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#198015 - 05/27/12 08:26 PM pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012
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Jamaica lose 1 love. The wagonists came out today and they all want to lynch the coach etc..Are they wrong? Mi a guh science it out...

Whitmore has tried this 4 2 3 1 formation for the second time running which is not a bad fit, BUT who you put to play this style of ball is extremely important.

He started with virgo, nugsy, claude and lance laing in the back. Not a bad back line at all in my opinion, though Claude was a little erratic at times, he did a fairly good job, Nugsy was firm, virgo was good for about 75 minutes and laing looked lost and suspect...

He then started two holding midfielders in Rohan Reid who had a good game, and Grandison who was average and a little overwhelmed.

Now the problem area...the attacking midfield. All lost to their roll, excepting Senior, who is good, but you see, I know there were 3 other players on the bench to play his position who are better than him in relation to our type of play. Senior is extremely efficient with the ball, but he is slow, he is grand-standing on the field, which is an immediate substitution for me. You cannot be playing ball and be directing traffic at the same time...pick up a man dont stand idle and point to players...

Dada...HIM NOT READY! he cannot be a starter on our team, he does not have the speed, does not have the touch, nor the composure that is necessary to be playing center attacking midfield, thirdly its center attacking midfield, why is he spending most of his time filling a gap between shelton and laing? thats the job of grandison...hello! Shelton as an attacking midfielder is not working well, I don't know if he is going through a bad patch or what, but he looked awful in the game against Guyana and he looked worst here.

The coached started with Fuller as the Striker...now fuller is a roamer, he can hold up the ball well, but I don't think he enjoys that position much, he played it very well however, and i am sorry he never scored.


I think I have found our CAM...his name is Errol Stevens...absolutely no way should Dada start over this yute...not only is he confident on the ball, he roams the midfield, he has vision, and he tackles back when he loses the ball. Now any blind man can see that this yute is a gem of a player. IF TAPPA CANNOT SEE THAT ERROL STEVENS IS HIS CREATIVE LINK, DEN HIM BLIND LIKE A BAT!

Humphrey was impressive from he started, and played his roll...I respect that, he widened the play and had an excellent shot, thats quality! He should have started over Senior with Richards coming on as a Substitute if he wasn't pleasing enough. Senior cannot be placed on the field over these two men if they are fit.

Demar Phillips is no longer a left back, and because he has transitioned to midfield play, he will not give the same energy as a LB...he should be playing Left Attacking Midfield in this system, with Nathan Smith being the LB.


Our biggest problem is the movement among the attacking midfield...specifically the central attacking midfielder...he has the license to roam, he should be creating the diamond at all times...so the ball swings to the left...he should be close to the ball on the left...it swings right he should be closer to the right...he does a lot of running, and he opens the play to the striker...in this system, we cannot play with a static CAM, we give up the midfield that way...as we have all seen today, and even in the Guyana match.

With all that said, we do have quality, and as far as I saw, we could have won that match in the first half with the poor players...we created chances that we never scored, and there my friends, is what led to our downfall.

I'm not sure I wanna say off with his head as yet, in relation to Whitmore. I am hoping he was either proving a point, or erred in Judgement by selecting the weaker team to start, instead of the strongest and then weakening...

The game in Panama is of great interest to me now, his starting eleven there should be if not full strength very close to full strength.

I am very disappointed in the loss, and before I forget, the reason we looked so lethargic in midfield was because Dada didn't do his job, he needs to learn that he needs to run more.

Mi dun type now yaaa, cause mi feel hurt that we lost in our final home game before qualifiers...

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#198016 - 05/27/12 08:29 PM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: pHoQrY]
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Imagine....the man say it is a dream to be wearing the number 11 and yu tek it from him and give him 7...foolishness that! He wants to be ur attacking midfielder sir...how else him going show u fi yu si...kmt...cho! mi did say mi dun type dont
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#198017 - 05/27/12 08:35 PM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: pHoQrY]
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joel senior was plying garbage dont come try pretty up him game ,,,cause it did ugly bad
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#198029 - 05/27/12 09:39 PM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: pHoQrY]
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pHoQrY,

Thank God for you. I was beginning to wonder if I was going MAD!!!!!
Rohan Reid had a decent game! have you seen how many of the ites them saying he was poor? Were we watching the same game as them?

SMH. bewildered.
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#198030 - 05/27/12 09:41 PM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: mrexperience]
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My analysis from another thread:



Just some thoughts......formation 4-5-1

Dwayne Miller had a quiet game - good thing.

Nuggsey played very well. Looked like a breath of fresh air round the back and did not give the ball away. No long kicks down the field. 9

Claude got his body into the right positions to defend but he's CLUMSY. squad player. But not first choice starter. 5

Lance Laing: WTF. sorry for Lance cause his performance was embarassing today. Why didn't Nathan Smith get a chance? 2.5

Virgo: Started out ok but his performance nosed dived after the fist quarter of the match. Kept misplacing his passes. Sadly he's likely to start on the 8th cause there is no other right back in the side now (JT on one game suspension). Thats why Tappa you don't discard your utility players. Had Omar Daley been here, he could have done an emergency job, instead the coach was forced to use Renae Lloyd. Its either Taylor or someone like Danny Simpson out of England in the long run. Ric's gonna be upset....He's been shouting Simpson from mawning.4.5

Rohan Reid: Here's where all y'all gonna think I'm nuts. I though Rohan had an ok game. Not his best for Jamaica. I told you guys based on what I saw at training that he's not great in the air and that was borne out today. He was good on the ground though. Remember, the two center backs had it easy, and that was partly due to a lack of teeth by this young Panama side but that was also due to the coverage Reid provided. He made raking cross field passes. He played it simple most of the time. And some of his vertical passes along the ground were Intelligent with a capital 'I'. I counted about 4 mistakes on the ball from him but thats still too high for your center link.
the weird thing is that Ewan Grandison who is a naturally inclined central midfielder too, played right beside him. they were both inclined to go for the same balls and sometimes this led to mix up and the crowd wanted to kill both of them!
I blame Tappa still, look how Ric beg him nuh fi start Rudolph and Jason Morrison together! well this was even worse.
I begging the ites them to watch the tape, (if we can get it) again. Reid didn't play all that badly. Better than Rudolph at gold cup. 6.5

Ewan Grandison was poor. He's 20 years old and he played like an old man. Made alot of mistakes on the ball and 3 or 4 times suddenly he'd pressure the ball and win one that you didn't expect him to win. those were his only bright spots. Didn't see him for Lennon or PMU, so not sure what he's supposed to bring to the table, but what I've seen of Lamar Nelson of Arnett makes him infinitely a better choice. 4


Joel Senior: I BEG TO DIFFER! Somebody gave this man an 8! Unno mad?! I saw Joel play against Cuba and it strikes me that he's intelligent and can follow instructions but his athletic gifts are limited. He's not a great tackler, he doesn't have the pace to go outside so he has to cut inside to Reid each time. And most of what he tried today didn't come off. The few that did looked good. (mostly 2crosses, and couple of 'wider-wide' dinks to fuller down the right flank). He was better than Grandison, but the loudest cheer the crowd had was when it was announced that he was to come off. I trust that this experiment is over. 4.5

Dada Daley: Occasionally I used to see Jordon do some big dribble in basketball and reverse lay up and the ball would spin along the rim and roll out. That was my impression of Dada today. Almost.....just ...almost but not quite there. He was supposed to be the flair guy. Every thing he tried almost worked. You would see him trying a nice body shift, then the defender would recover and get a desperate toe on it. That was his evening -frustrating. And remember, he doesn't contribute that much defensively. So we were depending on him to organise the attack. Its time to get Jobi, cause Dada wont be ready. Very talented though. 5

Shelton was started in left midfield and ites..there is a problem. He doesn't use the ball very well at all. The thing about that position, is that you have to know how to knock it around and integrate, cause balls over the top won't always come. He was poor anytime he was stood up, and this time Luton was even poor when he tried to dribble (which is unusual for him). Did nobody else notice this!?! Am I going mad?!!
He did some tackling. Team defence on a whole wasn't bad.Which is why I counted one chance besides the set piece goal. Again Omar Daley would have done a much better job in this roll. 5

Fuller: He admitted that he's still coming back to full fitness from his injury, but let me tell you. At times it was vintage fuller. He looks sharp and looks a sure starter. Agree with Ric and some of the other ites that say fuller can drop in a 'top link' position. Everything good came through him. And as bad as we were overall, he made us look the better team. We did create 4 clear chances. Fuller hit the post. 8.5

Errol Stevens: He should have started, having revived the (guyana) game in Mobay, and quite frankly I'd seen enough of Joel Senior. But don't go singing his praises too much. He held onto the ball too much and coughed it up a couple of times as a result. Had 3 (i counted them) good moves on the left where he looked very dangerous. this time i thought he did more wrong than right but he just had the second half where we were chasing the game. 6

Demar Phillips: Demar can play almost anywhere on the field. I'm surving notice. If Sean Francis remains on the bench at his club, and IF Whitmore is not sold on Nathan Smith(i really don't know if that is so); given the fact that Bibi is still returning from injury, Demar might have to take back up this left back thing. He looked good as always - national captain mi seh! 8

Marlon King: Looked a bit rusty, but he'll be fine. Still a sure starter for me. 5

Chris Humphrey: Because of Virgo's poor game. Humphrey was starved of the ball. He helped out in defense and he's lightening quick, can't wait to see him with the right side. If whitmore stops playing two DEFENSIVE midfielders, it is possible for him and Dane to play on the same field. 6

I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERY BODY THAT IT STARTS WITH A SOUND DEFENSE AND ALTHOUGH THE TWO WING BACKS WERE POOR, THE CENTRAL DEFENSE AND REID (YES REID) STOOD UP. THEY COULDN'T GET INTO OUR BOX. THE GOAL WAS A SET PIECE CORNER. I'm glad Virgo, Grandison and Senior had these poor games before we start them in WCQ. Now we know what to do.
Match ball to Nuggsy.
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#198039 - 05/27/12 11:10 PM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: mrexperience]
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totally agree with u but senior should have gotten the lowest rating, he played the ball back every time we were going forward, saw Chris Humphrey making runs on the wing and no ball was reaching him u could see that he was upset
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#198044 - 05/28/12 12:12 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: Georgian]
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Jamaica, starting with Nuggsy, Claude, Laing ? and Virgo at the back...Joel Senior, Rohan Reid and Ewan Grandison, along with Dada Daley in midfield...lacked cohesion as a unit...this is the key problem that nuff ites nah see...its di collective ting that had Jamaica looking really poor in the first half.

The midfield was static, non-creative and couldn't pass the ball forward to save their lives...this was not Panama's strongest line up...and it certainly wasn't Jamaica's IMO but...

This Panama B side totally outplayed this Jamaica B side in the first half...

And Jamiaca's second half B+ side still couldn't put them away even though a more senior looking Jamaica side in the second half were all over them.

Its really frustrating to be looking at Jamaica and seeing the team that is potentially there and what the result could be and then seeing it undermined by saddling the team with weak local players who simply carry down the overall standard of play of the entire side.

Rohan Reid might have played a half-decent game INDIVIDUALLY but Jamaica's collective midfield looked very very poor with him, Grandison, Joel Senior and Dada Daley all playing together.

I have to hope that Tappa was using this match to run the rule over his SUBSTUTUTES...

And that he knows his best team and will start them in the second match with Panama in Panama City.

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#198058 - 05/28/12 04:34 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: Ric]
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"Mi Dun seh it a ready Dadda FI guh play corner league, Shelton fi come offa di bench, clumsy claude nuh ready, and stop fing use Demar at left back, too late fi di experiment ting, and Tappa need fi find another coaching job, wait until dem guh Pamama, more embassasment, JFF wait too late, they always do the last minute thing" \:D \:D \:D
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#198064 - 05/28/12 06:24 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: Marklon]
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Dadda should be dropped for missing the goal at 21 min, shelton is regressing as a top balla, Claude Davis is useless period. Rohan reid cannot manage the midfield. Lance laing does not belong better we use Shaun Francis
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#198079 - 05/28/12 08:15 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: mrexperience]
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 Originally Posted By: mrexperience
My analysis from another thread:



Just some thoughts......formation 4-5-1

Dwayne Miller had a quiet game - good thing.

Nuggsey played very well. Looked like a breath of fresh air round the back and did not give the ball away. No long kicks down the field. 9

Claude got his body into the right positions to defend but he's CLUMSY. squad player. But not first choice starter. 5

Lance Laing: WTF. sorry for Lance cause his performance was embarassing today. Why didn't Nathan Smith get a chance? 2.5

Virgo: Started out ok but his performance nosed dived after the fist quarter of the match. Kept misplacing his passes. Sadly he's likely to start on the 8th cause there is no other right back in the side now (JT on one game suspension). Thats why Tappa you don't discard your utility players. Had Omar Daley been here, he could have done an emergency job, instead the coach was forced to use Renae Lloyd. Its either Taylor or someone like Danny Simpson out of England in the long run. Ric's gonna be upset....He's been shouting Simpson from mawning.4.5

Rohan Reid: Here's where all y'all gonna think I'm nuts. I though Rohan had an ok game. Not his best for Jamaica. I told you guys based on what I saw at training that he's not great in the air and that was borne out today. He was good on the ground though. Remember, the two center backs had it easy, and that was partly due to a lack of teeth by this young Panama side but that was also due to the coverage Reid provided. He made raking cross field passes. He played it simple most of the time. And some of his vertical passes along the ground were Intelligent with a capital 'I'. I counted about 4 mistakes on the ball from him but thats still too high for your center link.
the weird thing is that Ewan Grandison who is a naturally inclined central midfielder too, played right beside him. they were both inclined to go for the same balls and sometimes this led to mix up and the crowd wanted to kill both of them!
I blame Tappa still, look how Ric beg him nuh fi start Rudolph and Jason Morrison together! well this was even worse.
I begging the ites them to watch the tape, (if we can get it) again. Reid didn't play all that badly. Better than Rudolph at gold cup. 6.5

Ewan Grandison was poor. He's 20 years old and he played like an old man. Made alot of mistakes on the ball and 3 or 4 times suddenly he'd pressure the ball and win one that you didn't expect him to win. those were his only bright spots. Didn't see him for Lennon or PMU, so not sure what he's supposed to bring to the table, but what I've seen of Lamar Nelson of Arnett makes him infinitely a better choice. 4


Joel Senior: I BEG TO DIFFER! Somebody gave this man an 8! Unno mad?! I saw Joel play against Cuba and it strikes me that he's intelligent and can follow instructions but his athletic gifts are limited. He's not a great tackler, he doesn't have the pace to go outside so he has to cut inside to Reid each time. And most of what he tried today didn't come off. The few that did looked good. (mostly 2crosses, and couple of 'wider-wide' dinks to fuller down the right flank). He was better than Grandison, but the loudest cheer the crowd had was when it was announced that he was to come off. I trust that this experiment is over. 4.5

Dada Daley: Occasionally I used to see Jordon do some big dribble in basketball and reverse lay up and the ball would spin along the rim and roll out. That was my impression of Dada today. Almost.....just ...almost but not quite there. He was supposed to be the flair guy. Every thing he tried almost worked. You would see him trying a nice body shift, then the defender would recover and get a desperate toe on it. That was his evening -frustrating. And remember, he doesn't contribute that much defensively. So we were depending on him to organise the attack. Its time to get Jobi, cause Dada wont be ready. Very talented though. 5

Shelton was started in left midfield and ites..there is a problem. He doesn't use the ball very well at all. The thing about that position, is that you have to know how to knock it around and integrate, cause balls over the top won't always come. He was poor anytime he was stood up, and this time Luton was even poor when he tried to dribble (which is unusual for him). Did nobody else notice this!?! Am I going mad?!!
He did some tackling. Team defence on a whole wasn't bad.Which is why I counted one chance besides the set piece goal. Again Omar Daley would have done a much better job in this roll. 5

Fuller: He admitted that he's still coming back to full fitness from his injury, but let me tell you. At times it was vintage fuller. He looks sharp and looks a sure starter. Agree with Ric and some of the other ites that say fuller can drop in a 'top link' position. Everything good came through him. And as bad as we were overall, he made us look the better team. We did create 4 clear chances. Fuller hit the post. 8.5

Errol Stevens: He should have started, having revived the (guyana) game in Mobay, and quite frankly I'd seen enough of Joel Senior. But don't go singing his praises too much. He held onto the ball too much and coughed it up a couple of times as a result. Had 3 (i counted them) good moves on the left where he looked very dangerous. this time i thought he did more wrong than right but he just had the second half where we were chasing the game. 6

Demar Phillips: Demar can play almost anywhere on the field. I'm surving notice. If Sean Francis remains on the bench at his club, and IF Whitmore is not sold on Nathan Smith(i really don't know if that is so); given the fact that Bibi is still returning from injury, Demar might have to take back up this left back thing. He looked good as always - national captain mi seh! 8

Marlon King: Looked a bit rusty, but he'll be fine. Still a sure starter for me. 5

Chris Humphrey: Because of Virgo's poor game. Humphrey was starved of the ball. He helped out in defense and he's lightening quick, can't wait to see him with the right side. If whitmore stops playing two DEFENSIVE midfielders, it is possible for him and Dane to play on the same field. 6

I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERY BODY THAT IT STARTS WITH A SOUND DEFENSE AND ALTHOUGH THE TWO WING BACKS WERE POOR, THE CENTRAL DEFENSE AND REID (YES REID) STOOD UP. THEY COULDN'T GET INTO OUR BOX. THE GOAL WAS A SET PIECE CORNER. I'm glad Virgo, Grandison and Senior had these poor games before we start them in WCQ. Now we know what to do.
Match ball to Nuggsy.


Good talk MRex; true, Reid did awright to me but he's not better than Austin nor Jason, just fresh blood. If someone's to be replaced it has to be with someone better than and with more intangibles to their game than who they are replacing.

I agree that this two defensive midfield set not cutting it. We are repeating the same Austin/Jason scenario all over again in doing so.

Yes having Humphrey's & Dane on at the same time with one less defensive midfielder may work. So in front of Austin or Reid, would be Phillips, Humphreys & Dane. Then Fuller in front of those and Marlon on strike.

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#198080 - 05/28/12 08:17 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: Hamilton Israel]
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Bwoy this second match in Panama ca come quickly enough....
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#198085 - 05/28/12 09:24 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: Hamilton Israel]
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wait, mrex...u did deh a half line too....lol

real talk HI...I really thought we would see the team that was gonna start the guatemala match here. If that starting 11 was it bwoy wi corner dark...WCQing and Friendlies a two different horse.

The lethargic attitude of the midfield cannot be what Whitmore wants to portray, that is beyond stupid. What we did in the Gold Cup was the direction everyone here believe that we would be taking...our natural strength....SPEEEED....running at them, giving them no space. Who watched the Brazil vs Denmark game on Saturday? Did you see how Brazil's midfield and forward line stifled Denmark, they were in shock from the game start, and aaaawe after 3 goals...

You mean to tell me that we haven't figured out that the football game is no longer a lay back and wait thing...the more I look on the game the more stressed I become, and I am now hoping for a change in the next 2 matches.
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#198090 - 05/28/12 09:40 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: pHoQrY]
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FuQry mi deh a d match and mi see the reason why Dada cant mek the bench pon preston side much less the starting and it has notin to do with kick and run down ball. He has the potential but he is yet to fulfill it. D man dem need to allow the yute to do this and stop full up him head bout him a big balla!!! Him no reach deh yet!!! It is clear to me that Tappas heart is with the local base players. Even at the last stage him still trying. Weh him a go do put in the balla fi gel in a qualifying match!!! Senior have an OK game but deh level yah bigga than him. Shelton no fi start period!! This is not fucking cuba and grenada!! figet the sentiments. The defense was solid except for laing. Nuggsy a one a d most solid defender mi see in a Jamaican shirt fi a while now. Stevens fi start ova DAda day in day out. Demar a di boss as usual. If shelton, dada, laing and senior a start Guatemala match mi nah go . A man can call mi anything i dnt give a fuc Betta mi stay a mi damn business and mek some money. FuQry nice analysis as usual mi general
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#198094 - 05/28/12 09:51 AM Re: pHoQrY from the Half Line - Jamaica vs Panama 27052012 [Re: zilla]
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All mi av to add. Tappa heart set a ready and it clear. But with what him doing we not going to no world cup. Somebody need to sit him the [censored] down and tell him to get rid a him raas cloth bias. [censored] man. Look pon the choices him av and him still hook line and sinka pon certain ballas!! Tappa if a di brazilian dem a tell u fuckry, run dem weh. If a ur personal bias do the rite thing. Im hoping though that after this match u put a better side pon the field so the man dem can gel. It was clear in the second half wen humphrey, phillips, king and steven came on that the team lack chemistry.
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