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#34742 - 06/02/06 12:31 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Yuh mean England beat England....1950 all those footballers on the USA team were born & raised in England..
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#34743 - 06/02/06 01:17 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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For Jamaica to win we need Bennett to start instead of Burton.

In order for us to put pressure on the defense of England we need two players upfront that are comfortable taking on defenders as we can't afford to have them key in on Fuller and lock down the forward line

Now is a perfect time to start Jermaine Johnson or Tefore Bennet alongside Fuller and leave Campbell Ryce on the right.

this would force England on the back foot as I think they are suspect against skilled teams coming at them.

One question
If Burton had scored the goal against the USA and Bennett join dem inna England would we have put Bennet over Burton on the starting line up?

come now people can we at least let Burton "earn" his way back on the starting line up?

Hell we didn't even need to call him in my opinion as JJ and Bennett is more than an able fill in and also a reward for playing all those games for free(come now people we all know if the English players dem nah get paid then the yard one dem definetly nah get pay)

We can at least give the Bennett a shot iyah how we just relegate our own to the back pages so after that clinical finish against the US?

wow
anyway Shaggy carry on as mi nah go mash up the dance but mi just have two tune wah ago talk fi mi.


Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
none but ourselves can free our mind.....rrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

And fi the soldier Bennet rude you we nah play no chuck fenda "can't stop try we have fi win" or no Sizzla "can't keep a good man down" Hear how our dubs dem expensive

Sitting here in Limbo
waiting for my dice to roll
they are putting up resistance
but I know my faith will lead me home ssseeeeeeellllllllleeeeeeeeecttaaaaa!!!

You think a Jimmy Cliff alone Beres come cross fi Bennett cause all the one soundbwoy over deh so name Shaggy or a Scrappy? dash him weh so Beres wah you a tell Bennett say?

Though I never can understand it
the way the system plan
there is no hopely chance
no loophole
no escaper for a suffer man

cause everytime you lift your head above water and try to save yourself from drown
there is some overnight scheme worked out
design to keep your down

(bennett sing out pon Shaggy and dem!)
But I am putting up resistance
I am gonna work it out aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! do me a beg the man dem fi hold down the thing deh.

Weh Shaggy run gone? a him dat behind the box a duck down?

respect
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#34744 - 06/02/06 06:42 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Powell hopes Boyz play well against England

Ian Burnett, Sports Editor
Friday, June 02, 2006



POWELL... sees huge gulf in quality of the teams
Manchester City, England - Former Reggae Boy Darryl Powell has warned that the Reggae Boyz should not be underestimated when they face England in an historic friendly at Old Trafford tomorrow.

However, Powell, who was a member of Rene Simoes' squad at the World Cup Finals in France in 1998, was convinced that if the present squad is to compete against England, they must improve considerably over Monday's first-half performance.

"In life never underestimate anybody," said Powell, who was most vividly remembered for his first-half ejection against Argentina at the Finals.

"I'm sure the England people would have been here... and would have probably left 15 minutes into the second half saying this is going to be an easy day for us.," added the former Derby County midfielder, now turned football agent at the end of Monday's game against Ghana at Walkers Stadium.

Powell also sees a huge gulf in the quality of the teams, and he expects the 1966 World Cup winners to come out on top.
".Don't get me wrong, Jamaica will have to put in a far better performance than they did (Monday) for the first half, at least," he said, referring to the first 45 minutes when the Boyz were cold and totally out of rhythm in going down 2-0 at the break.

And though the second half performance from the Boyz was better, Powell, who left the Reggae Boyz team after the failed 2002 World Cup campaign, said some of the errors made can't be repeated against England.

"In the second half they (Boyz) made a couple of errors and you can't afford to make these sorts of errors at the highest levels. But having said that, it's a big game for the Jamaican players, and... I don't think they will roll over and give up easily," he said.

The hard-working midfielde rated the Boyz's performance in the first half as "very, very poor".

"The team never got started at all. I will let them off a little bit in that they never turned up until 30 minutes before kick-off.

"The service into the strikers was non-existent and when it did go... in the first half they never held it up; they couldn't do anything with it. Basically, it was a half dominated by Ghana and they could have easily have gone three, four goals up at half time," he argued.

Powell praised the introduction of Southampton striker Ricardo Fuller at the break, believing it made the difference. Overall, Powell is not overly sold on the quality of the Jamaican team, especially in midfield.

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#34745 - 06/02/06 08:19 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Shatta_Cleve:
For Jamaica to win we need Bennett to start instead of Burton.

In order for us to put pressure on the defense of England we need two players upfront that are comfortable taking on defenders as we can't afford to have them key in on Fuller and lock down the forward line

Now is a perfect time to start Jermaine Johnson or Tefore Bennet alongside Fuller and leave Campbell Ryce on the right.

this would force England on the back foot as I think they are suspect against skilled teams coming at them.

One question
If Burton had scored the goal against the USA and Bennett join dem inna England would we have put Bennet over Burton on the starting line up?

come now people can we at least let Burton "earn" his way back on the starting line up?

Hell we didn't even need to call him in my opinion as JJ and Bennett is more than an able fill in and also a reward for playing all those games for free(come now people we all know if the English players dem nah get paid then the yard one dem definetly nah get pay)

We can at least give the Bennett a shot iyah how we just relegate our own to the back pages so after that clinical finish against the US?

wow
anyway Shaggy carry on as mi nah go mash up the dance but mi just have two tune wah ago talk fi mi.


Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
none but ourselves can free our mind.....rrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

And fi the soldier Bennet rude you we nah play no chuck fenda "can't stop try we have fi win" or no Sizzla "can't keep a good man down" Hear how our dubs dem expensive

Sitting here in Limbo
waiting for my dice to roll
they are putting up resistance
but I know my faith will lead me home ssseeeeeeellllllllleeeeeeeeecttaaaaa!!!

You think a Jimmy Cliff alone Beres come cross fi Bennett cause all the one soundbwoy over deh so name Shaggy or a Scrappy? dash him weh so Beres wah you a tell Bennett say?

Though I never can understand it
the way the system plan
there is no hopely chance
no loophole
no escaper for a suffer man

cause everytime you lift your head above water and try to save yourself from drown
there is some overnight scheme worked out
design to keep your down

(bennett sing out pon Shaggy and dem!)
But I am putting up resistance
I am gonna work it out aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! do me a beg the man dem fi hold down the thing deh.

Weh Shaggy run gone? a him dat behind the box a duck down?

respect


To tell you the truth Shatta, the reason I took Bennett is because I really don't know Bennett. I guess I would leave it up to the coach to make the decision based on what he is seeing in practice. I have this maybe unfounded feeling in the back of my mind that many of the local born brethrens are not as refined in their fundamentals of control, passing and finishing as their European counterparts. We see this all the time.

I chose Burton because though he is less flashy, we know what we are getting with him, and I suspect he may be more sound because of the 10 more years of training in professional setups that he has received over Bennett. He is also a hard worker (he runs a lot), something I know that has plagued Jamaicans, who often play a more laid back or lazy style of ball.

I've seen Bennett score two goals. The last was based on a good read made by Hue to which Bennett made the only reaction he could have made. His finish in the open goal was complete, but not particularly impressive. The other goal he scored against the US was well taken. A header if I recall.

That's all I've seen from him. He is 19 years old and fast, but I don't know for sure what his finishing is like and I have never seen him on the ball for prolonged periods so as to make a judgment. For this reason, I choose Burton, who is experienced, who I do know, and who has been scoring a lot for his club in a professional setup. This is not a game to be taken lightly and I would want to see the best possible team and the most effective team. This is not a game to just "buss the youth." This is a game we want to do our best to succeed in.

That said, if WD looks at the team in practice and sees that Bennett is the right answer, I would not second guess his decision. Similarly, if you see Burton start the game, it means that WD probably saw some of those positives and you would need to put put a lid on those slave mentality arguments that you seem to like making for argument's sake.

My choice of Burton is based on the fact that I am not in practice and I do not see what is happening day to day. So given the information I have NOW, I would select Burton every time unless I saw it not working. If it fails during the game I would look for Bennett to start the second half.

The best team should be on the field and I think WD is good enough to get that done. If Bennett starts, I would not question that decision and I think we can agree on that?


[This message has been edited by shaggybear (edited 06-02-2006).]
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#34746 - 06/02/06 08:49 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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See it there Shatta, not even WD know who to choose. The other factor I forgot to consider was size. Burton is built like a truck. The man leg them so big I am surprised he is able to run as fast as he does. heheheh
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#34747 - 06/02/06 08:54 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Check the levels Shaggy how does a player prove himself at the highest level?

I mean how does a striker prove himself?

Most of us are fans of club football and other nations so we know that chances in football for strikers might be limited if you are playing against a #5 ranked team in the WORLD!!! so when a striker takes his chances with a clinical finishing in one game is he benched in the next?

How high is England ranked anyway?

So wait how no one nah talk bout team chemistry? Has Burton ever played with most of these players before? When last has he played on the national team? Has he ever played for WD before?

Is practise good enough to send him right in the line up?

By the way let me address my use of second-class mentality bossman.

Its never ever ever done without reason and that is why I recommend certain books and movies for the I them to watch and read so that we can understand what really is taking place.

If you notice I am not malicious with it and its done with a certain sense of humor. Its more a poke in the side than a full fledge uppercut.

Sometimes when we accept certain things and believe in the goodness of others(in other words naive) its my duty to remind the man dem of the "real world" out there.

We can't trust everyone on the site who comes here and whose job it seems is to make us have self doubt and wallow in inferior thinking as they have an agenda.

I am fighting a mini war with them to stop their agenda and if unnu think say thats a lark then watch the corporation and come back and reason with me.(I am sure you already read art of war)

dem man yah have billions of dollars invested in US football and dem need the US to qualify for the world cup so what make unnu think dem want competition? If the corporate world uses spies and agents of destabilization then what makes unnu think companies affiliated with US football nah used them?

check out some man post round here and notice say dem come round fi make us wallow in our pity. If unnu no see the agenda then pay close attention.

I don't willi nilli do things, to the untrained eye it might appear that way but keep an open mind and look at things and you will see.

We are sometimes too accepting of our position without asking questions. My job is to force us to ask ourselves tough questions about how we think. I might not be liked but....

BTW Keshi for assistant TD as this alone sealed it for me.

He looked at his star player and told him not to mess with him as he wouldn't dare deal with the white man(Arse Wegner) that way and he isn't going to allow him to talk to him that way.

They had to get rid of him as they couldn't allow that type of black man at the world cup. Just imagine if his team did well and what the ramifications of that could mean for a whole race of people?

Now apply that to us and you will see why my second-class mentality is appropriate

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#34748 - 06/02/06 09:59 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Yes...time fi the match..

I have my VCR set and 3 tapes wating. The backup VCR is also primed.

I'm all prepared, the Jersey(98 WC style) ironed and lying infront of the TV where i'll be watching the match. Breakfast food ready fi cook. I hope I can sleep tonite.

Rhatid, It feel like a me a play tomorrow...

Come on BOYZ>>>>>>>>>>>

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#34749 - 06/02/06 10:17 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Yes...time fi the match..

I have my VCR set and 3 tapes wating. The backup VCR is also primed.

I'm all prepared, the Jersey(98 WC style) ironed and lying infront of the TV where i'll be watching the match. Breakfast food ready fi cook. I hope I can sleep tonite.

Rhatid, It feel like a me a play tomorrow...

Come on BOYZ>>>>>>>>>>>



VCR? Good to go yaah. Better than what I have (nothing).

Shatta, you should be ashamed of yourself for calling out FIFA rankings.

On to the game!!!

Bennett betta than Beckham sound good to me!
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#34750 - 06/02/06 10:22 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Shatta, you should be ashamed of yourself for calling out FIFA rankings.

- - - Wait deh Shaggy you see through dah one deh too? so how you a gwaan like .... you know what unnu see things when it suit unnu enough -

You know Bend it Like Bennet would sound better but the bwoy Beckham no rob it?

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#34751 - 06/02/06 10:43 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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HEADLINE: FIFA RANKINGS CONVENIENTLY USED

Yeh, I noticed that as well but decided to give him a blind. This is one of those occasions where yu no blow the whistle based on the spirit rather than the letter of 'the law'.

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#34752 - 06/02/06 10:44 AM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Based on training reports, it seems as if WD is leaning towards Fuller/Shelton combo as against Fuller/Burton, although not satisfied with the former. I think Fuller/Burton should start, as experience and confidence are what we need for the first 45 minutes. Most of the games I have seen so far, the Boyz always start shakey for the first 30 minutes.

We need some calmness and cool heads for the first 45 minutes. That's what Burton brings to the team. The second half, we can bring on the runners and all the fancy stuff as confidence builds.

[This message has been edited by Big Mountain (edited 06-02-2006).]
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#34753 - 06/02/06 02:26 PM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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Well, Euell seems confident of a good showing. Listen ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/video_and_audio/help_guide/4304501.stm

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#34754 - 06/02/06 02:27 PM Re: Enough - On to the Game JA v. ENG
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/video_and_audio/default.stm
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