The coach gave the title to Steelers. That 4th and inches prior to 2nd half that he did not go for, even though the ball was on his 26. The man have the number one rusher on his side, yet this conservative approach. His foolishness at the end when he should have tried for the field goal and then try for the onside kick. He should step down.
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I totally disagree about the 4th and inches-right call I think-the potential benefit of getting a first down not worth the risk of giving up an almost certain score if you fail.
. . .where were they at the end of the game(what yard line?)-their kicker had missed 2 field goals already-not sure whether they were even in range for a reasonable shot
Sounds like Moby doesn't know football and is just running on emotions. Go for it on your own 26 just before half time while your team is still in the game? There was no need for desperation.
Like the announcer said, coaches who listen to the fans end up sitting next to them in the stands.
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No emotions pelepapa. The team I support was not playing...
If I were in his position I would have gone for it. This is much more than hind-sight. As hind-sight has revealed, look pon wha appen?
The two 50 yr misses aside, the Seahawks had the ball back down 11...under two minutes. Two possession game no matter how you call it. They had to score and then get the ball back. Show me the clock management by the coach?
Lastly just because we disaggree, does not point to anyones knowledge of this game. I heared the same commentaors a few yrs ago say that Brady should take a knee and play for overtime.
Since you are so knowledgeable, you can fill in the details.
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. . .often a thin line between winning and losing-I thought the Seahawks just got unlucky with some of those calls that went against them. I still don't think the Steelers QB got in- the official coming across seemed to have been about to rule him short then after the tackle Roth. made a second effort and got it across-but he had already been down by contact. If it had been ruled short on the field it would not have been overturned so just a slice of luck for the Steelers-game of inches for real .
That pass interference that negated the Seahawks touchdown isn't called 9 times out of 10 in the NFL. Then in the 2nd half that holding call that negated the play down to the 1 yard line when it looked like the Seahwaks were about to take the lead was a joke. I thought the officials overall had a bad day but that's part of the game.
Originally posted by cruyff14: .I thought the officials overall had a bad day but that's part of the game.
It's an unfortunate part of the game yes. I agree only on the pass interference but, let's remember the Steelers were in this position because they overcame even more creative officiating and took their opportunity. Seattle had opportunities given to them by Roethlisberger and didn't cash in, they have THEMSELVES to blame as the Steelers were off.
I agree...this was the worst game of Steelers 4 victories and they were still able to pull it off. Big Ben had a horrible game and the SeaHawks should have made better on their chances. I think the deserving team won.
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Originally posted by reddevil: It's an unfortunate part of the game yes. I agree only on the pass interference but, let's remember the Steelers were in this position because they overcame even more creative officiating and took their opportunity. Seattle had opportunities given to them by Roethlisberger and didn't cash in, they have THEMSELVES to blame as the Steelers were off.
From the Seahawks perspective I agree-the tight end who was talking all week dropped everything that came his way(except the touchdown),their kicker missed two makeable field goals in perfect conditions indoors, they messed up on their time management at the end of the first half, and they were a little more precision from Hasselbeck and his receivers away from some huge plays. From their perspective they should have done better with the chances they had and only have themselves to blame-because on offense they pushed the Steelers front around for the majority of the game but didn't score.
From the neutral perspective though they really got victimized by some very poor officiating. In addition to the ones I mentioned before there was another non-existent holding call that negated a big return in the second half, and the hitting below the knees on Hasselbeck after the interception where he tackled the Steelers player that had the ball-that one was baffling to me. I can't recall a neutral site game where so many of the big calls went against one team-which was strange because the NFL in general is not like the NBA where it's obvious, in my opinion at least, that the officials' 'interpretation' of the rules vary depending on which team is playing.
Originally posted by mobydick: The coach gave the title to Steelers. That 4th and inches prior to 2nd half that he did not go for, even though the ball was on his 26. The man have the number one rusher on his side, yet this conservative approach. His foolishness at the end when he should have tried for the field goal and then try for the onside kick. He should step down.
...and if you don't make that very risky play at that stage in the game you are very likely down 14-3 at the half with huge momentum going to your opponents, with the opposing team having scored twice in succession and your team not moving the ball. I think a play like that is saved for the fourth quarter when you have to do it.
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Originally posted by shaggybear: ...and if you don't make that very risky play at that stage in the game you are very likely down 14-3 at the half with huge momentum going to your opponents, with the opposing team having scored twice in succession and your team not moving the ball. I think a play like that is saved for the fourth quarter when you have to do it.
NO Shaggy the score was 3/0...Am I mistaken?
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Originally posted by mobydick: No emotions pelepapa. The team I support was not playing...
If I were in his position I would have gone for it. This is much more than hind-sight. As hind-sight has revealed, look pon wha appen?
The two 50 yr misses aside, the Seahawks had the ball back down 11...under two minutes. Two possession game no matter how you call it. They had to score and then get the ball back. Show me the clock management by the coach?
Lastly just because we disaggree, does not point to anyones knowledge of this game. I heared the same commentaors a few yrs ago say that Brady should take a knee and play for overtime.
Since you are so knowledgeable, you can fill in the details.
Not emotion base on your team playing Moby, more on the basis of a fan who wants to see the coach attempt the more exciting, risky play rather than the conservative one.
You are right, our disagreement on one play doesn't mean I know this game any more than you do, sorry if I implied that.
This is usually the time when the ites put out the call for WD to replicate the successfull schemes employed by the champions. I haven't heard a peep so far and I'm wondering why? It wouldn't be because it wasn't an overnight undertaking, and would require patience and sticking to a plan. Would it?
In my opinion, from an economic point of view, Pittsburgh's scheme is much more realistic for JA than most of the more exotic money intensive schemes some ites want WD to emulate.
you all being way too diplomatic-they got robbed straight. And we don't need to hide behind the seahawks only have themselves to blame because they made mistakes-of course they made mistakes-the steelers made mistakes two. If the official had followed his first instinct on that call at the goaline-the steelers would have been stopped on 3 straight runs inside the 5 and settled for a field goal or gone for it on 4th down.
they threw an interception when they could have just ran and kicked the field goal. Their quarterback was poor and they got pushed around all day by the Seahawks offense. whenever 2 good teams play-whenever any teams play-there are going to be opportunities missed. That can't be a exuse for the refs performance. They had 400 yards of ofense and only turned it over once-yes they made mistakes but they played fine and well enough to win. Somebody explain how you get a penalty for tackling below the waste-have the rules changed?
Originally posted by cruyff14: . . .often a thin line between winning and losing-I thought the Seahawks just got unlucky with some of those calls that went against them. I still don't think the Steelers QB got in- the official coming across seemed to have been about to rule him short then after the tackle Roth. made a second effort and got it across-but he had already been down by contact. If it had been ruled short on the field it would not have been overturned so just a slice of luck for the Steelers-game of inches for real .
That pass interference that negated the Seahawks touchdown isn't called 9 times out of 10 in the NFL. Then in the 2nd half that holding call that negated the play down to the 1 yard line when it looked like the Seahwaks were about to take the lead was a joke. I thought the officials overall had a bad day but that's part of the game.
Agree with yu 100% Cruyff. Rothstelberger fell short of the Goal line. The Ref Bias towards the Steelers, Because they have a winning tradition. The steelers had won 4 straight Super Bowls in the Late 70's from 77-80. Seattle has neva won a super bowl.
Any how mi just get vex and change the Station after they Called Seattle's Wide Rec for push off in end zone. That was a Bull S...call. I'm actually a Giants Fan, but was rooting for the Under Dogs Seahawks.
Originally posted by morefire1: Agree with yu 100% Cruyff. Rothstelberger fell short of the Goal line. The Ref Bias towards the Steelers, Because they have a winning tradition. The steelers had won 4 straight Super Bowls in the Late 70's from 77-80. Seattle has neva won a super bowl.
Any how mi just get vex and change the Station after they Called Seattle's Wide Rec for push off in end zone. That was a Bull S...call. I'm actually a Giants Fan, but was rooting for the Under Dogs Seahawks.
. . .it's not really as big an issue as it could have been because who cares about the Seahawks outside of Seattle anyway . It was fairly bad though. We've seen bad calls in big games before-this year even-but I can't remember a game where so many bad calls went against one team. When I saw the QB make a tackle after an interception and they called him for hitting below the waist I knew it was over . I'm interested in how the NFL is going to explain 5 officials(or however many there are) who are supposedly the best crew in the game making a call like that-obviously the other bad calls are considered 'judgment' calls.
All this is hilarious to me I didn't see any of you coming out in defence of the Steelers when the Titans punter faked an injury and gave them a first down to help knock out the Steelers a few years ago. How about when the NFL commissioner's office offered Cowher 3 apologies in one season for calls that decided games, that season they missed the playoffs rather than have a first round bye in the playoffs!!!! Where were all you saints and crusaders for justice then???? Were you guys outraged at the offensive pass interference non call on Novacek that had Bob Trumpy saying "illegal!" and gave the Cowboys their first score on the Steelers in Superbowl XXX or did you blame O'Donnell for his interceptions??? If you blamed O'Donnell then you should blame Seattle. Plain and simple. All this about saying it was GIVEN to the Steelers by ref is just plain unfocused. And making a big deal over the Hasselbeck penalty is as wrong and nit picky as the pass interference call in the endzone. After all, Michael Iriving made a career off of doing worse and certainly did it ALL of Superbowl XXX...what? No outrage? The gadget play to Ward would not have been stopped if we had been 15 yards deeper. I'm guessing you hypocrites, haters or folks with short memories are gonna say it was an illegal play Shame on you for failing to give credit to the Steelers...they had WORSE officiating against a very good Indy team and overcame it, that's why I have no sympathy for Seattle especially not their butter fingers talker who dropped the ball to end the game and had to listen to Joey Porter.
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