember the other day trini and shag a talk ova mi head 'bout "moslows hierachy of needs". When it is a struggle to survive you end up with "deals" that makes GOTTI say damn! Then we have people like RHM talking about the "deals WE made". I was not a part of those negotiations and neighter were my forward thinking bretherins but we still have to pay for it. Many of those "deals" are pre independence deals. What is the significance of that you ask? can you say "blue light special" on "native" resources?
Many of the so called IMF and world bank "loans" had cold war fever/flue associated with them. Governments were bribed, hoodwinked and sometimes pressured/threatened to take the loans so that the IMF could install thier "loan conditions" of market economy etc.
The "cold war" is now over and the objectives reached, ok. It is time for "native" peoples to pass laws making loans or parts of loans that can not be accounted for be transfered from the category of "national loans" to that of "personal loans" to the "officials" that signed them.
Herbie, boltonB and the rest of the "do good crew" we really don't want the IMF to issue any handouts we just ask for them to be fair. Those "loans" were not approved by our masses. I and the rest of my friends did not co-sign for those loans nor did we reap any benefits; but now we are forced to pay the interests. I know, we elected the crooks that took the loans right? No, we elected the guy we wanted. It was the crooks that your "democracies" (ScotlandYards and CIAs) hand picked to "run" our countries and keep us on your side of "cold wars" (that we cared nothing for) that did most of the looting and rukus that wrecked us.
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Chez, nuff respect. Your post are always informative, I think with the right supporting cast you could be of some great service to YARD. Ities how can we convert the wealth of knowledge and intelligence that is in such abundance on this forum to something tangible for YARD?
Can we formulate an interest group that positively impacts the political process in Jamaica?
There are some Good men among us. Chez, Guidance, Shaggy, Jah B, DDread, Trini, Rasputin, terminator, boltonbilly, Herb "look like yuh hav good heart", It is too many names to remember so will just say "all agents of change" lets rock the boat>
Thanks a lot nar, I try my best. Yes mauybe this discussion has run its course but when you see posts like those from RHM you want to take the bit between your teeth and respond.
However, I won't.
Men are born ignorant not stupid, it is education that makes us stupid - Bertrand Russell.
Respect Nar, yuh done know. Mi nuh have nutten more fi sey bout RHM, it's not worth it. It nuh tek nutten pon nuh gran scale fi mek a difference in this life. At the end of the day, when it's time for me to leave this earth, I can truly say that i did my little bit for my fellow man. Tek stock ah yuhself RHM, yuh fight down Jamaica, what have you done to make a difference in the Island where you were born? BTW, that was a rethorical question.
RHM, I understand the fellow 'ites remonstrations. Your tone is too harsh and, dare I say it, based on ignorance. I fully understand your points (I hear them all the time), but if you seek truth, you go about it clumsily. If you seek attention, well done, you've succeeded!
BTW, I would like to ask a non-rhetorical question: what have you done to improve the plight of your mother country?
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Respect Rasputin!
But the question was asked, what i have done for my country.
Well I have not done the following: Protested in the streets Donate money to the poor donated my time to ANY civic or social cause
but,
My family has operated a succesful business for many years that generated hundreds of thousands of dollars for jamaica's economy as well as foriegn exchange through export. And we also provided employment for, dozens of people at a time, from the Red Hills Road area.
And by interacting with people everyday in the US, I help discredit the image of Jamaicans being violent, uneducated, ignorant beggers.
The question my dear sir was, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR YOUR COUNTRY?(Not your family). Even though I should'nt let it, it is people like you who because you were fortunate enough to be able to live in the USA, forget where you came from and those less fortunate ones that you left behind. You always sound like someone who is terribly ashamed of where you are from. So many of us on this forum denounce all the evils and wrong doing that we see back home but that does not stop us from being patriotic and loving the country of our birth. It is at a time like this that I have to give props to Zouse because he has an unwavering love for our country. I've said my piece and will say no more. The forum exists for people to express their views and I guess your are entitled to yours.
It sounds like some arrogant PUNK and his family is reaping thousand of dollars off poor Jamaicans and making it rich in the name of what? Export? It seems as if they work magic and something appears everyday for export... Don't need the people or the country's help to do that. Hence his motto, "we help them, they don't help us".
Does money going into your "pocket" the new name for the Jamaican economy? Do you think we are all stupid? Do you think because you and your family is exploiting the country, makes you smarter than anyone else?
The only thing that makes us stupid, is giving people like you red-hills-crap, the ability to make a living in our country and live to call us arrogant. Count your blessings my friend and don't burn your bridges behind you.
You actually had the nerves to tell us that you and your family contributes to the Jamaican economy, but you do not donate to the poor. How ironic?
I AM JUST SO PISSED OF READING ALL YOUR CRAP! TAKE A HIKE DYKE! The world would be better without assholes like you.
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I hear about the loans from rich banks. I thought our shower of dog dirt had written off some loans. Is this not the case? Is it propaganda? Which banks are stills demanding repayments? If anyone knows please post them.
I believe it essential all debts to Ja are cancelled. But I actually thought some had been. Now is a good time to get all the other loans written off: get right up the backsides of the Western Boyz offering support etc for their war against terrorism on the condition all debts are removed.
Nar, thanks for the kind words, but yes there must be real practicle things that can be done because I find the talent, intelligence and considered thinking that is here a substantial force. Trust me I'm always thinking.
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Well I'll admit one thing...
Most of you people on this forum read every now and then.
But BIG MOUNTAIN, obviously you have never picked up a finance book and don't know the first thing about basic monetary policy in a FREE MARKET ECONOMY (Like Jamaica).
Any money (whether local or foriegn exchange) generated and then BANKED in that economy is literally CREATING MONEY for that economy, which helps everyone, rich and poor.
So people like you, who I'm sure keeps your life savings under your mattress, literally DESTROYS money by taking it out of the banking system.
I know many of you on this board usually disagree with me, but we are entitled to our opinions. However, the more educated members of this forum should know that what I have just described is factual, and I would appreciate atleast one of you admitting it to let us know that you can be objective.
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RHM, you seem to be a bitter person, maybe justifiably so base on personal experiences, but remember you are not the only one with unpleasant experiences. It is very important for you as an individaul to differentiate between criminal elements in the Jamaican society and the country Jamaica. You should be proud of your country the same way you are proud of another man's.
Personlly, I understand some of your comments about Jamaica but feel pity for some, especially the one about Jamaica should be only about getting a few browning to slap, that is derogatory and speaks alot to the individaul.
Jamaica needs positive visionaries, not angry negative individuals condemning. US was not the place it is today when the Mayflower arrived but hard work, dedicated individuals, SLAVERY, Jim Crow, desception, civil war, reconstruction, genocide(Indians), strong constitution and good fortunate, to name a few that brought them there.
RHM Jamaica as an independent nation is very young she has a lot to learn and most all she needs us. I remember a year a radio station from Houston interviewed the mayor of Montego Bay.
Question: Mr Mayor this is your oppertunity to tell variuos investors arround the world why they should invest in Montego Bay.
Mayor: I would like di investor to know that we in Montego Bay don't want Montego Bay to be what we call a concrete jungle but montego bay has opportunity for investment.
This guy while he may be a well meaning Jamaican obviously is deficient, that is where JA needs us RHM.
First of all Red-hills boy, you need to grow up! And don't tell me about economics or finances. I can guarantee that you have not, or ever will attain my level of education. I guess because you think that we are all stupid, you are trying to educate us. Most of us who have obtained our knowledge and wealth through hard work and dedication, have an appreciation for the things around us and where we came from. Unlike you who obtained everything in your life through legacy.
You are right! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but don't tell us that you are helping us, when you are in fact helping yourself. Please get it in your head - everyone understands the multiplier effect. However, whoever is at the top of the chain gains the bigger piece of the pie. And, in your case the people and the country gets the scraps.
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Herein lies the fallacy. "We all do not benefit" if we all benefitted then we would not be havin this conversation/discussion/quarrel about "rich and poor"
Originally posted by ddread: Herein lies the fallacy. "We all do not benefit" if we all benefitted then we would not be havin this conversation/discussion/quarrel about "rich and poor"
Quite right dd.
That's the worst description of capitalism I've ever read. There is greed in any system or structure of leadership, because the greed is with the people. That does not mean a particular sytem is based on greed.
I wanted money because I saw the oppotunities it would bring. In education for my daughters, holidays, Stella & football but I wouldn't call myself greedy. I feel I have worked hard and generated money for society as well as for myself.
If there was one ground rule for capitalism it would have to be trust. Trust that a £50 note in my pocket is worth the same as one in Herbies. That the £20 of internet charges provided by aol to Bolton Billy will be paid, and that when Mastercard have paid aol I will pay them. This isn't greed RHM.
Although I understand some of the points you've made during the last couple a pages, and I know some things may be facutally correct - so you have some reassurance. I personally think your manner of expression could be better and lets you down. If what you want is to get other people to understand your points, start thinking about them, possibly move their current view towards yours, you may find you have more luck with an easy chair and a cup of hot chocolate than a megaphone and a stick. Just a personal view.
[This message has been edited by boltonbilly (edited 09-24-2001).]
