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#55460 - 02/11/07 07:09 PM
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cruyff14
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Originally posted by JahPickney: on several counts he posesses a gravitas lacking in the disingenuous Mrs. Clinton.
. . .that's a bit harsh .
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#55461 - 02/11/07 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by JahPickney: Can he run? Yes. Ought he run? Surely. How far can he go? Let's see. . . .agree completely. If Bill Clinton didn't take a 'chance' and run in 1992 we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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#55462 - 02/12/07 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by cruyff14:
. . .that's a bit harsh . In my defense I thought my statement quite diplomatic ... I hope Hillary digs a hole from which she or herself as she continues to refuse apology for her Iraq vote
Let me share a quote from a NYT article from August 5, 2006:
... while skillful repositioning and adaptation to changing circumstances have enabled her to avoid political damage, they have also exposed her to a line of criticism that has come to dog her in the same way it did her husband during his presidency: that she devises policy positions to shield herself from attacks from the left or right and surrenders principle to political flexibility.
“The notion that ‘I supported the war but unfortunately it wasn’t carried out effectively, and therefore we should go on but I won’t say how to carry it out’ isn’t helpful,” said Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter. “It’s not really the exercise of leadership.” If Bill Clinton didn't take a 'chance' and run in 1992 we wouldn't be having this conversation. Agreed.
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#55463 - 02/12/07 05:06 AM
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Thought my system was crashing ... so let me finish/edit my thought ...I hope Hillary digs a hole from which she can't extricate herself as she continues to refuse apology for her Iraq vote ...
This is at the center of the problem for Democrats ... they purport to be a loyal, effective opposition but time after time they demonstrate no mastery of how to achieve that ...
This victory @ recent congressional elections is so much an endorsement of the protesters rather than the insiders ... of which the Dem establishment has been a beneficiary thx to the likes of Rahm Emanuel and Chuck Schumer and company ... and plenty of Obama's money ...
On this war issue she's disingenuous because any valid assessment reveals that her vote decision was based on political calculus disguised as presidential latitude rather than hard, cold facts ... and now it should return to bite her firmly on the arse ...
Had Edwards or Kerry the balls to make the 'right' decision 2004 would have made for a more engaging vote ...
And, BTW ... starting from the point of departure that Obama and Clinton are at least intellectual equals, let us not compare Bush with Obama ... it's just not on ... like running for two when it should have been a quick single between the wickets ...
Let's face it ... the factors that recommended Dubya to be Texas governor (and thus rendered White House ready via executive experience) will never be factors available to a Barack Obama ... so kudos to the man for having fashioned his own way of trying to get into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue ...
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#55464 - 02/12/07 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by Princess: I don't have time to draw race card. I am not a West Coast Ras! In America I am not only Black, I am a woman and an immigrant. Education, health and immigration are close to me. So I have to see where he stands on those issues. I know what's Hil's platform. I must go with who is QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED. Something Jamaica is not used to doing.
If it was Powell or Clinton, there would be a hard one. Powell is more experienced in foreign affairs and I would give Clinton the domestic affairs (no pun intended )award. But as I am a registered Dem, well u know how that go. Anyway, it's still a few months away. I will watch and see.
If she wins the party nomination, I will be anxious to see who she selects as her running mate. That, I believe, will be the issue as it may sway the undecided voters. Well said P, well said. I endorse your sentiments whole heartedly.
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#55465 - 02/12/07 07:30 AM
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Harvard over Yale any day. And head of the Law Review too -- Gravitas for days.
Actually, I am less troubled by Biden's comments than most. Obama is extremely articulate for ANY politician of ANY race. I think his greatest attribute is not to come across as too intellectual -- a death knell in brainless slogan-loving America.
At the end of the day, it is way too early to make any predictions. A lot of skeletons or miscues to come that will kill off one or more of these frontrunners.
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#55466 - 02/12/07 07:31 AM
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#55467 - 02/12/07 09:56 AM
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Obama is a very smart guy! Running for the Democratic US presidential candidate is a 'win-win' situation for him.
1. If he goes all the way...WIN 2. If he goes far and still lose ..WIN 3. If he loses out early still WIN
WIN ... because in all cases he will get several million copies of his book sold.
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#55468 - 02/12/07 11:15 AM
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In light of the many comments, I'd like to ask what qualifies someone to be President?
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#55469 - 02/12/07 12:16 PM
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Anybody can guess why the Austrialian Prime Minister (Howard) took an early swing at Obama?
Yes you guess right....He can't stand to see a black man even thinking of running for president of the USA. This is 'unthinkable' in Austrailia. I can just imagine his private conversation : "Who the hell does he think he is?"
Howard claimed that he is criticizing Obama's Iraq policy of pushing for a pull out of US troop starting next year but he failed to even mention Edwards(another candidate) who's Iraq's policy is far more drastic by demanding an immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Iraq.
Also while implying that the democrats are soft on terrorism, he never mentioned Hillary by name even though she opposes to the increase of US troop levels in Iraq and also favors troops withdrawal on a phase basis.
...but I like the response that Obama gave him... he basically says : "Since you think the war in Iraq is the correct thing then increase the Austrailian troop levels in Iraq from 1,500 to 21,500, or shut the F...up, mind your own F...ing business and keep your nose out of US politics ".
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#55470 - 02/12/07 12:55 PM
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Australia is one of the most racist nations in the world. Bun a fiyah pan di racist Aussies.
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#55471 - 02/12/07 01:37 PM
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Double B:
but I like the response that Obama gave him... he basically says : "Since you think the war in Iraq is the correct thing then increase the Austrailian troop levels in Iraq from 1,500 to 21,500, or shut the F...up, mind your own F...ing business and keep your nose out of US politics ". :D
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#55472 - 02/12/07 02:52 PM
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Absolutely - there's no doubt in my mind that Howard would have been less inclined to come out the gate with his commentary, but for whom he thinks Obama is (or is not). Out of order.
I heard an Australian journalist defend Howard (on the BBC) by saying that the US presidential race had not yet started and that it's unlikely that Howard's comments could be determinative of anything ... so far from the truth ... the race IS on and the media and public scrutinized Obama's response and his handling of the matter ...
Howard's track record speaks for itself. Gwarn bun yuh fire Yardman.
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#55473 - 02/12/07 04:29 PM
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I even heard on the BBC that Obama did cocaine so why are they troubling the british opposition leader for smoking weed when he was a yute. They will come at Obama from all angles..
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#55474 - 02/13/07 09:03 AM
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Some people would ask if the US is ready for a Black president. The question should be if the white rich countries of the world are ready for a Black US president? I think the US would be more ready for a Black president than these racist fools. The most powerful country in the world is ruled a Black man? These G-8 leaders are trembling at the thought. Many of them have very poor track records when dealing with race issues - France, Italy, Spain, etc.
I think Obama will receive more heat outside the US than inside - That Australian FOOL made the first punch. Look for many more to come!
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#55475 - 02/13/07 09:11 AM
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Big M, I don't believe any of the real leaders of the G-8 countries will be trembling at the thought of a Black US president! Why? them done know that no US president will be selected without the prior approval of the power elite.
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#55476 - 02/13/07 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by jt: I even heard on the BBC that Obama did cocaine so why are they troubling the british opposition leader for smoking weed when he was a yute. They will come at Obama from all angles.. JT..Yes he admitted using coke in his book, so he is smart enough to air his own dirty laundry B4 they dig and keep on digging...I was noticing how each news reel has a interview with potential supporters but each one is a black and I wish they start interviewing other races......
The ......real " RACE " continues...
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#55477 - 02/13/07 03:26 PM
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Jahjesty: A lot of skeletons or miscues to come that will kill off one or more of these frontrunners. You're not lying Jj, Sen. Obama apologized today from remarks he made while on the campaign trail last week in Ohio. He said that "all the troops that died so far was a waste".
He said that it was a slip of the tongue. Talk about miscue ehh in these early days.
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#55478 - 02/14/07 06:37 PM
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Well, here's what's among the latest:
Two prominent black elected officials in South Carolina -- State Senators Robert Ford and Darrell Jackson -- endorsed US Senator Hillary Clinton on Tuesday. The influential duo told the AP they were courted by Senator Obama, but decided to endorse Clinton because they want the Democrats to win in November. "I love Obama, but I'm not going to kill myself ... Everybody else on the ballot is doomed [if Obama wins the nomination]. Every Democratic candidate running on that ticket would lose because [Obama] is black and he's at the top of the ticket -- we'd lose the House, the Senate and the Governors and everything," said Ford. Just imagine the backlash if a white politician had made those same remarks. THE BACK STORY:
Ford says he likes Obama, but thinks his candidacy would hurt Democrats. Ford says every Democrat on the ticket would lose with Obama as the presidential candidate because he is black.
Here is his quote, from the Associated Press:
"Then everybody else on the ballot is doomed. Every Democratic candidate running on that ticket would lose because he's black and he's at the top of the ticket. We'd lose the House, the Senate and the governors and everything. I'm a gambling man. I love Obama. But I'm not going to kill myself."
News19 asked Ford about his comments, which were made during a speech several weeks ago. He explains the statement this way:
"I was challenged by a young person about why a black person like you is not supporting a black candidate. In the past, I have supported black candidates...And he kept challenging me, and I said well, I asked him blah, blah, blah, it led to something else. That's all heat of passion. But I wish Senator Obama well."
Later in the day, however, he made a statment to the Associated Press, saying, "If I caused anybody – including myself – any pain about the comments I made earlier, then I want to apologize to myself and to Senator Obama and any of his supporters."
For most of the interview with News19, he didn't talk specifically about his quote, saying that he strongly supports Clinton.
"She's speaking the same language(in the U.S. Senate) as I am in the South Carolina Senate."
Ford says he's been a friend of the Clintons since 1992. He says he was swayed by calls from the Clintons.
Ford and Jackson helped South Carolina native John Edwards win the state's primary in 2004. The former North Carolina senator is running again next year, too. But Jackson says Edwards had his chance four years ago.
News19 contacted Jackson's office Tuesday. He issued the following statement: "I think that Obama running for president is good for America, but I don't support him. I think Clinton has the most experience, and is ready to lead the nation right now."
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#55479 - 02/14/07 08:03 PM
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Thats what I am talking about.. Even when a black man step up to do the job and show he has the potential to do the job its his own that will kick him in the teeth.
We are not even talking JFF and CB here.
That dude Ford is just blindly following Clinton. Its not even about if the Obama dude is good enough or not. Its about Ford not thinking he can win... and it does sound similar to what Princess said earlier in the thread.
Obama as a blackman still has to get past his colour first b4 he is even considered a senator or potential president it seems..
The question isn't if America is ready for a black presi... Are the black people ready????
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