Originally posted by pelepapa: Haitiball mama always said there will be days like this.
In CR's case I see positives. They will be under no illusions that they are better than they really are, which is a mindset they tend to get into, especially since outsiders like to overhype them. Another thing is that CR have a bad habit of not playing their best 11 at the beginning of tournaments. They always try to get by with as white a team as possible, when they start losing then the team mysteriously become darker and they tend to start getting results. Black CRicans have always acknowledge this and that is why we are conflicted about the team. We would like for them to win early in tournaments, but we also know that if they do then the black role players won't see any action. I choose to root for them to lose early if the right players are not on the field. That's why this is not such a frightful situation for me.
Jamaica is a little bit different and a little more troubling. A 4 - 1 lost to a team that traditionally display the same lack of discipline as themself is a little disconcerting, but even there I'm a little comforted by 3 things.
1- Ghana is WC bound and is more concentrated on their preparation than JA.
2- The Ites are showing more restraint than their usual 'irrational de-exuberance' after a bad game/loss. So there is a glimmer of hope they will allow the program to run its course and go through the necessary growth process before calling for yet another wholesale revamping as is customary.
3- The Ites saw where I challenged Xy that if he can get the Ites to not revert to their usual ways after one bad game/loss and show restraint then I will grant him his PHD in hypnotherapy. Xy thought his dream of getting his PHD was improbable if those were the conditions, but I knew the ites would want to support their fellow ite and would do the improbable and show restraint towards that end. And I've been proven right so far.
Damn, that sounds racist!! Oh, sorry, i forgot. That sounds "expressive".
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Originally posted by ddread: Damn, that sounds racist!! Oh, sorry, i forgot. That sounds "expressive".
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Ddread you were doing so well since that thread and now you are showing signs of reverting back to the foolish ways of arguing.
One last time. Mi neva dispute whether there was racism or not, that's indisputable. I wasn't even disputing more or less.
Why don't you get it...What is so difficult?
Do yourself a favor. Since you seem to be easily led astray by other ites, from now on before responding to a post you yourself should read the 'original' post to which you are responding instead of formulating your responses base on someone else's willful misguided response.
All mi talk you nah listen. Use your brain no man. Isn't it obvious by my post about the make up of the CRican team that I could not be possible saying that there was no racism in CR, and just maybe there was a misinterpretation somewhere which you naively ran with and continue to run with?
Come on man I was beginning to rate you arguments even if I disagreed with them, then you come back with this nonsense.
Ah who ah di fool...you or me? Because one of us is acting like it.
I would patiently explain my arguments, but I don't have much patience fi a man who keep insisting on telling me what I said. It's my argument so if there is a misunderstanding then it can't be coming from me.
Furthermore I made that argument about the team on another thread long before the discussion of racism ever came up. Therefore I didn't need you or anyone else to inform me that racism existed in CR.
You ah lambast the JFF and you exhibiting the same self-destructive traits.
Originally posted by ZEE: Off course than man sure... The current FIFA ranking has JAMAICA (46), T&T (47), GHANA (48)...
Is a good thing Ghana neva rank higher than us or we woulda get a bigga beating... Oh yeah... Just checked back... AUSTRALIA (42) and dem give we 5....
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I am very big on all the African sides but what I saw yesterday was disappointing to say the least.
All the goals scored were blunders rather than a build up of sleek passes and combinations. I didn't see a prolific striker at the end of those goals either. I didn't see them creating space or having us back pedaling and defending furiously. Instead, they capitalized on the defense's lapses and uncharacteristic drops by Ricketts.
The boyz came out cold like a boxer and got knocked out. The 30 minutes late arrival would have caused havoc in the minds of guys who are concerned about getting injured and the lack of warm up shot on goal etc. We were simply not at our best and can do much better which was evident in the second half.
Maybe my expectations are too high for the African sides.
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Originally posted by pelepapa: Ddread you were doing so well since that thread and now you are showing signs of reverting back to the foolish ways of arguing.
One last time. Mi neva dispute whether there was racism or not, that's indisputable. I wasn't even disputing more or less.
Why don't you get it...What is so difficult?
Do yourself a favor. Since you seem to be easily led astray by other ites, from now on before responding to a post you yourself should read the 'original' post to which you are responding instead of formulating your responses base on someone else's willful misguided response.
All mi talk you nah listen. Use your brain no man. Isn't it obvious by my post about the make up of the CRican team that I could not be possible saying that there was no racism in CR, and just maybe there was a misinterpretation somewhere which you naively ran with and continue to run with?
Come on man I was beginning to rate you arguments even if I disagreed with them, then you come back with this nonsense.
Ah who ah di fool...you or me? Because one of us is acting like it.
I would patiently explain my arguments, but I don't have much patience fi a man who keep insisting on telling me what I said. It's my argument so if there is a misunderstanding then it can't be coming from me.
Furthermore I made that argument about the team on another thread long before the discussion of racism ever came up. Therefore I didn't need you or anyone else to inform me that racism existed in CR.
You ah lambast the JFF and you exhibiting the same self-destructive traits.
just pushing the buttons pp, as if things not riled up enough 'round here. Couldn't resist! Anyway, this thread already have 200+ so no need to run up 200 more on those red neck costaricans .
Hey, mi have a bredrin looking for land to buy in CR. Him have some things a gwaan in Panama but him a try a move at CR. know anything?
I don't know, it sounds more troubling to me that you have to root against your team for it to do well.
Must point out that you said CR fans overhype the team (not unlike JA or many other countries) and that a lot of this is external (not unlike JA supporters-many on this forum). I think I'm missing the distinction you are making.
To the extent you are saying JA's performance was troubling. Keep in mind that these guys have not been on the same field together before.
Last time Euell, Fuller and King were on the field together was in 2004. At that time, the midfield was different from what it is now. Defenders had a settling force with them in Marshall at the time, and I think it may be high time....
...anyway, the full team had only FOUR DAYS to practice together in England before the Ghana match, and that match was their first opportunity to achieve cohesiveness after splintered practice sessions. We were still able to show that the group could actually play as a team, though it took most of the first half for it to start coming together.
Ghana has been playing games and practicing in Europe for weeks.
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Originally posted by ddread: just pushing the buttons pp, as if things not riled up enough 'round here. Couldn't resist! Anyway, this thread already have 200+ so no need to run up 200 more on those red neck costaricans .
Hey, mi have a bredrin looking for land to buy in CR. Him have some things a gwaan in Panama but him a try a move at CR. know anything?
I hear yu boss.
Wrong person fi ask bout buying land in CR. I don't even encourage people fi go visit much less buy it up.
My Nigerian colleague always ah tell mi bout he wants to look into buying land in CR fi retire and mi always ask him whats wrong with Nigeria.
Originally posted by terminator: I am very big on all the African sides but what I saw yesterday was disappointing to say the least.
All the goals scored were blunders rather than a build up of sleek passes and combinations. I didn't see a prolific striker at the end of those goals either. I didn't see them creating space or having us back pedaling and defending furiously. Instead, they capitalized on the defense's lapses and uncharacteristic drops by Ricketts.
The boyz came out cold like a boxer and got knocked out. The 30 minutes late arrival would have caused havoc in the minds of guys who are concerned about getting injured and the lack of warm up shot on goal etc. We were simply not at our best and can do much better which was evident in the second half.
Maybe my expectations are too high for the African sides.
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Term - the most important thing for Ghana is to gel as a team, get into Matchfitness, Avoid Injuries etc - Everyone expected Ghana to beat Jamaica despited those priorities - im not dissapointed about Ghana - don't forget Ghana played an Opponent there are 2-3 classes above Jamaica (Turkey) in Germany on the 26th of may- Jamaica if they had better players better coaching should have utilized that in this match - and given Ghana a run for their Money
[QUOTE]Originally posted by shaggybear: [B]I don't know, it sounds more troubling to me that you have to root against your team for it to do well. ------------------------------------- Their selection is flawed and they know it. They might be racist, but they are not stupid, they are not going to throw away a tournament. They will draw fi the black players to strengthen the team when their white players prove worthless. And if they insist on playing the white players then to hell with them, let them lose. Most black CRicans would tell you the same thing. Not only will they lose, but they should lose. Wi no skin up and look the other way, that naw do us, black CRicans, any good. If black players are left off the team for less talented white players then the team fi lose. Straight! -------------------------------------------- Must point out that you said CR fans overhype the team (not unlike JA or many other countries) and that a lot of this is external (not unlike JA supporters-many on this forum). I think I'm missing the distinction you are making. -------------------------- Man you read bad eh? I said outsiders not CRicans fans. Sometimes I wonder which game the announcers ah watch when them ah heep praise pon CR. Even on this forum most ites have a higher regards for the CRican team than I do. ----------------------- To the extent you are saying JA's performance was troubling. Keep in mind that these guys have not been on the same field together before.
Last time Euell, Fuller and King were on the field together was in 2004. At that time, the midfield was different from what it is now. Defenders had a settling force with them in Marshall at the time, and I think it may be high time....
...anyway, the full team had only FOUR DAYS to practice together in England before the Ghana match, and that match was their first opportunity to achieve cohesiveness after splintered practice sessions. We were still able to show that the group could actually play as a team, though it took most of the first half for it to start coming together.
Ghana has been playing games and practicing in Europe for weeks. --------------------------------------------
Mi know...mi know and I agree. Once in a while I try to see what it feels like to talk without putting things in context. You know, like most people. It feels strange mi no know how unnu do it. Not you of course.
You noticed I made a qualification? I did say I found comfort in the fact that Ghana's preparation was more focused than JA because they are playing in the WC.
O.k. I follow you, but it could also be that you write badder than I read. You said "outsiders." You could very easily have been referring to everyone not actually living in CR (cause the only praise me hear from anybody bout 0-5 4-0 CR come from CR people). Everybody else from outside Concaf want to know is what oonuh doing in WC. hahahahah
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Originally posted by shaggybear: Why? (Serious question-genuinely interested, and it has nothing to do with our prior debates).
Different mindset Shaggy. I rather see CR in the hands of CRicans even if it means CR develop at a slower pace. I don't believe foreign individuals bring wealth to a country.
A few years ago a Jamaican sistren came to me very elated and told me that she saw a documentary of CR on the TV and that it would be good for CR for the word to get out so that it can become more well known. She was genuinely perplex when I didn't see it quite that way.
No so call third world country ever became prosperous by allowing foreigners to buy up their land and resources. They have become poorer and more unstable, but not wealthier.
Most foreigners have motives that are not conducive to the betterment of life for average Costa Ricans so I can't in good conscience support that.
A man will buy if him want to buy, I can't really do much about it, but when I'm asked I plead the 5th.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by shaggybear: [B]O.k. I follow you, but it could also be that you write badder than I read. ------------------------------------------- You could very well be right. ------------------------------- You said "outsiders." You could very easily have been referring to everyone not actually living in CR (cause the only praise me hear from anybody bout 0-5 4-0 CR come from CR people). Everybody else from outside Concaf want to know is what oonuh doing in WC. hahahahah -------------------------------------- You know that's not true. As a matter of fact I've started to have more appreciation for the CRican team not from reading CRican sites or talking to CRicans, but from this very forum as well as from listening to the announcers during the games and talking to other people in the CONCACAF region. Even the Nigerian brethrin I mentioned earlier always a try fi convince mi how good the team is.
The most I will say about the CRican team is that we get the results when they matter, especially in our region. I don't know if that means we are good, lucky, destined or what, but we get the results.
Right now mi ah watch FSC and the man ah broadcast from CR, Mi just change the channel. Cho!
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You hearing reports here bout how CR good from the same people who a sing JA praises. . CR does well in Concacaf, so they are seen as relatively potent from within Concacaf.
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Originally posted by pelepapa: Different mindset Shaggy. I rather see CR in the hands of CRicans even if it means CR develop at a slower pace. I don't believe foreign individuals bring wealth to a country.
A few years ago a Jamaican sistren came to me very elated and told me that she saw a documentary of CR on the TV and that it would be good for CR for the word to get out so that it can become more well known. She was genuinely perplex when I didn't see it quite that way.
No so call third world country ever became prosperous by allowing foreigners to buy up their land and resources. They have become poorer and more unstable, but not wealthier.
Most foreigners have motives that are not conducive to the betterment of life for average Costa Ricans so I can't in good conscience support that.
A man will buy if him want to buy, I can't really do much about it, but when I'm asked I plead the 5th.
As a democrat you should understand.
I could agree with your view if you're not talking about someone who is picking up and moving to CR and investing his world of money back into CR. If there is no capital flight, and the person is a net contributor or value, I'm not sure how your view would be correct.
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Originally posted by A Concerned Viking: Term - the most important thing for Ghana is to gel as a team, get into Matchfitness, Avoid Injuries etc - Everyone expected Ghana to beat Jamaica despited those priorities - im not dissapointed about Ghana - don't forget Ghana played an Opponent there are 2-3 classes above Jamaica (Turkey) in Germany on the 26th of may- Jamaica if they had better players better coaching should have utilized that in this match - and given Ghana a run for their Money
Word! I want to pick them in my fantasy pool but bouy...
Jamaica is no match for england there lucky if they get 25% possesion and 3 shots.. england has rooney terry lampard gerrard hargreaves beckham cole campbell ferdinand owen.... jamaica is in for a serious embarrasment
Originally posted by shaggybear: I could agree with your view if you're not talking about someone who is picking up and moving to CR and investing his world of money back into CR. If there is no capital flight, and the person is a net contributor or value, I'm not sure how your view would be correct.
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Why are you hijacking the man them football thread? Ah Shaggy fault not mine.
Shaggy it's funny how things never work out that way. Do you know anywhere where this has work out as you suggested?
Let them be a net contributor where they came from.
The first value they add to the society is to dummy down the population. Why go to school and study when you can jump into the workforce right away cutting a man yard, cleaning his house and taking care of his snotty kids. You pulling in more money earlier than some fool who chose to go to school and is not going to make much more than you when he comes out.
I am interested in creating wealth for the population as a whole, or at least letting them control their own natural wealth, not in depleting it by the false notion that if you get a raise in income you increase your wealth. Rich people know poor people confuse money for wealth, that's why they will gladly give them money while stealing their wealth.
A short-term boost for a long-term nightmare.
As more of these net contributors, as you call them, move into your country they drive up the price of everything making the population poorer as a result.
They dummy down the population then they themselves become more politically active and aggressive pitting the government against its own people in the name of protecting their 'invested' interest, which only leads to more misery for the average man and eventually some kind of civil war. Is all this misery worth a couple of years of increase income for a few?
It might not happen overnight, but it will happen eventually.
There are examples throughout history of this very scenario.
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