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#58513 - 04/27/01 12:43 PM Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Comments to this post please, as I believe that it is unfair for the fans to boo, and heckle their players when they under perform!
It is the responsibility of a coach to take that player out of the game, and talk to him.

I say if the player is having a tough time, the coach shoud deal with that.

Booing a plyer, especially one who has served loyally and efficiently in the past is BAD BUSINESS!


Burton feels the heat
Fri Apr 27 12:28:19 2001

By Fitzroy Prendergast
26 April 2001 (TEAMtalk) - The Reggae Boyz stretched their unbeaten record at the National Stadium last night to 49 games with their 1-1 draw with Honduras in their World Cup qualifying game.

This, however, was a less than ideal result for all the players involved and the near 32,000 which turned out to see the game, but it was Deon Burton who felt the brunt of the crowd's disgust.

Burton who started upfront with Onandi Lowe looked less than convincing for the most part, making a few bad passes, missing at least one glorious opportunity to score and giving up possession of the ball on a few occasions.

Despite his indifferent performance, he was kept on the field until the 80th minute when he was replaced by Ricardo Fuller.

The crowd who had been shouting at the coaching staff to replace him with Fuller just after the half-time break, jeered him off the field when he was finally substituted.

"He should have been put on the bench a long time ago," said irate one spectator.

Another shouted, "He is no good. I can't believe the coach waited until now to substitute him. That is why we did not win the game" said another.

Ironically, Burton was close to hero status in Jamaica, after his outstanding performance helped the Reggae Boyz qualify for the 1998 World Cup finals in France. He was promptly given the sportsman of the year for his efforts.

Not overly concerned about the crowd's behavior, Burton said he is looking to rebound.

"Sometimes you will have these days. There are times when you will just not play as well as the crowd is expecting and they will behave like that. I will just have to try and please them the next time," said the stocky player, who represents struggling Derby County in the English Premier League.

Technical Director Clovis de Oliveira was quick to jump to Burton's assistance.

"No one can blame Burton for the draw. The team played today and we have to look at the things we could have done differently and do them next time
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#58514 - 04/27/01 01:12 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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My simple comment is that people who boo players are idiots.
Most of these "fans" have never played a competitive game of football in there entire lives, yet they know all that Burton should have done on the field.
Remember folks the opposition is also on the turf and there job is to throw you off balance as often as they can.
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#58515 - 04/27/01 01:37 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Horyb,

Booing is putting it simple, I told him about his pu^..^laat time after time, like Cindy Lauper!

The fact that you're missing is that we have a good idea about how these guys perform, so we KNOW what Burton can do on the field.

Would'nt you agree,
Horyb?


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#58516 - 04/27/01 01:55 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Suh wha yuh a seh Zouse? If you are a good worker at your place of employ and one day you have a hard time at work, should the boss tell yuh bout yuh Raas?
Would you feel good about that?

I don't buy into that, sorry.
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#58517 - 04/27/01 02:05 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Wha yu a talk bout B..

A long time da bwoy deh fi get Boo..

Who.

I keep saying all that running, though good for derby ,is not helping the Boys. bcoz 1. Fi him foot need more than compass.. 2.certain man(naw call no names) dont understand the runs he makes 3. his runs rarely produce detrimental effects.

Wha is funny is how him score two goal and get sportsman of the year when certain other people deserved that title more than he did.Goals seem to give hero status and thus is quickly withdrawn when U stop perform..Simple tings..At least he is man enough to deal wid it..Lowe turn soon come.

If we want a consistent scorer,look at Hayles. And I do believe with a little support Harris would do much better than Burton.

With regards to the work issue..If I had a bad day at work I expect my boss to chat to me,but where customers and third parties are involved,if what I do affect them then how can humble I stop them from complaining.

[This message has been edited by jt (edited 04-27-2001).]
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#58518 - 04/27/01 03:23 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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JT please reconsider,those comments have no basis.I believe you are also out of line.I have seen great players even from Brasil and Argentina have days like those.I respect your openions although i do not agree with them.
I hope Burton redeems himself and become the toast of the fotball community.

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#58519 - 04/27/01 03:49 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Sorry majii, but I will never ever even consider being a Burton fan.He has scored goals but I knew from time that he is not a goalscoring hero some make him out to be.

Henry of arsenal is finding it hard to score but even so, it is obvious that Henry is a class act.Burton's game is only running and sometimes he gets a lucky touch.

Goalscorers are people like Linekar who was a goalhanger and shark but only had to smell the goal.Rivaldo,Henry,the likkle chelsea guy,also Hasselbaink.Ruud Gullit,etc etc.
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#58520 - 04/27/01 03:56 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Da yute deh dash wey di match star.....it is unfortunate how the errors and incompetence of one man can negate all the hard work of the other teammates...a spectacular performance tarnished by the flaws of one....

The great King Solomon said it like dis...

"Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary (perfume) to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour."-Ecclesiastes 10:1

Me know seh nuff man well BEXX, and if dem boo, a jus steam dem a let off cause JAH know seh we shoulda win da game deh star. Wi really put out...

anyway, .. to every disappointment, worketh a greater purpose if wi Keep FAITH...

Massive, jus hold tight cause everyting all right..its all part of di fight...

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#58521 - 04/27/01 04:22 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Let's not speak out of the both sides of our mouths. JT yuh mention Rivaldo, who nah do nutten fi Brazil and wha bout Andy Cole? Andy Cole is a wicked baller who find it hard fi score fi England, when dem waan drop him some a wi bawl bout racism. Di man a mek good runs which is neccessary to put in's self in position to score. In the last two games he missed some easy goals, true I agree Hayles might finish much better than him but he would'nt be in the EPL if he could'nt play. My only thing is that if he is off the Coach needs to recognize that and sub him earlier, it is not time to write him off. Ah bet yuh if him an Hayles a start together nuff goal woulda score.
Think bout that.

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#58522 - 04/27/01 04:40 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Why is nobody boo Lowe? He also misses chances? In my opinion Lowe had a much worse game than Burton.

I think it is a little unrealistic to expect forwards to convert every game. I suppose if it were Walter Boyd he would have converted and created all those chances.

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#58523 - 04/27/01 04:47 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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People, one of the main reasons why I don't get involved in some of these "discussions" is some of the ites inconsistencies and irrational arguments (nah call nuh name)
All I am saying is that the man had
a(nother?) bad game, does that make it o.k. to kill him. Do you believe that those misses are deliberate, I think not.
In 98 Burton to most of us was 2nd only to God, all of a sudden him caan score and a pure lucky goal etc.
Star oonu fi low di man a mek him play in peace.
The other day a man report how him (Burton) look sharp in training and every man pon di site waan gi him journalism award same time, wha oonu tink di coach si, nuh di same ting?

Nah tek back mi talk.
"People who boo are idiots"
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#58524 - 04/27/01 05:13 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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you are all behaving as if you don't understand the Jamaican psyche. You move from hero to villian in literal seconds.Simoes had his share, now it's Burton's time. I have seen it happen in practically every sport in which Jamaicans are involved.I witnessed several great cricketers being booed at Bina eg Richie Richardson, Malcolm Marshall, Marlon Tucker (as captain a dat)and Mark Neita. I would say to Burton don't take it too hard it's part of being Jamaican. Nuff man parents used to cuss you and say yu wutliss and good fi nutten when you did not live up to their expectation. But deep in their hear fi dem pickney a de bess and if any stranger ever say dem pickney eye red dem cuss and even fight over it. I don't think the players can change the public the players just have to understand their "supporters".

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#58525 - 04/27/01 05:37 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Ok let me clarify...

I was never ever a fan of Burton JahB,Majii,HoryB and Trinity. I tolerate burton bcoz he does make intelligent runs.But he cant play with someone like lowe.

I am not singing praises for Lowe but he is not just a strong character physically but also mentally and psycologically.Burton is trained to make runs.Lowe has practised for too long more jamaican style glory and selfish ball which at present is effective for Jamaica more than Burton's runs. Burton's runs need simpson or Powell's supply with Hall and Hayles playing off him.I think Harris also would make a good partner for Burton..Now Hayles will play better with Lowe bcoz Hayles is a goalscorer.Burton is just a striker.(Someone trained to play upfront). Hayles is like Ian Wright.and also Lawrence.They have talent on top of the training.Lowe has talent but no training.

JahB. Andy Cole anyday of the week will be a better goalscorer.And he makes the same runs Burton does.And though he is not firing at present still has more goals this season than Burton.

In my opinion Burton just lucky a lot of the times.I remember even visiting Jamaica and licking out against Burton and his award with two good brethrens of mine.I have just never ever rated him but more understanding of what he brings to the team.

but if we insist on using his qualities we must use the right combination. I know Burton will not let me down and prove me wrong by scoring more than four goals this journey and thats even a high tally.

I will bet anyone $100 pon dat.
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#58526 - 04/27/01 05:54 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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It is very sad that the fans and some on this forum seek to lay the blame for the draw squarely on Burton.

Firstly, Jt let say that its the running that Burton is doing off the ball which have created a lot of the chances. The reason why Lowe gets only a couple scoring opportunity
is that he is immobile and hence is easy to mark. The TD himself said that needs alot of improvement in running off the ball (or without the ball). So your attack on Burton's
running is misplaced. Rene Simoes recruited Burton, Hall & Simpson not because they are skilful players, but because the understand they game and their work rate improved the overall team performance. Their work rate compensated for other players who only play when they get the ball.

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#58527 - 04/27/01 06:38 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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well said rusty.......more lata
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#58528 - 04/27/01 07:46 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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jt, normally, with few exceptions, I agree with you. On this point, I have to be fiercly opposed!

Booing cannot make a man improve when he failing anymore can caling a child STUPID when he is not doing well in school.

As for his "intelligent runs" off the ball, what more you want. It seems that Lowe is the culprit if he cannot pass or is such a poor student of the game, that he cannot see past his nose when Burton is off on one of those "intelligent runs."

Peace!
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#58529 - 04/27/01 08:22 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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true dat true trini hehehe
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#58530 - 04/27/01 09:05 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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BigUp JahB,
I think you have it right. If Burton get seven sitters in the last 2 games and has not produced one goal then he's probably just "off"; so take him off. Let him sit with Andy Williams for 2 games and maybe...

Look at Rivaldo, Brazil cut him; Look at Roberto Carlos! gone too. Jamaican people? no, just reality. In this game it's not what you've done that keeps you on the starting 11, it's what you've done lately!

what have you done for me lately.
-Janet
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#58531 - 04/27/01 09:06 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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I think you guys here should pay attention to COUNTRIE post because he hits the nail right on the head. It seems like some of us lived abroad too long they forget the real jam dun life style. Another thing some man a talk bout seh any body who boo is an idiot, yow if you can pay to enter the stadium you have all rights to boo anybody you want to boo, may you jump the fence thats why you find it hard to boo. Any way us booing burton is just to remind him that it is crunch time so he and the rest of the squad who's not performing up to par needs to wake up. But a just love . Yo jt big up mi deh ya still
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#58532 - 04/27/01 09:26 PM Re: Burton under fire from Jamaican fans.
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Well said Countrie and JT.


Countrie you hit the nail on the head with with the psyche.

JT Halyes is a better goal scorer than Burton no doubt. But uless it is Hayles there is no better foil than Burton.
Fuller and Lowe, will not work to similar.
Harris and Lowe, well Harris might not be up to internation level. That is subject to debate.
Lowe and Boyd, this is not 1995.
Lowe and Burton best combination of what we had last year.
Lowe and Hayles the best combo presently but unproven.


Jt who do you think should partner Nana "the man for now" Lowe?

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