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#85673 - 01/27/08 07:13 AM
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http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html
"Qualifications for the Office of President
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once"
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Wi dey a Merica a talk bout who nuh redi fe Black President When wi a Jamaica nuh redi fe Black Prime Minister-Check yu History.
I guess it maybe asking too much for some of us black folks to give 'black people' credit in knowing dat if dem hug up Barack too closely then that will isolate most white folks, the same one wey Barack need fe win. Oh, I guess dem not dat smart=Right? but at the same time wi a ge white folks credit fe a flood de Demo. nomination process with Republicans to get Barack elected coz im a easier target-Brain wash to 'rasputin-cloth'. Dem dont even hav fe tell us how fe think coz dem dun draw corners pon wi brain from 1400 how long, dem dont even hav fe come a wi neighbourhood fe exploit us anymore, dem dun program wi brain. "Babylon release de chain but den a use dem brain hear mi now ..." unno full a de same ting wey unnu a critize. I for one support dat angle, i.e. not hugging up Barack too closely until the vote really counts and then its done in private, no need to broadcast, at the end of the day black folks overwhelmingly will support Barack, dats what SC told 'you' are you picking up. It is a good strategy, can you even conceputilize it or the linear thinking braing getting in the way again?
This is america emotions and need dictate that we support Barack, but reality maybe a different ting at this point in the race.
BTW who sey all black man hav fe support Barack, den at the critize them fe closemindedness, can they genuinely disagree with him on policies, and hence support another candidate; or dem hav fe support him no matta wa?
Look into de ting not just look up at the ting.
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#85717 - 01/27/08 09:41 AM
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There was only way to describe Barack Obama's victory over Hillary Clinton and John Edwards in South Carolina: It was a rout. "After four great contests in every corner of this country, we have the most votes, the most delegates, and the most diverse coalition of Americans that we've seen in a long, long time," Obama declared at his victory celebration in Columbia. "There are young and old; rich and poor. They are black and white; Latino and Asian and Native American. They are Democrats from Des Moines and Independents from Concord, and yes, some Republicans from rural Nevada and we've got young people from all across this country who've never had a reason to participate until now."
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Obama's impressive win meant all the more given the nature of politics in South Carolina, a state whose history is fraught with race and class. Some observers wondered if the state's voters were becoming more racially polarized in the final days before the primary. That speculation was fueled by one late McClatchy/MSNBC survey that suggested Obama could expect to receive no more than 10% of the white vote, half of what the same poll had shown only a week before. But Obama instead won about a quarter of the white vote overall, and around half of young white voters, on his way to a commanding 55% of the total vote (Clinton finished second with roughly 27% and Edwards came in third with 18%). The excitement around Obama's candidacy pushed turnout to record levels - a kind of surge, says Obama strategist Cornell Belcher, that "is something only Barack Obama is capable of bringing to the table."
It is a powerful message for the Illinois Senator to take into the Super Tuesday round of primaries on February 5. "In nine days-nine short days - nearly half the nation will have the chance to join us in saying that we are tired of business-as-usual in Washington, we are hungry for change, and we are ready to believe again," Obama declared. His South Carolina victory will be topped by an endorsement by Caroline Kennedy, in a Sunday New York Times op-ed headlined: "A President Like My Father." The move will serve as a powerful, symbolic counter to the most visible surrogate in this race, Bill Clinton - the boy whose own political awakening famously came when he shook JFK's hand as a 16-year-old as part of an American Legion Boy's Nation visit to the nation's capital.
Still, the sobering reality for the Obama campaign is that Clinton's massive organization will present a formidable challenge in the 20-plus states that will be voting on February 5. Clinton, knowing that bad news was coming, didn't even hold a final rally for her supporters in South Carolina; shortly after the polls closed, her campaign plane was headed for Tennessee. She issued a terse written statement noting that she had called Obama to "wish him well," and adding, "We now turn our attention to the millions of Americans who will make their voices heard in Florida and the twenty-two states as well as American Samoa who will vote on February 5th." Bill Clinton, at a rally in Missouri, added: "Now we go to February 5, when millions of Americans finally get in the act."
The former President was actually the first Clinton to speak in the wake of Obama's triumph Saturday evening, and it only underscored how his outsized, vocal presence on the trail has threatened to overshadow his wife. Earlier in the day, Clinton had churlishly compared Obama's victory to that of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, a remark that will likely further fuel disaffection about the Clintons amongst African-American voters. There was evidence that Obama's victory was also a repudiation of the brand of hard-knuckled politics that both Clintons had brought to the South Carolina contest. Exit polls indicated that Bill Clinton's campaigning made a difference to about 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters. But of those voters, 47% went for Barack Obama, while only 38% went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent voted for John Edwards. The Obama campaign gleefully noted that in the mostly black precincts that Bill Clinton visted in Greenville, as much as 80% of the vote went to Obama.
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#85722 - 01/27/08 09:56 AM
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Is Bill Clinton Really Lee Atwater? You Betcha!
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The Bill Clinton version of a Willie Horton?
Former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party and Barack Obama supporter Dick Harpootlian said today that Bill Clinton was like Lee Atwater in how he was using race to try to manipulate presidential politics. Asked by CNN's Jessica Yellin what he thought of that, his answer made me think of an old law school adage: he that doth not deny confirms. Clinton proceeded to go on a rant lasting several minutes about how the media was "stealing" the election from South Carolina voters, none of which had shown up to ask him anything about Lee Atwater or racial politics. He chastised Yellin for pursuing her own agenda and said that the only reason that they were even talking about the comment is because they (read: the media) wanted to talk about it. He didn't mention that few if any of the people at the campaign event likely even knew that he had been compared to Atwater. It seems unlikely that no one in an audience fully aware of the comment would ask about it.
Let's back up for a moment... okay, okay, two decades but the history lesson will be over quick. Lee Atwater was the adviser who came up in the rough and tumble, racial politics of South Carolina that dug up the information that Michael Dukakis had let out on furlough a fellow named William R. Horton. Mr. Horton was a convicted murderer doing life without parole and, whilst on furlough, he committed armed robbery and rape. Lee Atwater turned William Horton into Willie Horton, the wild-eyed black felon asking, to take a page out of Mel Brooks' book, "Where's all the white womens at?" It was this negative black stereotype that Atwater blew up larger than life and then went negative on Dukakis with, absolutely eviscerating him. Now that you know Willie and Lee's part of the story, let's get back to Slick Willie's interpretation of Atwater.
Bill Clinton knows racial politics. He was the boy from Hope, Arkansas, the segregated town in the South that would give birth to one President as well as another serious presidential contender, Mike Huckabee. Bill Clinton knows how white people think, particularly post-WWII white people all over this country, particularly in the South. Clinton's Atwater move, just like everything else about him, has been slick and smooth. First he sent surrogates like Bill Shaheen out to remind everyone that Barack Obama experimented with drugs and to wonder aloud whether he sold them. Mission number one accomplished: label Barack Obama with the negative stereotype that black men face every single day and that Clinton claimed he understood and empathized with: that they are a walking felony machine, smoking crack and slinging it. Then they sent a successful black man out to hammer the attack home: "...while Hillary Clinton was out working on issues that matter to black people, Barack Obama was down in the neighborhood... I ain't gonna say what he was doin', but he talks about it in his book." Then Hillary made the oh-so-astute observation that while Martin Luther King Jr. was an inspirational leader, the civil rights movement wasn't going anywhere until Lyndon Baines Johnson stepped in and took the reins. All of this has been calculated since the aftermath of the Iowa caucuses where the Clintons found out, much to their chagrin, that white people weren't afraid to vote for a black candidate for president like they used to be.
Barack Obama was transcending race from the beginning of his campaign all the way through his decisive win in the Iowa caucuses. He wasn't mentioning he was black, nobody else was mentioning he was black. America had gotten over its self-flagellating obsession with race. Then in rode the Clintons. From that juncture they have made it a point to highlight both through their surrogates as well as through Bill and Hillary's own "complimentary" comments about his skin tone that Barack Obama is a black man. Their current theory is that if they can put an end to Obama transcending the race issue by addressing the change needed in this country and identifying himself as the candidate that can bring that change, they will win. If they can stuff him back under the glass ceiling that exists for any presidential candidate considered "black" by the voting public like Al Sharpton, they can win. They will alienate and give up the 13% of African-American votes if that means they can re-open the fault lines of race that Obama had closed when he was thrashing Clinton and make him "that black candidate" that Obama worked so hard to not be labeled as. Bill and Hillary both know that Edwards ceased to be a threat long ago and that if they can hitch Obama's wagon to the African-American star, they can sail to the nomination with the white vote.
It's about time that someone called Bill Clinton out on this. Bill Clinton was called "the first black president" by author Toni Morrison. Apparently he's viewing Obama's candidacy as the championship fight and he wants to retain his title. The Clintons have given lip service to Martin Luther King Jr's dream this entire campaign, but when it comes down to the practicality of it, they're not interested. They don't want Barack Obama to be judged by the content of his character, they want him to be judged by the color of his skin. They are betraying King's dream with polite platitudes and reminding every voter whose ear they can bend that Barack Obama is a black man that used to work in the slums and experimented with drugs. His policy ideas don't matter. His leadership abilities don't matter. His judgment doesn't matter. All that matters is that he is one of two obstacles left between Hillary having the power she's always dreamed of having and Bill having the power he enjoyed immensely for eight years returned to him. If you'll excuse me, I need to go shower. The Clintons' efforts to smother idealism and bipartisanship in its crib has left me feeling extremely dirty.
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#85726 - 01/27/08 10:10 AM
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Clinton's Atwater move, just like everything else about him, has been slick and smooth. First he sent surrogates like Bill Shaheen out to remind everyone that Barack Obama experimented with drugs and to wonder aloud whether he sold them. Mission number one accomplished: label Barack Obama with the negative stereotype that black men face every single day and that Clinton claimed he understood and empathized with: that they are a walking felony machine, smoking crack and slinging it. Then they sent a successful black man out to hammer the attack home: "...while Hillary Clinton was out working on issues that matter to black people, Barack Obama was down in the neighborhood... I ain't gonna say what he was doin', but he talks about it in his book." Then Hillary made the oh-so-astute observation that while Martin Luther King Jr. was an inspirational leader, the civil rights movement wasn't going anywhere until Lyndon Baines Johnson stepped in and took the reins. All of this has been calculated since the aftermath of the Iowa caucuses where the Clintons found out, much to their chagrin, that white people weren't afraid to vote for a black candidate for president like they used to be.
Barack Obama was transcending race from the beginning of his campaign all the way through his decisive win in the Iowa caucuses. He wasn't mentioning he was black, nobody else was mentioning he was black. America had gotten over its self-flagellating obsession with race. Then in rode the Clintons. From that juncture they have made it a point to highlight both through their surrogates as well as through Bill and Hillary's own "complimentary" comments about his skin tone that Barack Obama is a black man. Their current theory is that if they can put an end to Obama transcending the race issue by addressing the change needed in this country and identifying himself as the candidate that can bring that change, they will win. If they can stuff him back under the glass ceiling that exists for any presidential candidate considered "black" by the voting public like Al Sharpton, they can win. They will alienate and give up the 13% of African-American votes if that means they can re-open the fault lines of race that Obama had closed when he was thrashing Clinton and make him "that black candidate" that Obama worked so hard to not be labeled as. Bill and Hillary both know that Edwards ceased to be a threat long ago and that if they can hitch Obama's wagon to the African-American star, they can sail to the nomination with the white vote.
It's about time that someone called Bill Clinton out on this. Bill Clinton was called "the first black president" by author Toni Morrison. Apparently he's viewing Obama's candidacy as the championship fight and he wants to retain his title. The Clintons have given lip service to Martin Luther King Jr's dream this entire campaign, but when it comes down to the practicality of it, they're not interested. They don't want Barack Obama to be judged by the content of his character, they want him to be judged by the color of his skin. They are betraying King's dream with polite platitudes and reminding every voter whose ear they can bend that Barack Obama is a black man that used to work in the slums and experimented with drugs. His policy ideas don't matter. His leadership abilities don't matter. His judgment doesn't matter. All that matters is that he is one of two obstacles left between Hillary having the power she's always dreamed of having and Bill having the power he enjoyed immensely for eight years returned to him. If you'll excuse me, I need to go shower. The Clintons' efforts to smother idealism and bipartisanship in its crib has left me feeling extremely dirty.
. . .and what was the former President's first comment on Obama's win in South Carolina?-oh yeah remember Jesse Jackson won SC too in '84 and '88  .
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#85729 - 01/27/08 10:19 AM
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The former President was actually the first Clinton to speak in the wake of Obama's triumph Saturday evening, and it only underscored how his outsized, vocal presence on the trail has threatened to overshadow his wife. Earlier in the day, Clinton had churlishly compared Obama's victory to that of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, a remark that will likely further fuel disaffection about the Clintons amongst African-American voters.
. . .oh I didn't see that you had already posted this . Unlike in SC the 'black vote' is a fairly small percentage in the upcoming states so they'll spin this as of course he won SC-he's the black candidate. Then they'll look forward to a white/latino backlash in the upcoming states and can still count on the 'black vote' in the 80%+ range if she wins the nomination.
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#85749 - 01/27/08 04:51 PM
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Cruyff - At least give the Black voters some credit. I don't think most of them will be that dumb. The only way HC will win back the Black vote is unless she is up against man like Romney. If she goes up against Guliani or even McCain she is toast. Based on recent activities by BC & HC - she will NEVER get my vote! If HC wins the nomination, Black voters should sit out the election or vote Guliani if he is the man.
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#85764 - 01/27/08 09:24 PM
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I read that article posted by hoops and I recognize the content as full-on notions mooted on here days and weeks ago. The only thing I want to know is the author's name and the source.
Cruyff, it's time to find a radio station that is willing to let us take to the airwaves. Maybe syndication awaits.
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#85767 - 01/28/08 04:59 AM
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Kennedy Chooses Obama, Spurning Plea by Clintons
Stephen Jaffe/Agence France-Presse
When Bill Clinton was president, he and his wife sailed with the Kennedys off Cape Cod. In this 1997 outing, the former president is at the helm, Hillary Rodham Clinton is second from left and Senator Edward M. Kennedy is to her right.
By JEFF ZELENY and CARL HULSE
Published: January 28, 2008
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Senator Edward M. Kennedy, rejecting entreaties from the Clintons and their supporters, is set to endorse Senator Barack Obama’s presidential bid on Monday as part of an effort to lend Kennedy charisma and connections before the 22-state Feb. 5 showdown for the Democratic nomination.
Both the Clintons and their allies had pressed Mr. Kennedy for weeks to remain neutral in the Democratic race, but Mr. Kennedy had become increasingly disenchanted with the tone of the Clinton campaign, aides said. He and former President Bill Clinton had a heated telephone exchange earlier this month over what Mr. Kennedy considered misleading statements by Mr. Clinton about Mr. Obama, as well as his injection of race into the campaign.
Mr. Kennedy called Mr. Clinton Sunday to tell him of his decision.
The endorsement, which followed a public appeal on Mr. Obama’s behalf by Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of President John F. Kennedy, was a blow to the Clinton campaign and pits leading members of the nation’s most prominent Democratic families against one another.
Mr. Kennedy, a major figure in party politics for more than 40 years, intends to campaign aggressively for Mr. Obama, beginning with an appearance and rally with him in Washington on Monday. He will be introduced by Ms. Kennedy.
Mr. Kennedy then heads west with Mr. Obama, followed by appearances in the Northeast. Strategists see him bolstering Mr. Obama’s credibility and helping him firm up support from unions and Hispanics, as well as the party base.
The endorsement appears to support assertions that Mr. Clinton’s campaigning on behalf of his wife in South Carolina has in some ways hurt her candidacy.
Campaign officials, without acknowledging any faults on Mr. Clinton’s part, have said they will change tactics and try to shift Mr. Clinton back into the role he played before her loss in the Iowa caucuses, emphasizing her record and experience.
Mr. Kennedy, of Massachusetts, has worked closely with Mrs. Clinton, of New York, on health care and other legislation and has had a friendly relationship with both Clintons, but associates said he was intrigued by Mr. Obama’s seeming ability to inspire political interest in a new generation. For his part, Mr. Obama actively courted Mr. Kennedy for several years, seeking him out for Senate advice and guidance before making the decision to enter the presidential race.
Mr. Kennedy had been seriously considering an endorsement for weeks — a break with his traditional practice of staying clear of primaries.
He remained uncertain of his decision as late as the middle of last week. But, according to allies, when he learned that his niece’s endorsement would appear as an Op-Ed piece in The New York Times on Sunday, he decided to bolster that with his own public embrace of the campaign at a joint rally at American University in Washington on Monday, giving Mr. Obama, of Illinois a potentially powerful one-two Kennedy punch.
As Mr. Obama flew here on Sunday, he smiled when asked about his new wave of support from the Kennedy family.
“For somebody who, I think, has been such an important part of our national imagination and who generally shies away from involvement in day-to-day politics to step out like that is something that I’m very grateful for,” Mr. Obama said of Caroline Kennedy’s support. Ms. Kennedy declined requests on Sunday to discuss her endorsement.
Trying to dilute the impact of the twin endorsements by the brother and daughter of the late president, the Clinton campaign on Sunday issued a statement of support from Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, a former lieutenant governor in Maryland and a daughter of Robert F. Kennedy.
“I respect Caroline and Teddy’s decision, but I have made a different choice,” Ms. Townsend said in her statement, adding: “At this moment when so much is at stake at home and overseas, I urge our fellow Americans to support Hillary Clinton. That is why my brother Bobby, my sister Kerry, and I are supporting Hillary Clinton.”
But two years ago, Ms. Townsend’s mother, Ethel Kennedy, referred to Mr. Obama in an interview as “our next president” and likened him to her late husband.
The Kennedy endorsement grants Mr. Obama, who has been framed by the Clintons as being short on experience, the approval of one of the Senate’s senior members.
Before the Iowa caucuses, Mr. Kennedy had planned to stay out of the race, largely because he had so many friends in the contest, chiefly Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut. He also said he was waiting for one of the candidates to spark a movement.
“I want to see who out there is going to be able to inspire not only our party, but others, because I think we’re going to need the inspiration in order to bring a change in American foreign policy and domestic policy,” Mr. Kennedy said last year on ABC News’s “This Week.”
After Mr. Obama won the Iowa caucuses, associates to both men said, Mr. Kennedy concluded that Mr. Obama had transcended racial lines and the historical divisions the Kennedy family had worked to tear down. Mr. Kennedy was also impressed at how Mr. Obama was not defined as a black candidate, but seen as a transformational figure.
It was then, associates said, that Mr. Kennedy began talking with his children, nieces and nephews, including Caroline Kennedy, who had reached her own judgment some time ago independently of her uncle. They then agreed last week to move ahead with their endorsements, coordinating their decision before the Feb. 5 contests.
Mr. Kennedy has a long history of working with the former president and Mrs. Clinton on health, education and other social issues and, according to his associates, has a good relationship with both. While the Clintons were in the White House, the families socialized and sailed off Cape Cod.
Mr. Obama courted Mr. Kennedy as well, using late-night sessions in the Senate to get some tutoring about the intricacies of the institution. Conversations about the White House began more than a year ago, with Mr. Obama paying Mr. Kennedy a visit to seek his thoughts about whether he should run for president. Mr. Kennedy told him that he should because such opportunities rarely come along.
On the night of Mr. Obama’s national political debut at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, he was preceded on stage by Mr. Kennedy, a symbolic bookend of the party’s dean and its new generation.
A year later, near the end of Mr. Obama’s first year in the Senate, Ethel Kennedy asked him to speak at a ceremony for her husband’s 80th birthday. At the time, she referred to Mr. Obama as “our next president.”
“I think he feels it. He feels it just like Bobby did,” Mrs. Kennedy said in an interview that day, comparing her late husband’s quest for social justice to Mr. Obama’s. “He has the passion in his heart. He’s not selling you. It’s just him.”
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#85768 - 01/28/08 05:04 AM
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Even the crown prince of the American Royal Family sees it and rejects it. However, our Princess sees it and supports it. Makes no sense.
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#85770 - 01/28/08 06:04 AM
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What Qualifications Does Hillary Have To Be President?
July 19, 2007
By Thomas D. Kuiper, Human Events
Being a good president means being able to make the correct decisions more often than not. It means having a vision of where you want the country to go, then making sure it's implemented. It means having both experience and a proven track record in dealing with crises. (It also means knowing how to avoid such crises). In short, being a good president means having good judgment. Hillary Clinton has experience, certainly, but it’s mostly experience with making the wrong decisions and displaying incredibly poor judgment.
That judgment was most on display in the first two years of the Clinton Administration. Many of President Clinton’s problems during this time were caused directly by his wife, the so-called, “Smartest woman in the world.” Memories are short-lived, of course, which is why Hillary’s legendary incompetence is failing to get much traction with voters at the moment. But it’s always worthwhile to review her “greatest hits,” many of which served to nearly torpedo her husband’s administration from the beginning.
• Whitewater: A sham real estate transaction drafted by Hillary, which caused the appointment of a special prosecutor, who eventually discovered an intern in the Oval Office.
• Travelgate: “There would be hell to pay if we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity to the first lady’s wishes,” wrote one Clinton staffer about the firing of some White House workers.
• Filegate: The “bureaucratic snafu” perpetuated by a former bar bouncer who worked for Hillary in the White House. “It’s a done deal, Hillary wants him,” said a White House lawyer when objections were raised about this bouncer’s shady past.
• Cattle Futures: “I was lucky,” said Hillary when it was discovered that she’d made a 10,000% profit in one year. The same woman who called the ‘80s “Reagan’s Decade of Greed” acquired her astronomical profit via preferential treatment and maybe even insider trading.
• Health Care Reform: Here’s where Hillary’s incompetence truly flowered. She nearly single-handedly returned control of both houses of Congress to the Republicans…breaking a record of 40 years of Democratic control of the House. This defeat was so bad that one of Hillary’s fellow liberals told Carl Bernstein, “My view is Hillary Clinton destroyed the Democratic Party.” He also added that Hillary “was a disaster for what we were trying to do in government,” as Bernstein reports in his new Hillary biography, “A Woman in Charge.”
Once noted centrist advisor Dick Morris returned in 1994 to work with Bill Clinton, Hillary’s “co-presidency” role was severely curtailed. It was 1995/96, with Morris’ help, that President Clinton was able to get many of his major policy initiatives passed by Congress. The most successful victory by far was welfare reform, which virtually guaranteed his reelection. Naturally,. Hillary was against welfare reform, calling it, “an attack on children.”
Hillary’s decision-making when in the White House was so bad that even one of the Clinton Whitewater lawyers is on record about it. Attorney Mark Fabiani told Bernstein that several members of the Whitewater legal team came to believe that Hillary’s “instincts are horrible in terms of politics, in terms of managing a crisis like this…We had a joke that all we had to do was ask her, What would you do? And then do the opposite…because almost always her instincts were wrong, backwards…” Fabiani also told Bernstein that Hillary “never surrounded herself with people who would stand up to her, who were of a different mind.” This is the smartest woman in the world?
To see how Hillary's incompetence might play out on the world stage, look no further than Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his management of last summer’s war with Lebanon. Olmert’s job approval ratings are making Bush's look mountainous, especially in view of a government commission appointed to examine just went wrong last year. This commission has been extremely critical of Prime Minister Olmert, calling his decision to go to war without a detailed plan “hasty.” They also criticized him for not “adapting his plan once it became clear that Israel’s actions were not realistic and were not materializing.”
Which sounds exactly like the way Hillary dealt with health care reform — putting together half-baked plans in haste then refusing to even meet with Republicans or health care industry representatives when it became clear her plan was in trouble. “Bill and I didn’t come to Washington to do business as usual and compromise,” she angrily declared when the idea of making a deal was broached.
A health care executive who met with Hillary on her so-called "reform" plan told PBS Frontline, that she “just flunked the test of understanding Washington, understanding reality.” He called her belief that America would let Washington D.C. control 1/7th of the U.S. economy as “naïve.”
Hillary’s failures as a "reformer" go back even farther than her DC debacle. . When she was First Lady of Arkansas her husband appointed her to a committee charged with reforming education.. When asked what qualifications she brought to the committee, she responded, “[Because] I’ve gone to school a large part of my life…and I’ve been involved in classroom activities and visiting with teachers as a volunteer.” All very admirable, but the same could be said of a lot of parents, especially parents who didn't have the benefit of using state troopers as babysitters.
n any event, the results speak for themselves. Before Hillary’s tenure on the education reform committee, Arkansas ranked 49th in test scores. And after her tenure? Arkansas ranked — 49th in test scores! Because Arkansas consistently ranks next to last in so many quality of life categories, their unofficial state motto is said to be, “Thank God for Mississippi.” (Did Bill Clinton's terms as governor make a difference or what!?)
Now it's Senator Hillary Clinton who is asking America to vote for her as president next year, in large part because of her "record of achievement" as First Lady. Clearly she can't tout her Senate record too much, given that she never read the National Intelligence Estimate — the NIE — upon which she based her vote to authorize the Iraq war. She claims to have been “briefed on it.” (One senator who did read the entire report, Bob Graham of Florida, ended up voting against the war because he wasn’t persuaded that Iraq possessed WMDs).
Here we have the most important vote of her legislative career– and yet Hillary couldn't be bothered to do her homework. Perhaps she wanted to get home to cook dinner for Bill. Despite such ineptitude, Washingtonian Magazine has called Hillary, “The Brainiest Senator.” An assessment based on what, precisely?
If Hillary does become president and displays the Olmert-like incompetence, arrogance and sheer sloth that she’s already demonstrated in not just education and health care reform, but in evaluating the threats facing our great nation, the future does not look good for America. In the event of a Hillary Clinton presidency, perhaps we’ll all be forced to say of our country’s declining fortunes, “Thank God for just what, precisely?"
Source: Human Events
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#85771 - 01/28/08 06:12 AM
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Make no claims to veracity, it was posted on a conservative web site, so we can assume take it with a grain of salt, but if it is true it is true. The question is whether or not it is true.
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#85772 - 01/28/08 06:14 AM
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. I'm surprised to see you jump off the Clinton train so easily having professed such admiration for them. These latest shenanigans are fairly mild for the Clintons.
I was never on HC train - said that over and over. However, not because I admired Bill Clinton means that I admired his wife. I stated that "I would have voted for her any day over any of those Republicans", not against Obama. Now, that's where I jumped off that train between "her and any Republican". Her and Bill's latest antics is an insult to the Black voters who put both of them in the White House. Many African Americans are now seeing their plot and there will be a huge backlash if they continue.
A lot of people are jumping off her boat because of a bad campaign strategy/decision. Kennedy & his niece were the latest to catch the Obama train. Kennedy personally called BC sometime last week and asked him to halt his personal attacks on Obama. BC practically told him to "go jump ina sea". Hence, this latest public endorsement. Noticed he had always stayed out of the Democratic Primaries...this was a slap in Willy's face.
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#85798 - 01/28/08 12:09 PM
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Cruyff, it's time to find a radio station that is willing to let us take to the airwaves. Maybe syndication awaits.
. . .I don't think I'd be very good on the radio-don't know about you .
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#85801 - 01/28/08 12:20 PM
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. I'm surprised to see you jump off the Clinton train so easily having professed such admiration for them. These latest shenanigans are fairly mild for the Clintons. I was never on HC train - said that over and over. However, not because I admired Bill Clinton means that I admired his wife.
. . .well you said you love the Clintons and I assumed you weren't including Chelsea .
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#85805 - 01/28/08 12:37 PM
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. . .JahP maybe you could team up with ShaggyBear- the black Republicans radio network-that's a good niche . You both have a disturbing propensity to post Republican propoganda .
Stop trying to divide by distorting my posts! I am just reaching across the aisle to try to make you feel welcome.
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#85807 - 01/28/08 12:43 PM
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. . .JahP maybe you could team up with ShaggyBear- the black Republicans radio network-that's a good niche . You both have a disturbing propensity to post Republican propoganda . Stop trying to divide by distorting my posts! I am just reaching across the aisle to try to make you feel welcome.
. . .it's much appreciated
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