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#201788 - 06/26/12 06:53 AM Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle
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Let's cut the nonsense and do what's sensible. We have the players and it's more about how they are used than to say we don't have. Even if it's just one additional top flight player coming on board we do something different. Since McAnuff will be back we can now add some steel & guile to our midfield in Fuller, Phillips & Austin occupying our midfield.

McAnuff would simply occupy Phillips role on the flanks.

Fuller's skill on the ball ensures we have someone to hold up the ball in the middle and not give it away when pressure is on.

Phillips with his versatility on the ball would be able to dictate the flow of our offense.

Austin the defensive midfielder with the ability to change the play from side to side when necessary.



 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel


Here's my pick for the USA match in 4-5-1 set:

-------------------------Darren---------------------

--------------------------Fuller--------------------

McAnuff--------------Phillips----Austin--------------Dane

Smith----------------Nugs'y------Jason------------Mariappa

Tappa have tried Jason in that central role and it worked well for us in the GCC against HON.

Jason would give us the ability to handle the ball better in defense just like Derossi for Italy. Jason's role would be as a buffer for midfielders to combo with as they try to go forward out of the defensive third into a ball possession flow.

This set up will give us great balance in the middle of the pitch as well we have our strengths on the flanks as usual.

McAnuff on the flanks can contribute right away since the flank position is less demanding than playing in the middle.

Phillips is the heart of our team and he understands the team. It's time he's given the captains arm band and change his role to creative/holding midfielder. He's already showing signs he's mentally and tactically capable of handling this role in an efficient way.

I know the coaching staff is thinking of new players (McAnuff is on board), unless it's Hoilett and/or say Nathan Dyer from Swansea it's just a waste of time at this point. We need players that are already playing at a high level so when they come in it's not a question if they are capable, but just a matter of blending into the system quickly.

If these new players don't come in on time, well, with McAnuff on board we enough to make up the difference by switching certain roles around. And we all agree that Phillips is not used to the best of his ability for the team.

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#201799 - 06/26/12 09:25 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Hamilton Israel]
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Who is Darren? And it better not be Pratley.
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#201800 - 06/26/12 09:27 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Hamilton Israel]
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Who is Darren? And it better not be Pratley.
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#201802 - 06/26/12 10:03 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: TheDread]
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 Originally Posted By: TheDread
Who is Darren? And it better not be Pratley.


Why not Pratley ?

After watching Jamaica's two matches so far...and watching these Euro 2012 matches, particularly the Premiereship players...and watching the PL and Championship over the last 3 seasons live...on the ground...

No one can convince me that the Premiereship and Championship players that Jamaica has available would not make Jamaica a far better, stronger side...if they were used to build the team around.

Pratley finished the season very strongly at Bolton, even though they were relegated...he is mobile, has 90 minutes game stamina and read the game well...he is a driving force from the back of the midfield...something that Jamaica, in Austin, lacks very much right now.

Granted...if Pratley is brought into Jamaica's side...either Austin or Morrison would have to give way...but he brings a level that neither of them have, although I rate Morrison for what he's good at.

Austin does not have the mobility, ball control and passing ability to drive Jamaica's midfield, although, admittedly, he manfully tries.

Just taking into account the huge difference Nosworthy and Mariappa have made to Jamaica's defense as Championship players, does this not give any indication of the superior quality of players that Jamaica can have throughout the team, from England ?

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#201806 - 06/26/12 11:49 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Ric]
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Pratley playing as a lone striker? That just doesn't make any sense considering he is a midfield player and the fact that we have a few decent strikers available to us.

Edited by TheDread (06/26/12 11:49 AM)

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#201808 - 06/26/12 12:38 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: TheDread]
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make sense!
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#201810 - 06/26/12 12:43 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Jeronimoe]
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Di man a talk bout Mattocks...
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#201811 - 06/26/12 02:11 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Javincy]
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Darren Mattocks!!

Pratley would be a good addition, though.
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#201812 - 06/26/12 02:55 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Bictor]
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I forgot that Mattocks first name was Darren.
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#201817 - 06/26/12 03:44 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Ric]
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"Ric some ites just despise the UK. players and under no circumstance want them on the squad, there is no way to compare the English Premere league or even the lower league to JA. local league and any body with half a brain knows that we will not get to Brazil soley on the local players, can you emagine if the two players Nugsy and Mariapa were not in the defensive line up!!!
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#201819 - 06/26/12 04:44 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Marklon]
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Wouldn't it be better to see Jamaica in a World Cup with a few English players, than to not qualify for the World Cup but have a team full of Jamaican players?!

Success should be the main goal.
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#201825 - 06/26/12 06:59 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Bictor]
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#201843 - 06/26/12 10:29 PM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: nikefree44]
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Mi no know bout da Fuller in a midfield suppm deh.Pulis play him pon left wing and it no work dem man deh born fi lead the line.

Edited by Foot Soldier (06/26/12 10:29 PM)

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#201846 - 06/27/12 01:42 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Marklon]
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 Originally Posted By: Marklon
"Ric some ites just despise the UK. players and under no circumstance want them on the squad, there is no way to compare the English Premere league or even the lower league to JA. local league and any body with half a brain knows that we will not get to Brazil soley on the local players, can you emagine if the two players Nugsy and Mariapa were not in the defensive line up!!!


This is something that mi see and sense not long after mi joined the forum almost 2 years ago...and it totally surprised me, the number of ites/Jamaican supporters...and dem Costa Rican cohort, who continually encourage their feelings and views...on the sly.

Di bwoy dem call Pelepappa is a real wolf in sheep clothing...im continually encourage the weaknesses inna Jamaica's football system, while claiming and pretending quite the opposite...

And the insecurities in the Jamaica psyche towards the game is played upon...this is the main reason why some Jamaican supporters are adamant against incorporating the English-born Jamaican players into Jamaica's team...as if the Reggaeboyz would be seen to be LESS-Jamaican if more of the team were based on players from England.


For these supporters, the quality of the player matters nothing...and quite possibly...they cannot differentiate between quality of players in the first place.

Nosworthey and Mariappa should serve as perfect examples of what were talking about here...

Without them, Jamaica might well not have beaten Guatemala in Jamaica...and gotten the 1 point in A&B...

But even recently, some ites was still talking about Adrian Reid inna Jamaica's side....and Tappa playing locals like Joel Senior and Ewan Grandison and Rohan Reid in important warm-up matches against Panama, losing both matches...when he should have been giving his starting competitive team these matches for minutes on the pitch together to gell and create team chemistry.

Now you see why mi sey Tapppa no ready fi dis ?

This entire situation is a mish-mash of football confusion...and a no so u build a successful football team.

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#201849 - 06/27/12 05:28 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Ric]
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 Originally Posted By: Ric
 Originally Posted By: Marklon
"Ric some ites just despise the UK. players and under no circumstance want them on the squad, there is no way to compare the English Premere league or even the lower league to JA. local league and any body with half a brain knows that we will not get to Brazil soley on the local players, can you emagine if the two players Nugsy and Mariapa were not in the defensive line up!!!


This is something that mi see and sense not long after mi joined the forum almost 2 years ago...and it totally surprised me, the number of ites/Jamaican supporters...and dem Costa Rican cohort, who continually encourage their feelings and views...on the sly.

Di bwoy dem call Pelepappa is a real wolf in sheep clothing...im continually encourage the weaknesses inna Jamaica's football system, while claiming and pretending quite the opposite...

And the insecurities in the Jamaica psyche towards the game is played upon...this is the main reason why some Jamaican supporters are adamant against incorporating the English-born Jamaican players into Jamaica's team...as if the Reggaeboyz would be seen to be LESS-Jamaican if more of the team were based on players from England.


For these supporters, the quality of the player matters nothing...and quite possibly...they cannot differentiate between quality of players in the first place.

Nosworthey and Mariappa should serve as perfect examples of what were talking about here...

Without them, Jamaica might well not have beaten Guatemala in Jamaica...and gotten the 1 point in A&B...

But even recently, some ites was still talking about Adrian Reid inna Jamaica's side....and Tappa playing locals like Joel Senior and Ewan Grandison and Rohan Reid in important warm-up matches against Panama, losing both matches...when he should have been giving his starting competitive team these matches for minutes on the pitch together to gell and create team chemistry.

Now you see why mi sey Tapppa no ready fi dis ?

This entire situation is a mish-mash of football confusion...and a no so u build a successful football team.


 Originally Posted By: Ric
"Tappa playing locals like Joel Senior and Ewan Grandison and Rohan Reid in important warm-up matches against Panama, losing both matches...when he should have been giving his starting competitive team these matches for minutes on the pitch together to gell and create team chemistry."


If there's a decision that one could point at which Tappa made, that causes people who know football to lose confidence in his coaching ability it's the one underscored above.

I too have asked, why have these locals on the team if you're not planning on using them in important matches? that means then all that experimenting was just a waste of time. Time that could have being spent with the projected starters.

Concerning the UK Ballaz, I too don't think Tappa rate them as much. I figure if he did he would have being looking at certain midfield prospects and would want to meet or speak to them himself as he did the local outfit. I think he has bought into the faulty notion that the talent in the RSPL is comparable to what we have in the EPL.

I'm sill dazed to the fact that up until now we haven't brought in not one creative/attacking ball possession midfielder from England of which there are several in the EPL & Championship.

The mere fact that they did not rate Danny Simpson the right back, who plays for New Castle as a starter speaks volume regarding what their feelings are toward EPL ballers. It's as if they are saying, Simpson is not better than Virgo.

I say God help Tappa with these qualifier because he's going to need it....

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#201850 - 06/27/12 05:41 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Ric]
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Ric...many moons ago Bora Milutovic (a suh him name spell?) was the coach of Jamaica and what he did was take a contingent of Jamaican based footballers on an Asian tour. Exposing them to football in different conditions to see how well they would cope. He got fired!

My reason for bringing that particular coach up, is to highlight 2 things. The capacity of the Coach and the capabilities of the players. Bora IS seen as a class act in football tactical and technical know how, yet he was unable to make a local contingent with a mixture of foreign based players employ a system that would allow them to win or even scrape matches against teams that should have been considered having less ability at executing the game.

Meanwhile, we have almost always known about our foreign based players. How much we can get, how much they want to be involved, and the possibilities that may exist with them becoming the core of our thrusts.

Jamaica has steadily developed and exported footballers under d quiet. This has been happening for atleast 13 years now, but we can't seem to sell to the private sector the necessity of continuously trying to advance the stature and the system of the Jamaican ball game. We cower from the thought of inviting players because of "the cost". Yet we send out subpar players to represent our country and expect Business owners will invest in mediocrity.

Please don't misunderstand my stance. I wholeheartedly believe that the national team should represent the best players that can represent our country in a system depicted by the coach, that works. Class should be the hallmark of playing for the national team. With that said, there can be no justification for the team being lethargic, without cohesion, and purposelessness.

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#201852 - 06/27/12 05:47 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Foot Soldier]
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 Originally Posted By: Foot Soldier
Mi no know bout da Fuller in a midfield suppm deh.Pulis play him pon left wing and it no work dem man deh born fi lead the line.


Fuller has played in the hole for Stoke before.

'Ites Fuller is an already accomplished attacking player. the transition from dribbling at players to ball possession would not be a difficult one for him at all. He has the most important elements within his arsenal to make that transition, and that is his ability on the ball and is skill level. Those two facets are crucial to being a ball possession attacker, like a Frank Ribery from France.

Fuller would simply need to adjust his game, to slow it down, not looking first to take on players. More so to pick his spots to run, weigh his decision making with the ball and flow more with Phillips and the Flank players.

Unless Tappa institute a midfield Tactic of this sort we won't be able to beat the ConCaCaf top sides in the Hex. Panama already proven that without balance in our attack we'll come up short.

We can't just rely mainly on our flank players to be the difference, teams are wising up to our tricks. They now know that if they neutralize our flanks we're good as dead, because our middle is inept.

WE have to have balance. No ball possession no success, speed alone won't do it for us anymore. It's time for us to grow up into a more mature rounded team with a variety of angles to our attack and not just speed.

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#201863 - 06/27/12 07:11 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Hamilton Israel]
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How can we get these ideas public where tappa and or his coaches can read it? Very good idea. Totally agree. Need a player to keep Jones and Bradley at home or else we are doomed.
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#201864 - 06/27/12 07:28 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Hamilton Israel]
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Mi can respond to both of your comments in one post...

Let mi expound on this local-baller situation a little more and how you see where the last matches before di WC qualifiers raises some serious questions about Tappa's coaching and football knowledge at the highest levels.

Jamaica played Cuba twice, Guyana once and NZ once,and Panama twice, before these qualifiers started; beating Cuba twice, Guyana and NZ...and losing to Panama twice...the clues we're looking for is in the teams that he picked to play these matches.

NZ was first up with a basic overseas squad of Jamaica regulars, with a recall for Peas and Claude...Jamaica won this match without seeming special or spectacular in any dept...I didn't see this as a starting WC side.

Jamaica then played Cuba and Guyana with basically a local team and beat them...again in no spectacular fashion...and with many questions about energy, tempo and competitiveness of the Jamaica team played in these matches...that was to be expected if you are playing a local Jamaican side against local Caribbean opposition..yes, Guyana as a country is on the S. American peninsula but could never be termed anything more than a Caribbean football side.

Now we come to the penultimate matches with Panama as the LAST warm-ups before the real thing...and we come up with the worse team selections, after ALL the players who were called up were in camp...and the the worst recent results...just BEFORE the WC qualifiers...and in neither match did Tappa's supposedly starting 11, the team that started against Guatemala, play on the pitch together.

Which freaking coach in world football is going to still be experimenting in the last 2 practice matches that he has available before WC qualifiers with players he has NO INTENTION of playing or did he not realise BEFORE those two Panama matches that those local favourites were SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be playing WC matches in a senior Jamaica side ?

Mi no ciaah how di ites dem love Tappa as a local guy, these questions cause me to have grave doubts about him being the right coach for Jamaica, period.

On the question of him not rating English ballas...on what qualification would he base those opinions ?

Tappa was Jamaica's most influential and potent midfielder in his prime as a member of Jamaica's WC side...and he delivered at the WC but...Tappa failed to break into the higher echelons of English football...could his views be influenced by that fact any at all ? If he was happy to select Nosworthy and Mariappa and they have delivered for him, its clear to see he has no problem using English players when it suits him to do so.

What this entire situation presents is a picture of a coach who cannot assess the quality of players and performances up to the necessary WC standards...and that is where Jamaica's weakness lies right now..if that is true.


Edited by Ric (06/27/12 07:32 AM)

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#201866 - 06/27/12 08:18 AM Re: Cut the chase-Phillips, Fuller & Austin in the middle [Re: Ric]
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 Originally Posted By: Ric

What this entire situation presents is a picture of a coach who cannot assess the quality of players and performances up to the necessary WC standards...and that is where Jamaica's weakness lies right now..if that is true.



mek mi buy yu a bloodsilk red stripe iya....cho!

And mi naaah fight Tappa inno, cause he does have good ideas....BUT...is the REGGAEBOYZ mi a defend
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