Coach we need to draw on all our available players as you say,but i haven't seen where you have mentioned Boyd's name.Don't you have any interest in him at all?Why not take him into the Copa Cup and see what he has to offer?I have seen you trying with some players for awhile now and we are not getting the results,let us not pass up on our own.I would like you to really allow the young man to prove homself to you.There is only one forward in the squad who you or anyone could say can compete with a fit Walter and that is Onandi.We want to be in the world cup again,use all you have.
If I was the coach I would demand to be able to make that decision. When the team does not qualify it's my ass that gets fired. When the team does not win it is me that the fans blame. Clovis, don't let the bulla factory management derail the program.
If you can't get the players that you want, because management a fight the youths or because of other bandulu reasons you should let the public know sooner rather than later. I think Burrel and company's dream is to use this team as a farm for talent so they can run kids through and get a cut when they are sold to foreign teams. I know I shouldn't say it but that's how I feel.
All this speculation because Boyd has not been recalled.
Beside the recent strike against weak opposition, what has Boyd done to deserve a recall?
For a player who can only make a marginal contribution to the Rboyz, I'm amazed at the amount of attention he gets.
As I've said many times, Boyd's greatness is in the minds and hearts of Jamaicans. Nobody else sees it.
Stop the sentimental crap. He is an incomplete striker, who has never been able to raise level if his game after the early rounds of '98 WCQ. Most of his success has come against minnows.
Walter Boyd has been given many chances to regain a spot and couldn't make it. Now we want to give him free a chance not based on his current performance, but based on the perceived failure of others. We try to tear down Burton(for example) to lift up Boyd. Joke business that!!
I say look to Hayles or one of the youngster; these are the guys who deserve a chance; not a player who time and time again got the chance and couldn't deliver. End the sentimental stuff and play the guys who can take us forward.
nbx, nobody naa "try to tear down Burton(for example) to lift up Boyd. ". Face the facts. Burton scrored 3 goals in 3 years having started in more appearances by far than any of our other strikers. If Boyd was in the same "slump", nuff idiots would be out there calling for his head.
Sometimes I wonder what some guy believe -beenieMan
"know thyself". Why hate Lowe and Boyd because they can dribble the ball? The ability to dribble the ball is an asset. Not because the "English style" of play is to run run run like a damn fool then drop a big boom ball kick we should try to copy it. We need to do what works for us. England does not impress me when it comes to international ball and does not have a style of play worthy of us emulating.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a "Boyd freak" but nuh shot naaaagh bus when Burton fails to score sitters. I am simply calling for you to take off the EPL blinders.
I know mysef; but I also know a little about this game we love. lol :-)
Anyway, I said nothing about style of play or that Burton should start. In fact, I think he should sit. However, Boyd is not his replacement!!
My point is simple: Boyd is over rated. When the ball not at his feet he is a liability. Few players like that succeed in the modern game.
What is even more silly is the amount of support he gets on this board, even though his ability to contribute to the team is marginal. The TD gave him his chance and he could not make it. Sorry!!
Who said I am fan of English football or that the reggae boyz should play their style? I think we should to our strengths.
Even so, if Jamaica could played half as disciplined and as cohesive as the English, we would be the best team in the region.
Look no further than the USA.
Let me give you some advice I've given another Boyd fan: Try to watch a few of the better strikers: Henry, Crespo, Batistuta.. If that doesn't cure your Boyd fever...
Again, I want to make it clear, I am not a "Boyd freak" and I am not saying he should be Butron's replacement, I think Hayles and Fuller needs to get a chance first. I think you are taking it too far though when you claim that "Boyd was given his chance and him could not make it". When Boyd was not called in the first round the pretext was that they were giving him time to get settled with his club.
The piece of nonsense that I should ignore, but wont, is "when the ball is not at his feet he is a liability". What the hell does that mean? How could he be a liability when the ball is not at his feet? You mean he is running offsides? He is just standing full stop? he is not open? what? The reason why you can't articulate what exactly you don't like about Boyd's game is that you are a just a Boyd hater and the only thing you hate about Boyd's game is Boyd and so you attatch yourself to nonsense like: "he is a liability when the ball is not at his feet".
I tell you what is overrated: Burton's runs. The other truth is that some players are a liability when the ball is at their feet. They make great runs all day, and then... you give them the ball and oh sh!t, we can just start jogging back.
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how u mean dread....put the fire pon dem dread more fire!!!! esp the big pass burton get from lowe and all he had to do was lob it over the keeper and he miss to sh$#%$t!!
After reading your response, it reminded me of a little "gem" I learnt as a child in Jamaica:
1) He who knows and knows he knows is a wise man - seek him. 2) He who knows not and knows he knows not is a child - teach him. 3) He who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool - shun him.
I suspect that the middle statement describes most boyd supporters perfectly well. After all, let's be honest, Jamaican fans have only recently been exposed to top-flight football. Sadly, there are few Boyd hopefuls who are aptly described by the third.
Your response to my statement about Boyd's play when he does not have the ball makes me wonder where you fit. I wonder!!
The amount of time a player has the ball at his feet is miniscule relative to the 90 minutes. Thus, what a player does when he does not have the ball is no less important than what he does on the ball. This is so obvious; but underestimated by unsophisticated fans. Moving into position to get the pass, moving to create space for others, drawing defenders etc etc- these are some of the intellectual aspects of the game that you see in top players.
Unfortunately, this is where Boyd comes up short; and it is why he has not done well professionally. Ball artistry can only take you past minnows. He is an incomplete striker who cannot even head the ball.! Amazing! He is not getting a fight. lol I just watched Juve vs Roma a few hours ago: can you imagine Del Piero and Inzaghi (sp) not being able to head a ball. lol
The idea that he can ghost by the US defenders is absolute nonsense - wishful thinking!!! Wanchope, a much better striker than Boyd could not do it. It will not be individual play that beats the US. We need to get that backwardness out of our heads.
Well NBX, I know that you know not that you know not; therefore we least have one thing in common, so I wont shun you but he that knows not his nosenaught might need to wipe him face.
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The amount of time a player has the ball at his feet is miniscule relative to the 90 minutes. Thus, what a player does when he does not have the ball is no less important than what he does on the ball.
Solid arguments. solid.
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Moving into position to get the pass, moving to create space for others, drawing defenders etc etc- these are some of the intellectual aspects of the game that you see in top players.
intellectual? not really. This is the essence of a good scrimmage player, nothing intellectual about it. If you play a lot of scrimmage it will come natural and instinctive. Boyd from what I know is the consummate scrimmage player and therefore a master of moving without the ball. One thing about moving whithout the ball is to be able to anticipate what your teammate is going to do next. This is why I think Boyd, Lowe and Tappa could potentially be awesome together.
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Unfortunately, this is where Boyd comes up short;
??? based on what? Base your wild flying conjectures on something myYouth... gather your data, gather your tapes, gather something. I tell you this, Mr nosenaught he knows not, the way you run off the ball depends on the formation you play and the tactics that the coach is using so coaches should be there observing and telling the players how and where they want them to run. The way you run may vary from team to team it is not a constant.
I hear you though NBX. If I can't find fault with Boyd's game or Boyd stats and I don't want him on the team I would latch on to some intangible like "him nuh move right off the ball" and throw in the word intellectual in the mix as a smoke screen. Then I would whisper the words descipline and professional. after that just say Boooo.
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What conjectures? I am not guessing about his play. I have seen him several times. And I gave you one reason why I don't rate him.
Anyway, I think there is something known as smart, intelligent play in football. And that includes intelligent movement of the ball.
Your conclusion that because Boyd is a "consummate scrimmage" player, he is therefore a "master of moving without the ball" is sheer comedy. But seriously, that comment alone underscores my point about where we are as fans of the game!!
I thought one problem with young Jamaican ballers is that they played TOO MUCH scrimmage. So, they develop good ball skills; but none of the tactical skills that come through playing on a full sized field. It was a problem I had when I started playing competitively. Not only that: playing lots of scrimmage made me overrate on the ball play, and under appreciate off the ball play.
I grew up playing ball in Jamaica. I know the weakness in our game and in players like Boyd. Luckily, the coaches know it too. That's why he is not playing!
Still fans like you love the ball artistry and the scrimmage derived skills. When will we learn.
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A question for nbx
What is your definition of a seal? Think carefully before answering. Now tell me if Lowe, Jermaine Johnson and Fuller aren't seals?
Here is the hypocricy What is the difference between Lowe and Boyd? As long as Lowe is scoring we don't say anything, hell as long as Lowe is scoring conventional wisdom goes out the window(he would keep his form without playing competitive football week in and week out)
We have heard about Boyd's shortcomings for the last 6 years and I DARE anyone on here to tell me what we have done to address this matter in the future generation. Let us take a look at players from McDonald to Pele Wilson to Patrick Graham to Fuller to Kemo to Boukie Richardson and tell me where we have made a concerted effort to move past the "Pearl affliction".
How easy it is to sit around and talk which English player to draft in the side for short term gain but what about identifying and dealing with the issues that affect our teams so that we don't have another Walter Boyd.
We had this U-17 team from 19-o long were they any different from the players of the Pearl era? Have we tried to make them more complete players? You see that is where the hypocricy lies with these Pearl haters. They profess to wanting to "move beyond" this backward type of ball but they don't have a damn idea or don't ever contribute on how to do so. All they do is take the new Jamaican way of using short cuts to get to their goals.(running to England)
HERE IS WHY THE PEARL IS A GOD TO ME. I cannot and will not judge the Pearl on the same level as a Marcelo Salas etc. The Pearl was not privy to the level of development that these top class players were given when they were coming up. All he had was his god given talent and he used that to CONTRIBUTE to putting us on the world football map.
When Simoes is judged he is not judged by our 5-0 defeat against Argentina. He is judged for his feat of taking us to the world cup and rightly so given where we were coming from.
Why can't we do the same for our black brother? How many ballers did we see who were more talented than the Pearl and did not do a damn thing for their country? How many ballers do we know who smoked weed and dash wey dem career or run off a foreign or get caught transporting dope? I judge the Pearl in those context and in my eyes he is a star of the land of wood and water. Just like Shorty Malcolm who was not the skillest but they laid it on the line and when I watch the tapes of France and water wells in my eyes. I say thank you to the Pearl for his contribution.
Allen Iverson remind me of the Pearl! See what good conflict resolution skills can do to your team.
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Leggo the Pearl!!! do me a beg unnu just leggo the Pearl
but... that's it? that's all you can say? "I've seen Boyd play and I don't rate him"???
when will we learn what? I guess I know now that I know not what you are talking about but you do. Where do we get these football "intellectuals" and has nothing to say but to denegrate Jamaican football? Scrimmage is not the game, it is a tool to learn the game. The skills that you learn there are wholly applicable to the game.
I guess you don't buy my argument that the way you run and where you run is a product of the tactics that the coach is applying and thus varies from team to team?
anyway, saying that Boyd does not know how to run off the ball and thus should not be called for the team is quite goofy. You can show any idiot where to run and how to run and why to run off the ball in a couple of sittings. What you can't teach is what do you do with the ball after the run and you happen to get it.
But Dread you cant say that.The coach himself say that the team lack movement off the ball as a whole.So if that is a quick learn for any idiot,are you saying our beloved footballers are below idiots?How the laugh go...Hehehehe. blessed.
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ddread don't even bother wasting your time. These guys hide behind vague and intelligent sounding cliche. When you peel back their outer layers you find a contempt of everything local. Ask them who is their favorite reggaeboyz and watch their responses. Everything takes time and we have to develop talent before we can expect top class talent
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