Bwoy, I came here searching for a few images and couldn't find them ...
I figured one of the usual enterprising souls on here would have honed in on one of the week's most volatile issues ... and brought it to the cutting-edge, versatile forum (beacon of democracy as it is) ... and represented by so many (self-)proclaimed fearless 'ites ...
So unless I missed something and censorship done tek place regarding this subject on this forum ...
This is what the furore is all about (or at least related to).
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I fully support the defending of beliefs.. the images seem offensive
but....
If i know you will snap if i touch you then I may just go ahead a touch you....especially if it suits my agenda
Look at how Sadam is behaving towards the court... not saying he is being treated right because I dont know... but my view now is that he is irrational, short tempered and has no respect for his "country's" rule of law..
Likewise this revolt has made Muslims look bad, riots over pictures.(kinda like a man who puches a player who spits at him and get a red)..all they had to do was demand an apology and have lawyers deal with the newspaper...yes the pictures look degrading... but to the world they are showing extremist tendencies..
Furthermore smart rulers can attack you with no trace of themselves -- bush laughs quietly.. I may be way off base but again may not...
Danes can now kick some out...and they will claim its for security
Originally posted by collector: I fully support the defending of beliefs.. the images seem offensive
but....
If i know you will snap if i touch you then I may just go ahead a touch you....especially if it suits my agenda
Look at how Sadam is behaving towards the court... not saying he is being treated right because I dont know... but my view now is that he is irrational, short tempered and has no respect for his "country's" rule of law..
Likewise this revolt has made Muslims look bad, riots over pictures.(kinda like a man who puches a player who spits at him and get a red)..all they had to do was demand an apology and have lawyers deal with the newspaper...yes the pictures look degrading... but to the world they are showing extremist tendencies..
Furthermore smart rulers can attack you with no trace of themselves -- bush laughs quietly.. I may be way off base but again may not...
Danes can now kick some out...and they will claim its for security
Collector, regarding Saddam, what if a man come into your house, kick you out, tek weh you wife and belongings, well maybe you no mind the wife , set up new rule and then call you unreasonably, irrational and short-tempered because you won't accept his new rules in what you perceive to be your house? Now who is the irrational one? No the man who no expect a fight from you?
Not saying Saddam shouldn't be judged or tried, but to expect him to sit there quietly and accept someone else's "rule of law" under which he doesn't have a snowball chance in hell is rather .....
If we as black people had fought with the same fervor as these Muslims we would have been much better off in the long run. Our yes...but...attitude only emboldened our oppressors to oppress us even more. And lawyers and apologies?...Aren't we tired of those? We have been hiring lawyers and securing apologies for centuries now, no true Shaggy, and yet little if anything have change.
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Danish editor exposed as a neo-con As suspected, and claimed on this blog over the weekend, the inflammatory anti-Muslim cartoons published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten were a deliberate provocation designed to outrage and incite Muslims and thus engender support in Europe and America for the manufactured “clash of civilizations” engineered by the Straussian neocons. As Christopher Bollyn writes for the American Free Press, the neocon operative behind the cartoon scheme is Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, who has “has clear ties to the Zionist Neo-Cons.” Rose “traveled to Philadelphia in October 2004 to visit Daniel Pipes, the Neo-Con ideologue who says the only path to Middle East peace will come through a total Israeli military victory. Rose then penned a positive article about Pipes, who compares ‘militant Islam’ with fascism and communism,” Bollyn reveals.
Daniel Pipes is one of the more virulent and hateful of the Straussian neocons, famous for his racist and xenophobic statement that Muslim immigrants are “brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and not exactly maintaining Germanic standards of hygiene,” an attitude straight out of the Nazi school of racial hyperbole (a philosophy embraced by no small number of Jabotinsky Likudites and their fellow travelers among the traitorous Straussian neocons).
Bollyn continues:
“Agents of certain persuasion” are behind the egregious affront to Islam in order to provoke Muslims, Professor Mikael Rothstein of the University of Copenhagen told the BBC. The key “agent” is Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of JP, who commissioned cartoonists to produce the blasphemous images and then published them in Denmark’s leading morning paper last September….
Rose told the international paper owned by The New York Times that “he would not publish a cartoon of Israel’s Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as ‘racist.’”
As Daniel Pipes and his ilk have repeatedly demonstrated, it is not racist to characterize Arabs and Muslims as “brown-skinned peoples” suffering from bad hygiene, although it is a crime to take the apartheid state of Israel to task for murdering Palestinian children. But then, as Lenni Brenner has documented, the followers of Ze’ev Jabotinsky—and his political creation, the reactionary Likud Party in Israel—are not only well versed in fascism, but murderous racism as well.
As for the unapologetic stance of the Danes in regard to publishing the cartoons, Bollyn comments:
There is clearly a more sinister reason why the Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen refuses to issue a formal apology as demanded by Arab and Muslim governments. The hard-line position taken by Rasmussen, an ally in the “war on terror,” has more to do with advancing the “clash of civilizations” than defending free speech in Europe….
There is a deeper reason behind the publication of the offensive cartoons. Given the unapologetic position taken by the Danish government and the editors it appears very likely that tension with Islamic nations will increase and the international crisis will deepen. This is, after all, exactly what the global planners behind the “clash of civilizations” want.
The completely predictable reaction among Muslims sets the stage for violence and “false-flag” terror attacks as Europeans prepare to host the Olympics in Turin, Italy. The Turin-based La Stampa irresponsibly published the cartoons on Feb. 1, two days after Milan’s Corriere della Sera.
The anti-Islamic cartoon scandal is no laughing matter. If and when a terror attack does occur and the cartoons and angry Muslims are blamed for being the cause, the reason they were published will become clear. Europeans will become increasingly polarized and hostility to Islam will grow.
Of course, as the Straussian neocons prepare the next phase of their total war against Islam master plan—attacking Iran and possibly soon after Syria—tacit support from Europe will be a plus, especially after the false flag Gladio-like terror attacks in Madrid produced undesirable results (the Spanish people rejected José María Aznar, a neocon toady and grandson of a prominent fascist journalist).
So if terror attacks do indeed occur during the Olympics in Turin, we can point an accusatory finger quite naturally in the direction of the Straussian neocons, linked to Operation Gladio terrorism through Michael Ledeen, who is connected to Francesco Pazienza and the P2 Masonic Lodge responsible for the CIA-NATO sponsored Strategy of Tension terrorism campaign in Italy (an Italian criminal court convicted Pazienza in 1985 of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of criminals and terrorists, among other offenses, in relation to the Gladio bombing of a Bologna train station, killing more than 80 people; see Jeff Wells’ Rigorous Intuition).
“One of P-2’s specialties was the art of provocation,” writes Mark Zepezauer. “Leftist organizations like the Red Brigades were infiltrated, financed and / or created, and the resulting acts of terrorism, like the assassination of Italy’s premier in 1978 and the bombing of the railway station in Bologna in 1980, were blamed on the left. The goal of this ’strategy of tension’ was to convince Italian voters that the left was violent and dangerous—by helping make it so.”
In the same way, the Straussian neocons, taking a page from the P-2 provocation playbook, are attempting to convince Europeans and Americans that Muslims are “violent and dangerous” by “helping make it so,” as Bollyn’s revelations about Flemming Rose’s role in the inflammatory publication of the anti-Muslim cartoons in Jyllands-Posten and other newspapers make obvious.
we will see if the western press, beacon of freedom, will publish the holocast cartoons created by Muslims.
What if the Danes had posted cartoons depicting "niggers" as simple lazy spearchuckers with lesser intellectual ability, and the Danish government refused to speak out against the caricatures on free speech grounds.
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its quite interesting that there is no mention of the Article in Arabic explaining the purpose of these cartoons which followed them.
Its also quite interesting that the Muslim Community had the opportunity of trying this in court ..using the racism-law - but they didn't....
Its also interesting that an Egyptian magazine published these cartoons back in october...there was no reaction from the public.
Its also quite interesting that the Islamic priest in Denmark decided against legal actions but toured the Middleast in january showing pictures which had no relation the paper...like that guy with the pig face..which happened to be a frenchmen at local pig-festival in small town in France.
Its also very interesting that the burnings of embassies and consulates happened in Damascus and Beirut...given Hizbollah, Syria, Libanons ties with Iran...what was this thing about Iran being called before the Security Council (SC)..with the risk of possible sanctions...now who is at this moment members of the SC...except for the USA, England, Russia, China, France...and Denmark...???
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Originally posted by Tman: Danish editor exposed as a neo-con As suspected, and claimed on this blog over the weekend, the inflammatory anti-Muslim cartoons published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten were a deliberate provocation designed to outrage and incite Muslims and thus engender support in Europe and America for the manufactured “clash of civilizations” engineered by the Straussian neocons. As Christopher Bollyn writes for the American Free Press, the neocon operative behind the cartoon scheme is Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, who has “has clear ties to the Zionist Neo-Cons.” Rose “traveled to Philadelphia in October 2004 to visit Daniel Pipes, the Neo-Con ideologue who says the only path to Middle East peace will come through a total Israeli military victory. Rose then penned a positive article about Pipes, who compares ‘militant Islam’ with fascism and communism,” Bollyn reveals.
Daniel Pipes is one of the more virulent and hateful of the Straussian neocons, famous for his racist and xenophobic statement that Muslim immigrants are “brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and not exactly maintaining Germanic standards of hygiene,” an attitude straight out of the Nazi school of racial hyperbole (a philosophy embraced by no small number of Jabotinsky Likudites and their fellow travelers among the traitorous Straussian neocons).
Bollyn continues:
“Agents of certain persuasion” are behind the egregious affront to Islam in order to provoke Muslims, Professor Mikael Rothstein of the University of Copenhagen told the BBC. The key “agent” is Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of JP, who commissioned cartoonists to produce the blasphemous images and then published them in Denmark’s leading morning paper last September….
Rose told the international paper owned by The New York Times that “he would not publish a cartoon of Israel’s Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as ‘racist.’”
As Daniel Pipes and his ilk have repeatedly demonstrated, it is not racist to characterize Arabs and Muslims as “brown-skinned peoples” suffering from bad hygiene, although it is a crime to take the apartheid state of Israel to task for murdering Palestinian children. But then, as Lenni Brenner has documented, the followers of Ze’ev Jabotinsky—and his political creation, the reactionary Likud Party in Israel—are not only well versed in fascism, but murderous racism as well.
As for the unapologetic stance of the Danes in regard to publishing the cartoons, Bollyn comments:
There is clearly a more sinister reason why the Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen refuses to issue a formal apology as demanded by Arab and Muslim governments. The hard-line position taken by Rasmussen, an ally in the “war on terror,” has more to do with advancing the “clash of civilizations” than defending free speech in Europe….
There is a deeper reason behind the publication of the offensive cartoons. Given the unapologetic position taken by the Danish government and the editors it appears very likely that tension with Islamic nations will increase and the international crisis will deepen. This is, after all, exactly what the global planners behind the “clash of civilizations” want.
The completely predictable reaction among Muslims sets the stage for violence and “false-flag” terror attacks as Europeans prepare to host the Olympics in Turin, Italy. The Turin-based La Stampa irresponsibly published the cartoons on Feb. 1, two days after Milan’s Corriere della Sera.
The anti-Islamic cartoon scandal is no laughing matter. If and when a terror attack does occur and the cartoons and angry Muslims are blamed for being the cause, the reason they were published will become clear. Europeans will become increasingly polarized and hostility to Islam will grow.
Of course, as the Straussian neocons prepare the next phase of their total war against Islam master plan—attacking Iran and possibly soon after Syria—tacit support from Europe will be a plus, especially after the false flag Gladio-like terror attacks in Madrid produced undesirable results (the Spanish people rejected José María Aznar, a neocon toady and grandson of a prominent fascist journalist).
So if terror attacks do indeed occur during the Olympics in Turin, we can point an accusatory finger quite naturally in the direction of the Straussian neocons, linked to Operation Gladio terrorism through Michael Ledeen, who is connected to Francesco Pazienza and the P2 Masonic Lodge responsible for the CIA-NATO sponsored Strategy of Tension terrorism campaign in Italy (an Italian criminal court convicted Pazienza in 1985 of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of criminals and terrorists, among other offenses, in relation to the Gladio bombing of a Bologna train station, killing more than 80 people; see Jeff Wells’ Rigorous Intuition).
“One of P-2’s specialties was the art of provocation,” writes Mark Zepezauer. “Leftist organizations like the Red Brigades were infiltrated, financed and / or created, and the resulting acts of terrorism, like the assassination of Italy’s premier in 1978 and the bombing of the railway station in Bologna in 1980, were blamed on the left. The goal of this ’strategy of tension’ was to convince Italian voters that the left was violent and dangerous—by helping make it so.”
In the same way, the Straussian neocons, taking a page from the P-2 provocation playbook, are attempting to convince Europeans and Americans that Muslims are “violent and dangerous” by “helping make it so,” as Bollyn’s revelations about Flemming Rose’s role in the inflammatory publication of the anti-Muslim cartoons in Jyllands-Posten and other newspapers make obvious.
we will see if the western press, beacon of freedom, will publish the holocast cartoons created by Muslims.
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Most Muslims dont support the violent protest either. We should not give them any excuse to say: "I told you so" about us, but find other legimate ways of objecting.
An American Indian's View of the Cartoons
By ROBERT ROBIDEAU
Reading the first news reports about the cartoons depicting Muhammid as a terrorist reminded me of the unfriendly media that printed the then Attorney Gerneral of for South Dakota, William Janklows` vigilante order, "The only way to deal with the Indian problem in South Dakota is to put a gun to the AIM leaders' heads and pull the trigger." Such ethnically hostile and abusive reporting by mainstream media was what helped to kill more than 60 American Indians and assault hundreds more during the federal governments reign of terror that occurred between 1973 and 1975 on the Pine Ridge Oglala Lakota reservation.
The old adage that was popularized in Hollywood westerns," White man speaks with forked tongue" had a special meaning. It denoted the deceit of European settlers who often lied to North American Indian people as they stole coveted lands and nearly decimated them as a people. The recent split tongue approach used in defending Danish racist cartoons as freedom of speech must be loudly condemned as just more attacks on the rights of Muslims to defend their lands, culture and self determination.
Most European and North American newspapers support the editor of, Jyllands-Posten, the first paper to publish the offensively racist cartoons, expressed position, "we cannot apologize for freedom of expression."
The word "but" is a favorite transition of hypocrites who would have us believe on one hand that freedom of speech is a democratic principle to be defended at all cost, while on the other hand are quick to condemn when it attacks and incites hatred toward them and those they wish to protect.
Many "Democratic" European countries have laws against anti-Semitism, which are exclusive; they do not protect other cultures from racial attacks. You can insult the prophet of Islam with offensive cartoon messages that deface his image, to create an atmosphere of hatred for Muslims, but dare not tread on the special rights and protections they have formed laws around to protect anti-Semitism.
For years Abu Hamza al-Masri, an Egyptian Muslim, had exercised his right to free speech at his Finsbury Park mosque in London. The British authorities attempted to revoke his citizenship and for years never brought criminal charges against him. With the new atmosphere created around the global war on terrorism (GWT) an English tribunal recently convicted and sentenced Hamza to seven years in prison for allegedly "directly and deliberately stirring up hatred against Jewish people and encouraging murder of those he referred to as non-believers." Certainly the same could be said of the cartoonist.
Despite the fact that more then 10 people have died as a result of the Danish cartoons there has been no criminal charge laid against the offending papers nor the Danish cartoonist. Some countries say that they are looking for ways to prosecute.The cartoons, which many Danish and Scandinavian newspaper editors defended in the name "radical Islam" predictably, resulted in stirring the anger of the Muslim world, rightly so. In defense, they have taken to the streets in unified protests that will, I hope, send shock waves throughout the European Union for sometime to come.
With all the comparisons that have been made and continue to be made between the struggles of Muslim people and North American Indian people, it did not come as a surprise to find similar cartoons historically used to create racism, hatred and war against American Indians. Portraying the popular sentiment about Indians in the 1800`s. A cartoon by Grant Hamilton, called the, "The Nation's Ward" portrayed the Indian as a savage snake constricting a pioneer family. It shows further the American Indian being fed by Uncle Sam while the pioneers' home burns. This cartoon and others like it protested the U.S. treaty promise of giving out food rations to Indians through hard winters. Political propaganda fed through various printed media has helped to create the mentality that allowed wholesale, systematic and frenetic killings of Indian men, women and children. One example of such an atrocity took place at Sand Creek when Phil Sheridan gave U.S. soldiers permission to butcher women and children and to hang their sexual body parts on public display at the Denver opera house. Such atrocities have occurred in today,s modern wars currently being waged against Muslim people under Bush,s doctrine of ´preemptive strike´ that has killed more civilians then fighters.
More recently, the United States federal government began using the FBI as a national political police force to put down legitimate protest movements of the 1960´s. A program called the counter intelligence program (cointelpro) was developed to assist the FBI. This program used offensive cartoons as a method to fan the flames of racism that had been spoon-fed to the Euro-American public through newspapers, books, cartoons and Hollywood westerns became part of their standard bag of dirty tricks in putting down peaceful protest.
Today, the FBI, with a mad infinity for maintaining the imprisonment of now world famous American Indian activist, Leonard Peltier, not to long ago, used a cartoon posing him as an Indian terrorist killing their fellow agents. This cartoon is still today on their website, despite the fact that even prosecutors who tried the case admit they "do not know who killed the two FBI agents" during the Pine Ridge reign of terror on June 26, 1976. Leonard Peltier has been confined 30 years in federal prisons as a result of FBI manufactured evidence, much of which the federal government has since admitted to.
There is no question that sports teams who use Indian Mascots, cartoons that portray inaccurate images, symbols insulting to American Indians. One professor speaking out against the use of Chief Illiniwek by the U of I football team in the late 1990s, said," "I've often visited Germany and speaking to younger people there, they all feel great pain when they consider the recent past. Not one university in Germany would contemplate having a rabbi as a mascot."
Freedom of speech and of the press has been used as a weapon against oppressed people for centuries. It has been nothing more than a smokescreen to justify the actions of a few but in reality incite religious and ethnic hatred. The editors knew these cartoons were clearly drawn as deadly propaganda tools, created with malice and forethought, to neutralize Muslim groups in struggle and deny them "respectability" in the world community. Who now should be charged for inciting a riot? Who now should be held accountable to the Muslim communities for these slanderous, racist cartoons that has forced communities to take sides against each other? How can we share this world, respecting the diversity of ethnic origins if the powers on hand continue to pump the public with hate filled propaganda! It is time for the media to step up to the plate accepting responsibility for their actions and what better place is there to start than in Denmark!
ROBERT ROBIDEAU is co-director of the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. He can be reached at: americanindianm@telefonica.net
Well i know quite a few "moderate" muslims who found these cartoons hilarious.
I don't see these cartoons as racists..and neither did the Muslim Community in Denmark, because as i stated elsewhere they had the opportunity to sue the paper...which they didn't ...
instead they went to the middleeast and started to spread misinformation and this is what trickered this overreaction as far as i can see it.
There is a cultural aspect as well...my experiences with danish media is one of satire...they love that kind of thing for example they portray their Prime Minister as a caveman etc....
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Originally posted by Tman: Most Muslims dont support the violent protest either. We should not give them any excuse to say: "I told you so" about us, but find other legimate ways of objecting.
An American Indian's View of the Cartoons
By ROBERT ROBIDEAU
Reading the first news reports about the cartoons depicting Muhammid as a terrorist reminded me of the unfriendly media that printed the then Attorney Gerneral of for South Dakota, William Janklows` vigilante order, "The only way to deal with the Indian problem in South Dakota is to put a gun to the AIM leaders' heads and pull the trigger." Such ethnically hostile and abusive reporting by mainstream media was what helped to kill more than 60 American Indians and assault hundreds more during the federal governments reign of terror that occurred between 1973 and 1975 on the Pine Ridge Oglala Lakota reservation.
The old adage that was popularized in Hollywood westerns," White man speaks with forked tongue" had a special meaning. It denoted the deceit of European settlers who often lied to North American Indian people as they stole coveted lands and nearly decimated them as a people. The recent split tongue approach used in defending Danish racist cartoons as freedom of speech must be loudly condemned as just more attacks on the rights of Muslims to defend their lands, culture and self determination.
Most European and North American newspapers support the editor of, Jyllands-Posten, the first paper to publish the offensively racist cartoons, expressed position, "we cannot apologize for freedom of expression."
The word "but" is a favorite transition of hypocrites who would have us believe on one hand that freedom of speech is a democratic principle to be defended at all cost, while on the other hand are quick to condemn when it attacks and incites hatred toward them and those they wish to protect.
Many "Democratic" European countries have laws against anti-Semitism, which are exclusive; they do not protect other cultures from racial attacks. You can insult the prophet of Islam with offensive cartoon messages that deface his image, to create an atmosphere of hatred for Muslims, but dare not tread on the special rights and protections they have formed laws around to protect anti-Semitism.
For years Abu Hamza al-Masri, an Egyptian Muslim, had exercised his right to free speech at his Finsbury Park mosque in London. The British authorities attempted to revoke his citizenship and for years never brought criminal charges against him. With the new atmosphere created around the global war on terrorism (GWT) an English tribunal recently convicted and sentenced Hamza to seven years in prison for allegedly "directly and deliberately stirring up hatred against Jewish people and encouraging murder of those he referred to as non-believers." Certainly the same could be said of the cartoonist.
Despite the fact that more then 10 people have died as a result of the Danish cartoons there has been no criminal charge laid against the offending papers nor the Danish cartoonist. Some countries say that they are looking for ways to prosecute.The cartoons, which many Danish and Scandinavian newspaper editors defended in the name "radical Islam" predictably, resulted in stirring the anger of the Muslim world, rightly so. In defense, they have taken to the streets in unified protests that will, I hope, send shock waves throughout the European Union for sometime to come.
With all the comparisons that have been made and continue to be made between the struggles of Muslim people and North American Indian people, it did not come as a surprise to find similar cartoons historically used to create racism, hatred and war against American Indians. Portraying the popular sentiment about Indians in the 1800`s. A cartoon by Grant Hamilton, called the, "The Nation's Ward" portrayed the Indian as a savage snake constricting a pioneer family. It shows further the American Indian being fed by Uncle Sam while the pioneers' home burns. This cartoon and others like it protested the U.S. treaty promise of giving out food rations to Indians through hard winters. Political propaganda fed through various printed media has helped to create the mentality that allowed wholesale, systematic and frenetic killings of Indian men, women and children. One example of such an atrocity took place at Sand Creek when Phil Sheridan gave U.S. soldiers permission to butcher women and children and to hang their sexual body parts on public display at the Denver opera house. Such atrocities have occurred in today,s modern wars currently being waged against Muslim people under Bush,s doctrine of ´preemptive strike´ that has killed more civilians then fighters.
More recently, the United States federal government began using the FBI as a national political police force to put down legitimate protest movements of the 1960´s. A program called the counter intelligence program (cointelpro) was developed to assist the FBI. This program used offensive cartoons as a method to fan the flames of racism that had been spoon-fed to the Euro-American public through newspapers, books, cartoons and Hollywood westerns became part of their standard bag of dirty tricks in putting down peaceful protest.
Today, the FBI, with a mad infinity for maintaining the imprisonment of now world famous American Indian activist, Leonard Peltier, not to long ago, used a cartoon posing him as an Indian terrorist killing their fellow agents. This cartoon is still today on their website, despite the fact that even prosecutors who tried the case admit they "do not know who killed the two FBI agents" during the Pine Ridge reign of terror on June 26, 1976. Leonard Peltier has been confined 30 years in federal prisons as a result of FBI manufactured evidence, much of which the federal government has since admitted to.
There is no question that sports teams who use Indian Mascots, cartoons that portray inaccurate images, symbols insulting to American Indians. One professor speaking out against the use of Chief Illiniwek by the U of I football team in the late 1990s, said," "I've often visited Germany and speaking to younger people there, they all feel great pain when they consider the recent past. Not one university in Germany would contemplate having a rabbi as a mascot."
Freedom of speech and of the press has been used as a weapon against oppressed people for centuries. It has been nothing more than a smokescreen to justify the actions of a few but in reality incite religious and ethnic hatred. The editors knew these cartoons were clearly drawn as deadly propaganda tools, created with malice and forethought, to neutralize Muslim groups in struggle and deny them "respectability" in the world community. Who now should be charged for inciting a riot? Who now should be held accountable to the Muslim communities for these slanderous, racist cartoons that has forced communities to take sides against each other? How can we share this world, respecting the diversity of ethnic origins if the powers on hand continue to pump the public with hate filled propaganda! It is time for the media to step up to the plate accepting responsibility for their actions and what better place is there to start than in Denmark!
ROBERT ROBIDEAU is co-director of the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. He can be reached at: americanindianm@telefonica.net
How did we react in the USA to Vincente Fox's comments not too long ago - and one could argue whether those were really meant as an affront.
Let me respond.
We didn't do sh&t and we didn't get sh&t. All we did was asked for an apology and gave Rev. Sharpton & his sidekick Jesse Jackson a first class vacation in Cancun. Sad thing is we didn't even get the apology, but Al & Jesse are tan and well rested. Only in the USA and only black people.
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On a similar note MLS also now has its hands full as I see where latinos are upset with the name chosen for the Houston team as the year the city was founded is also significant with the mexican american war for texas...
And if thats not bad, MLS officials claim to acknowledge that ...they knew the name would cause problems...
We didn't do sh&t and we didn't get sh&t. All we did was asked for an apology and gave Rev. Sharpton & his sidekick Jesse Jackson a first class vacation in Cancun. Sad thing is we didn't even get the apology, but Al & Jesse are tan and well rested. Only in the USA and only black people.
What yuh expect....this is the legacy of Martin Luther, his wife and others.
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I am just tired of those gods too ...divine to take care of their own business.
If an almighty god feels insulted by a mortal wouldn't it be easier for that supreme being to take care of that sinner himself? For example, he could use his divine power to erase the sinner's name from his 'Book of Live'. Piece of cake for an almighty being!
Instead, we're witnessing continuous violence between catholics and protestants in Ireland, horrifying crimes between Jews, Muslims, and Hindus in the middle east.
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Originally posted by A Concerned Viking: Well i know quite a few "moderate" muslims who found these cartoons hilarious.
I don't see these cartoons as racists..and neither did the Muslim Community in Denmark, because as i stated elsewhere they had the opportunity to sue the paper...which they didn't ...
instead they went to the middleeast and started to spread misinformation and this is what trickered this overreaction as far as i can see it.
There is a cultural aspect as well...my experiences with danish media is one of satire...they love that kind of thing for example they portray their Prime Minister as a caveman etc....
I too am familiar with Danish culture - my partner and daughter both being Danes. Its funny that they are really sh1tting themselves, especially as most of us on here have come into reasonsably close contact with major troubles. The Danes are a peaceful nation (at least since the gun was invented)and they are up in arms about the whole Muslim response to a bad joke.
For me, extremists from any background are wackos. I can see poor humour in a bomb under Mohammed's turban. Maybe me, and millions of others, have a bad sense of humour, but you have to learn to take crap. Democracy and freedom have their sh1t sides, insults are a part of that freedom.
Personally, I give as I get. Take the piss and I'll take the piss back, I don't get any inclination to kill though. Our cultures are totally different.
We didn't do sh&t and we didn't get sh&t. All we did was asked for an apology and gave Rev. Sharpton & his sidekick Jesse Jackson a first class vacation in Cancun. Sad thing is we didn't even get the apology, but Al & Jesse are tan and well rested. Only in the USA and only black people.
What yuh expect....this is the legacy of Martin Luther, his wife and others.
Actually I think MLK would have handled things differently than these clowns, they hijacked his movement and distorted it and many people confuse his movement with those of these clowns. While I'm more of a Malcolm X person I also understood the reason to Dr. King's madness. He realized that because of the huge publicity machine employed by the USA to shape public opinion it would have been suicidal to fight the government with force and win. Remember they started referring to him as a communist at a time when a "communist" was akin to a "terrorist" today. His objective was to show the world the real underbelly of the USA, something their publicity machine was incapable of covering up. In essence he successfully convicted the USA in front of the world. They were forced to make changes.
I think MLK would have done the same controversial thing I would have suggested. Pay the way for Vincente Fox to fly to Washington and deliver that same speech in the hall of Congress. That would've shine a light on our plight, but these idiots, so call black leaders, have deceived us to be falsely proud and stupid. We make similar statements Fox made all the time in discribing our plight and we get dismiss by whites and the media as whinners and complainers, now a neutral person makes the same statement and instead of embracing his statement as proof of what we have been saying we stupidly demanded an apology from him...Does anyone else see the backwardness in this position? How can we expect changes on our behalf if we want to paint a rosy picture to the world. That's the message a request for an apology sent and predictably nothing came of it. That is totally opposite to what Dr. King was all about. The USA government dodged a major bullet thanks to us. As usual they used us against ourself...how clever.
That's why I respectfully asked black Yankis and some brainwashed West Indians, Shaggy, to do the honorable thing and step aside and let us black latinos set the agenda for the future of our people. As well intentioned as they are, and I am sure they are, the reality of the situation is that their ignorance of politics is a major part of the problem and a major obstacle for our people to move ahead. Unfortunately, unexplicably and frightenly this ignorance applies to the educated as well as the uneducated among them.
Latinos relatively just started participating in politics in the USA and already candidates and future candidates for political offices are falling over themselves to learn Spanish, visit Latin America and show concern for latino causes. These are not token photo op. and condescending games they usually get away with playing on Black Americans either.
You see, black and white Latinos alike know how the political game is really played in these here USA and if we are going to be here we intend to be major players in that game, we won't settle to be just pawns.
As Richard Pryor said. " How long. How long must this bullsh*t go on? How long will white people kick us in the As&?
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, set up new rule and then call you unreasonably, irrational and short-tempered because you won't accept his new rules in what you perceive to be your house? Now who is the irrational one? No the man who no expect a fight from you?
