Definately all true. I badly want to see McAnuff in our team again aswell. We are trying to convince new players to represent us but in McAnuff we have a top, top quality player who ia already on our roster so it would be crazy not to convince him to return. He is the best attacking midfield option we have like you said for sure. I agree that our forward line is one of the best in the region already and this is not our problem. We have good wingers and strikers already and like you said the concentration needs to be on improving our midfield particularly the creative side of things and our defence. We have options in Damion Stewart, Claude Davis and Nosworthy who are better than Shavar and Taylor. We also have in Perch and Simpson, options to improve further but we need to put as much effort into bringing back the best of the players already on our roster as we seem to be on recruiting new ones and McAnuff should be the number one target no doubt. I think that in the forthcoming friendly games we need to get our performances right, our team chemistry and strategy working, the results are bonuses but playing well is the most important thing because over a 16 match qualifying campaign, if we perform well consistantly we will get the points we need but if you play well in a one off friendly its still possible to loose so lets not put too much concentration on the results but more on how we are playing. Having said that, really we should be beating Cuba comfortably and beating New Zealand aswell but thats not the most important thing at this stage. I like you am optimistic about our future for the 1st time in a long time. If things are handled like we expect them to be, WE WILL QUALIFY FOR BRAZIL 2014 IN MY OPINION.
To my knowledge James Perch is Bajan, not Grenadian or Jamaican. His teammate Danny Simpson is eligible for Jamaica though and I think jayouth has been in touch with him.
Maybe you are right because I found 2 sources that said he is what I said but the sources are unreliable because they are people writing on blogs saying Perch is Jamaican/Grenadian and maybe its not true but it needs to be investigated anyway. Danny Simpson is more than enough to solve our right back problem anyway. Ric, Hamilton and Pele have talked about Fuller playing in a deeper role for the national team because of his creative ability and skill and I have said that I agree. On saturday Fuller came off the bench after a injury to Stoke striker Jerome and soon after his arrival in the game Stoke were reduced to 10 men due to Huth's red card. Fuller then switched to a deeper role, he was dropping deeper, linking the play and producing the odd moment of magic like always. I said before that he has tired quickly when ive watched him for Stoke lately, but on Saturday he played more than half the game and worked very hard for his team, he didnt look tired so I think the accumilation of substitute appearances he has had recently have helped him to reach a decent level of fitness now. With the fitness he has now gained, the free role in our team, between midfield and attack is something he can definately do well. I would still love to see Jobi McAnuff return to our team in that role because he is the best creative midfield option we have, but from the players we have been using, he is the best option in that position for sure. Marlon Kings Birmingham team are now 3rd in the Championship, 2 points behind 2nd and 6 points behind 1st. Claude Davis' Crawley team are back at the top of league 2. Jobi McAnuff's Reading are now 8th in the Championship, 2 points outside the playoff's and with a game in hand. Jermaine Johnson's amazing form has seen his Sheffield wednesday team rise to 2nd place in league 1 putting them in a automatic promotion place. Lee Williamson's Sheffield united team are in 4th place, in a playoff position, 4 points behind Sheffield wednesday with 2 games in hand so it looks like being a close promotion fight between the 2 Sheffield clubs and the 2 reggae boys that play for them. Damion Stewart's Notts County team are in 11th place, 8 points outside the playoffs and them making a fight for a playoff place cant be ruled out with 18 matches still to play. Jamal Campbell-Ryce was recalled to the Bristol city squad on saturday and was a used substitute, playing for the 1st time in ages. Marcus Bean's Brentford team are now in 9th place in league 1, 5 points outside the playoffs so we have alot of players performing well and having success and its good to see this from a Jamaican supporters view point. On a more negative note, Bibi Gardner has been ruled out for the rest of the season due to his knee injury, Marvin Elliot is still out of action with a short term injury, Dada continues to struggle to gain a regular 1st team place and Reggae boyz left back Nathan Smith continues to be left out of the Chesterfield squad but things are going very well for most of the Boyz in England.
The main potential recruits are all playing well and on top of their game going into the business end of the English season...perfect timing for the start of Jamaica's WC qualifiers.
Jamaica really only needs McAnuff, Simpson, Nosworthy maybe(or at least one really good centre-half), Beckford maybe (as a back-up striker)...all the others are already on board(have played for the country numerous times).
Where Tappa's trump card lies is in looking back at the best teams that he played in and rebuilding Jamaica's attacking potential to create and score goals, while keeping the opposition off the scoreboard.
It is the attacking flair and potential of Fuller and McAnuff from the position that Tappa used to play that will cause CONCACAF's teams the most problems and fear.
The wing-play that Jamaica has used to build its attack around is now a 'one-trick pony' that has been found out...more of the attack must now flow through the MIDDLE of Jamaica's side to trouble and threaten the opposition...Jamaica's current wingers are second to NONE in CONCACAF so Jamaica loses absolutely nothing there.
The rest if the side alright once the right players are in position...proper top-level full backs and centre-halves...and solid defensive midfielders...these positions and players are functional...once they are doing their jobs, defensive solidity is guaranteed but that alone will not win football matches.
With the way Jamaica can play football, Fuller and McAnuff presents two players that CONCACAF has never really faced playing in a top Jamaica side yet...Fuller came really close the last time...and he is still Jamaica's premiere footballer.
Give these two a proper side to work in and Jamaica can really threaten again.
Ric I agree that we need more creative spark through the middle and that we have relied on our wingers too much in recent times with nothing coming through the middle. The formation has been changed which will help because we have a extra man in the middle but we need to add a more creative player through the middle of our midfield to get the full benenfits of our new formation. McAnuff must return, Williamson is my second choice, Pratley is being introduced but the other 2 options are better and Fuller like you, Pele and Hamilton have all said, can be the magic trick to bring our central attacks to life if we use him in a less advanced role. Regardless of who we select in creative roles, we must tighten up at the back to reach Brazil 2014. We have no right back as everybody knows and the centre of the backline needs to improve or reaching Brazil looks unlikely. Damion Stewart and Nosworthy must return and the right back problem must be addressed. Danny Simpson is the best right back option but his recruitment needs to be at the top of our priorities. I really hope Hoilett links up with the squad because he is class but he is a winger and other areas are the concern for us right now. Marvin Elliot is good and of a standard that is worthy of a place in the teams of all of our rival nations but who is good enough to play alongside him and compete against the best in Concacaf ? McAnuff, Simpson, Da. Stewart, Nosworthy and Hoilett would be enough to make us a real threat to all the other concacaf nations the coming campaign in my opinion and 3 of those 5 names are already on our roster so we are definately not far short of performing heroics and putting Jamaica back on the footballing map for sure, if we choose the right squad of players.
Regardless of who we select in creative roles, we must tighten up at the back to reach Brazil 2014. We have no right back as everybody knows and the centre of the backline needs to improve or reaching Brazil looks unlikely. Damion Stewart and Nosworthy must return and the right back problem must be addressed. Danny Simpson is the best right back option but his recruitment needs to be at the top of our priorities. I really hope Hoilett links up with the squad because he is class but he is a winger and other areas are the concern for us right now. Marvin Elliot is good and of a standard that is worthy of a place in the teams of all of our rival nations but who is good enough to play alongside him and compete against the best in Concacaf ? McAnuff, Simpson, Da. Stewart, Nosworthy and Hoilett would be enough to make us a real threat to all the other concacaf nations the coming campaign in my opinion and 3 of those 5 names are already on our roster so we are definately not far short of performing heroics and putting Jamaica back on the footballing map for sure, if we choose the right squad of players.
Ric lives in what he wrongly perceives to be the "MECCA" of football yet he is the only person who seems to think that football is only played on the offensive end.
Listening to Ric one gets the feeling that he has this belief that if JA would only concentrate on the offensive end the whole of CONCACAF will drop their 12 men in the backfield, cowering against JA offensive onslaught to the point where JA could play 4 rocks and a "donkey" in the defensive end and still come away with a 4 - 0 result.
I know I said 12 men, but with such offensive firepower coming from JA it would be unfair not to afford the other teams an extra man . I am sure Mexico & the USA will be most appreciative.
Let me note an observation:
You guys promised professionalism from the UK players should things get difficult on the pitch, when compared to the local players, as a major reason to recruit these players. They are coming from a professional environment I am told, but when I look at the BPL, the most professional league in the world according to many, I see the same frustration, dog attitude and tentativeness from players on top flight teams in that top league when they are down against other top flight teams. These players are playing for top clubs in optimal conditions, except for the weather, top organizations, accommodations second to none, top coaches, fervent fan support, and with what I am sure most of them see as a lot to fight for considering the quality of the players on the bench ready to take their place...and yet they are prone to same emotions as any other player.
Regardless of who we select in creative roles, we must tighten up at the back to reach Brazil 2014. We have no right back as everybody knows and the centre of the backline needs to improve or reaching Brazil looks unlikely. Damion Stewart and Nosworthy must return and the right back problem must be addressed. Danny Simpson is the best right back option but his recruitment needs to be at the top of our priorities. I really hope Hoilett links up with the squad because he is class but he is a winger and other areas are the concern for us right now. Marvin Elliot is good and of a standard that is worthy of a place in the teams of all of our rival nations but who is good enough to play alongside him and compete against the best in Concacaf ? McAnuff, Simpson, Da. Stewart, Nosworthy and Hoilett would be enough to make us a real threat to all the other concacaf nations the coming campaign in my opinion and 3 of those 5 names are already on our roster so we are definately not far short of performing heroics and putting Jamaica back on the footballing map for sure, if we choose the right squad of players.
Ric lives in what he wrongly perceives to be the "MECCA" of football yet he is the only person who seems to think that football is only played on the offensive end.
Listening to Ric one gets the feeling that he has this belief that if JA would only concentrate on the offensive end the whole of CONCACAF will drop their 12 men in the backfield, cowering against JA offensive onslaught to the point where JA could play 4 rocks and a "donkey" in the defensive end and still come away with a 4 - 0 result.
I know I said 12 men, but with such offensive firepower coming from JA it would be unfair not to afford the other teams an extra man . I am sure Mexico & the USA will be most appreciative.
Let me note an observation:
You guys promised professionalism from the UK players should things get difficult on the pitch, when compared to the local players, as a major reason to recruit these players. They are coming from a professional environment I am told, but when I look at the BPL, the most professional league in the world according to many, I see the same frustration, dog attitude and tentativeness from players on top flight teams in that top league when they are down against other top flight teams. These players are playing for top clubs in optimal conditions, except for the weather, top organizations, accommodations second to none, top coaches, fervent fan support, and with what I am sure most of them see as a lot to fight for considering the quality of the players on the bench ready to take their place...and yet they are prone to same emotions as any other player.
Oi...Pelepappa
Like mi done sey aredy, u a Costa Rican and Costa Rica is your priority and first love...any vibes you can sow mongst di Yard crew fi undermine strenthening the Jamaica side will serve you well...gwann wuk pon di man dem head who u can fool..u caan fool me.
U mussi fear a strong Jamaica side...with the best of Jamaica's heritage balla dem...if the JFF can get the balla dem dat wi need...mi caan blame u pappa...mi well remember Deon Burton bussin up Costa Rica net in Kingston in the 98 qualifiers, 1-0...and di balla dem weh Jamaica might be able to call on now waay betta than Burton...
U really mussi a worry now my yute...but come offa di Ric fenda ...gwaan undermine who u can undermine...di Ric a no onna dem, zeen !
Regardless of who we select in creative roles, we must tighten up at the back to reach Brazil 2014. We have no right back as everybody knows and the centre of the backline needs to improve or reaching Brazil looks unlikely. Damion Stewart and Nosworthy must return and the right back problem must be addressed. Danny Simpson is the best right back option but his recruitment needs to be at the top of our priorities. I really hope Hoilett links up with the squad because he is class but he is a winger and other areas are the concern for us right now. Marvin Elliot is good and of a standard that is worthy of a place in the teams of all of our rival nations but who is good enough to play alongside him and compete against the best in Concacaf ? McAnuff, Simpson, Da. Stewart, Nosworthy and Hoilett would be enough to make us a real threat to all the other concacaf nations the coming campaign in my opinion and 3 of those 5 names are already on our roster so we are definately not far short of performing heroics and putting Jamaica back on the footballing map for sure, if we choose the right squad of players.
Ric lives in what he wrongly perceives to be the "MECCA" of football yet he is the only person who seems to think that football is only played on the offensive end.
Listening to Ric one gets the feeling that he has this belief that if JA would only concentrate on the offensive end the whole of CONCACAF will drop their 12 men in the backfield, cowering against JA offensive onslaught to the point where JA could play 4 rocks and a "donkey" in the defensive end and still come away with a 4 - 0 result.
I know I said 12 men, but with such offensive firepower coming from JA it would be unfair not to afford the other teams an extra man . I am sure Mexico & the USA will be most appreciative.
Let me note an observation:
You guys promised professionalism from the UK players should things get difficult on the pitch, when compared to the local players, as a major reason to recruit these players. They are coming from a professional environment I am told, but when I look at the BPL, the most professional league in the world according to many, I see the same frustration, dog attitude and tentativeness from players on top flight teams in that top league when they are down against other top flight teams. These players are playing for top clubs in optimal conditions, except for the weather, top organizations, accommodations second to none, top coaches, fervent fan support, and with what I am sure most of them see as a lot to fight for considering the quality of the players on the bench ready to take their place...and yet they are prone to same emotions as any other player.
Oi...Pelepappa
Like mi done sey aredy, u a Costa Rican and Costa Rica is your priority and first love...any vibes you can sow mongst di Yard crew fi undermine strenthening the Jamaica side will serve you well...gwann wuk pon di man dem head who u can fool..u caan fool me.
That mussi why you regurgitate everything mi seh.
First you cuss my opinions, as you think you must, then later on I find you packaging them and expressing them as if they were yours. Strange indeed.
You can drop the foolish argument bout...'you are a CRican you don't want fi si Jamaica succeed.' If I wish Jamaica ill the easiest way to do it is to keep my opinion to myself and watch the ride.
The fact that you yuself come around to steal most of my ideas, after it is too late mind you, is proof enough.
How the hell Fuller ended up in your midfield? Whose idea was that since 2005? 7 years later the apple fell off the tree and hit you in the head. 7 years later. Could you imagine if JA had grasp that insight 7 years ago and implemented it instead of now, if they do, throwing Fuller into the position in the middle of qualifiers without any warm-up games? That will be a disaster in itself. The right idea, but a disaster based on the timing of it implementation. Playing the ball through the middle requires coordination and familiarity between the players, none of that is possible without playing games together.
Let mi peep you to a secret. It is not the players or lack of players that is keeping JA back, that's why I am not too enthuse when the conversation gets into let recruit this and that player. You are acting as if JA never recruited UK players since '98.
Maybe we have recruited since before 98 but in the last couple of years, I dont remember a foreign born player representing us and there are so many players who have the ability to improve us alot that we havent contacted and a few more who have been in our squad before and are not being used. Also we have many good players in certain areas but in others we dont even have one who is capable of performing to the level required for us to have a successful qualifying campaign and with so many recruitment options it is crazy that we havent filled the voids in our team. With the return of the captain has come a fresh approach to recruitment which will improve us alot and everybody is happy about that because Tappa has already adjusted the tactics and the formation of the team to allow us to perform much better than we did at the Gold cup, the only thing left to do is recruit quality players and thats what Ric is saying. Maybe players wasnt the problem in the past but we are a team with no right back and no attacking midfielder who is good enough right now so what you said about lack of players not being the problem is actually inaccurate. I agree that playing through the middle requires familiarity between the players but if we do recruit players, we have a friendly this month for them to play together with the squad and another friendly date in May for us to get the chemistry and understanding between the members of the team right. Ric has actually stated many times the need for us to improve defensively and has been at the heart of the "We need to recruit Danny Simpson and bring back Nosworthy" campaign so he clearly has some understanding of the fact that Defensive solidarity is crucial. Taking the focus away from this debate for a sec, Jermaine Johnson is the man in form for true, he scored again yesterday, he is on fire and must return to our team. Jamal Campbell-Ryce actually started for Bristol City on saturday along with Marvin Elliot who returned from the injury list which is a big plus for us.
Maybe we have recruited since before 98 but in the last couple of years, I dont remember a foreign born player representing us and there are so many players who have the ability to improve us alot that we havent contacted and a few more who have been in our squad before and are not being used. Also we have many good players in certain areas but in others we dont even have one who is capable of performing to the level required for us to have a successful qualifying campaign and with so many recruitment options it is crazy that we havent filled the voids in our team. With the return of the captain has come a fresh approach to recruitment which will improve us alot and everybody is happy about that because Tappa has already adjusted the tactics and the formation of the team to allow us to perform much better than we did at the Gold cup, the only thing left to do is recruit quality players and thats what Ric is saying. Maybe players wasnt the problem in the past but we are a team with no right back and no attacking midfielder who is good enough right now so what you said about lack of players not being the problem is actually inaccurate. I agree that playing through the middle requires familiarity between the players but if we do recruit players, we have a friendly this month for them to play together with the squad and another friendly date in May for us to get the chemistry and understanding between the members of the team right.
A bigger concern than recruitment of players IMO should be to identify the reasons the prior recruits failed to lift JA football and see if those roadblocks still exist and how to deal with them if they do. If you think about it, concentrating solely on recruitment has and will actually add fuel to the critics of recruiting foreign players. When these players are put in situations to fail and actually do fail the critics don't blame the JFF, they blame all these foreign players who in their estimation don't care. Unfair as it is that sentiment takes hold in the country and makes it harder to go that route again. That's not only a Jamaica phenomenom by the way, I read where the UK is having the same debate about foreign coach versus UK coach for the national team. The UK team never won jack under any coach, foreign or domestic, but they still found it necessary to blame the foreign coach who has won everywhere else.
Teams in CONCACAF are not concern with JA recruiting players, because it doens't matter who you recruit. Players are not machines, these recruits will be chewed up by the dysfunctions/challenges inherent in JA football. The dysfunctions in JA football is what other teams depend on to succeed against JA in tournaments. Everyone here talk about these recruits as if they are coming to play in ideal situations. No one addresses the dysfunctions/challenges inherent in the JFF that has JA coming up short time and time again in tournaments.
Your post itself point to some of these dysfunctions:
1-It is crazy not to have filled the voids in the team, you said. That should've been done before the GC. The GC didn't reveal these voids as many are making the mistake of believing. Even if it took the GC to reveal these voids...how many games has JA played since the GC? 3, 4? Shouldn't the debate today be which recruits made the team? Better late than never seems to be the response. What needs to be factor in is that sometimes it is too late to be better, so it is just as good as never. A costly never at that.
2. With the return of the Captain comes a fresh approach to recruitment. You said. Where did the Captain go? Who here really believe the Captain went anywhere that prevented anything from being accomplished? People talking about new friendlies and new recruiting approach since the Captain returned as if he was out of his post for 4 years and just won re-election? He was banned for 3 months, his regime remained in place, nobody else took over. How many times must the Captain play this game with unnu? There is always a new approach to something whenever the Captain need to garner some goodwill, but they never materialize beyond the talking stages. That is his M.O. Actually we were recently promised new recruits that had evryone excited and ended up with 3 players that wasn't on anyone's radar.
3. Playing through the middle seems to be the latest buzz. You agree that playing through the middle requires familiarity between the players. For that to be accomplished you are counting on the players being recruited and playing in these 2 supposed scheduled friendlies. This is the JFF, history says the success you envision depends on more than they are able to deliver. And don't count on extended camps to make up for lack of preparation, the locals will be the ones going to those camps, if they materialize. That's not negativity, it is reality.
In summary, my opinion is that the dysfunctions/challenges inherent in JA football outweigh any recruitment of players, no matter the level of their professionalism, and must be giving priority if JA is to succeed in tournaments. That doesn't mean don't recruit players.
In summary, my opinion is that the dysfunctions/challenges inherent in JA football outweigh any recruitment of players, no matter the level of their professionalism, and must be giving priority if JA is to succeed in tournaments. That doesn't mean don't recruit players
Pelepappa...I totally aree with you here; the recruitment of the suggested UK players alone will not guarantee Jamaica a successful WC campaign if the JFF does not sort itself out and function effectively to prepare the groundwork for a successful campaign...and beyond that...if indeed Jamaica does make it to Brasil 2014.
Pele you are right. The JFF's approach to our developement has always been the major factor in our disappointing performances and lack of success, this is true and I am aware of this as I have stated many times. You are also right that we should have got things from from the Gold cup because that was the perfect enviroment to get ready for the challenge we face in the coming qualifying campaign. At the Gold cup we were facing the best in Concacaf in a competition enviroment so thats where we needed to call up new players and use the Gold cup as a practice run before the WCQ campaign. Also you have opened my eyes to the possibilty that that the talk which the captain is coming with now is just a publicity stunt because of his current need for positive publicity and I feel shame that I didnt consider this, you are smart, though I hope that is not the case. I said that player recruitment is the problem because I can see that Tappa has learned alot and that all he needs to give us a big chance in the wcq is a few new players but it is true that in the past this hasnt been the problem. Also you said that we have called up English born players before but have had no success with it most of the time but I think that the reason we have failed with these players in the past is that mostof the time we have been calling up English born players who are either no better than, or not as good as the players we already had. The captain is now contacting players who are better than the ones we have and I still believe that if the ones he is talking about and the forum favourites of the past are in our squad then we will qualify for Brazil 2014. No doubt that the JFF'S unprofessional attitude has been the major problem, both in developing talent on the island and achieving success with the national team but we dont have time to change every elememt of the set up and what we need is a quick fix ahead of the qualifiers. The right formation and tactics are now in place and I still believe that with the addition of Hoilett, McAnuff, Williamson, Simpson, Nosworthy, J.Johnson, Da Stewart, Pratley to the current squad we will qualify for Brazil comfortably. I believe those players along with our new tactics would make us a difficult challenge to Mexico and make us better than the U.S, Costa Rica(be worried if this happens Pele lol) and all the other teams in concacaf for real. However last time we qualified for the World cup, we went further and further backwards in the campaigns that followed and this is where the JFF's approach must change. Reaching the world cup would be a major achievement for us but unless the JFF build on it by spending some of the money they make from qualifying on developing young players for the future, improving our facilities including the pitches for the RSPL and the standard of accomidation and training facilities for national team players and continue to recruit in the following years using our world cup success as the platform for attracting high quality ballas of JA descent, we will end up back where we are now even if we did reach the world cup. 1st thing, we need to qualify and I just hope the possibilty you stated about publicity stunts is not true or everything I wrote above might have been a waste of time because reaching Brazil will be difficult. Though I wont rule us out as contenders if that is the case, my confidence will evaporate a little more.
[quote=reggae boy]Maybe we have recruited since before 98 but in the last couple of years, I dont remember a foreign born player representing us and there are so many players who have the ability to improve us alot that we havent contacted and a few more who have been in our squad before and are not being used. Also we have many good players in certain areas but in others we dont even have one who is capable of performing to the level required for us to have a successful qualifying campaign and with so many recruitment options it is crazy that we havent filled the voids in our team. With the return of the captain has come a fresh approach to recruitment which will improve us alot and everybody is happy about that because Tappa has already adjusted the tactics and the formation of the team to allow us to perform much better than we did at the Gold cup, the only thing left to do is recruit quality players and thats what Ric is saying. Maybe players wasnt the problem in the past but we are a team with no right back and no attacking midfielder who is good enough right now so what you said about lack of players not being the problem is actually inaccurate. I agree that playing through the middle requires familiarity between the players but if we do recruit players, we have a friendly this month for them to play together with the squad and another friendly date in May for us to get the chemistry and understanding between the members of the team right.
Originally Posted By: pelepapa
A bigger concern than recruitment of players IMO should be to identify the reasons the prior recruits failed to lift JA football and see if those roadblocks still exist and how to deal with them if they do.
True I agree with this PP & RB, however someone on this site tweet Marcus Bean about the upcoming friendly in New Zealand and he responded that wants to go but he hasn't receive a call yet.
I think this time around is different PELE, why? 98% of the team plays professionally overseas. Regardless of the condition (infrastructure -fields, housing, amenities, chum change match fees etc) in JA the recruits coming in will be able to adjust better because they are among yardman who came out of the system, came abroad, playing professionally, making money and is still enduring the "less than system" of JA football. This I think will help any recruit cause we don't know if the JFF has a system in place to get recruits assimilated.
Originally Posted By: pelepapa
If you think about it, concentrating solely on recruitment has and will actually add fuel to the critics of recruiting foreign players. When these players are put in situations to fail and actually do fail the critics don't blame the JFF, they blame all these foreign players who in their estimation don't care. Unfair as it is that sentiment takes hold in the country and makes it harder to go that route again.
That's not only a Jamaica phenomenom by the way, I read where the UK is having the same debate about foreign coach versus UK coach for the national team. The UK team never won jack under any coach, foreign or domestic, but they still found it necessary to blame the foreign coach who has won everywhere else.
PP, we have address other issues on here we would like to see change, not just the recruiting; one, we are clamoring for academies; a better marketing plan for our local semi-pro league and we're seeing REDSTRIPE taking the lead in doing this. Plus other sponsorers are coming on board.
Coaches having mandatory licences is a step up; the overalling of all the leagues and clubs in JA at the moment is the next big thing on the table. One Brazilian has even call for the disban of the High Schools being the feeder for the semi-pro league. We can't disban anything unless something is there to take it's place. Academies is the viable option as feeder for pro-leagues.
Originally Posted By: pelepapa
Teams in CONCACAF are not concern with JA recruiting players, because it doens't matter who you recruit. Players are not machines, these recruits will be chewed up by the dysfunctions/challenges inherent in JA football. The dysfunctions in JA football is what other teams depend on to succeed against JA in tournaments. Everyone here talk about these recruits as if they are coming to play in ideal situations. No one addresses the dysfunctions/challenges inherent in the JFF that has JA coming up short time and time again in tournaments.
PP, it would be good to list some of these dysfunction; anyway I know some of them. Remember how Tappa and the JFF have stated they were giving the locals exposure(meaning possible foreign club contracts) by including some locals into the squad. we cried out against it saying;
It is not the responsibility of the JFF to expose any players for possible contracts overseas. That is the business of the player to get himself together -travelling papers, open tryouts in the MLS, work on his weaknesses etc- hire an agent and take it from there.
After we cried out what did TAPPA say after that: I paraphrase, he said they have given enough chances for the locals and it's up to them to prove themselves at the next level. No one is excluded from the pool, however it's the best players that will be pick, yard and abroad.
So PP things are being done, may not have notice, that is why we have a new optimism. The fans are being heard and they have stop taking us for granted as if we don't know football and organization. Now I believe we need to cry out more for academies, where football becomes like a day job to yutes, where yu nam football all day long.
Another, if you want to call dysfunction or challenges is the fact we are not having a staple of ongoing quality friendlies like what, for example the USA & CR are having. They can only get stronger from here on out and on top of that Klingsman has come with a kind of "don't take no prisoners" type intense mentality, that right now we don't have that in our camp yet.
Also, the fact that TAPPA/JFF took so long to recognize the need -at least after the GC game with USA- for 2-3 attacking midfielders on a tryout basis with the past 4 friendlies. That was a big blunder on their part, them trying to make Jason & Austin better in role that they don't even play on their club teams. that is the job of a Club coach to make a player better.
That point need to reveberate in the ears of TAPPA that it is not his responsibility in the true sense to get a player to be better. That is why you recruit the best in each position so when they come they are already groomed and in-form in that position, making coaches work easier.
I'm hoping this blunder doesn't come back and haunt us.
Originally Posted By: pelepapa
Your post itself point to some of these dysfunctions:
1-It is crazy not to have filled the voids in the team, you said. That should've been done before the GC. The GC didn't reveal these voids as many are making the mistake of believing. Even if it took the GC to reveal these voids...how many games has JA played since the GC? 3, 4? Shouldn't the debate today be which recruits made the team?
Better late than never seems to be the response. What needs to be factor in is that sometimes it is too late to be better, so it is just as good as never. A costly never at that.
2. With the return of the Captain comes a fresh approach to recruitment. You said. Where did the Captain go? Who here really believe the Captain went anywhere that prevented anything from being accomplished? People talking about new friendlies and new recruiting approach since the Captain returned as if he was out of his post for 4 years and just won re-election? He was banned for 3 months, his regime remained in place, nobody else took over. How many times must the Captain play this game with unnu?
There is always a new approach to something whenever the Captain need to garner some goodwill, but they never materialize beyond the talking stages. That is his M.O. Actually we were recently promised new recruits that had everyone excited and ended up with 3 players that wasn't on anyone's radar.
Pele only Marcus Bean (league 2) wasn't on the list; Elliot & Smith was there all along on our list. Problem is, they start from the bottom to recruit. So we know the JFF don't got it all figured out yet, but we'll help them, by God we will.
PP What a quote: "sometimes it's too late to get better." Bwoy I hope this doesn't apply to us come June. Our Administrators were/are too slow and seemingly lackadaisical to progress the team to next level of play. we'll see come KIWI time.
You said the Captain may be playing a game; well he spend money to go England recently and spoke to Beckford & Hoilett's father by phone. We don't know how far reaching the Hoilett situation will be but the final decision will be Junior hoilett's.
Though the JFF seem to be learning at the same they are making more mistake in not speaking to more than one attacking midfielder in Junior Hoilett. If he should declare for Canada then we're back to square one.
Does Tappa plan to use Fuller in that role behind the striker, we don't know, and Fuller is not physicaly durable. So i'm still dissappointed at their lack of foresight in this.
Originally Posted By: pelepapa
3. Playing through the middle seems to be the latest buzz. You agree that playing through the middle requires familiarity between the players. For that to be accomplished you are counting on the players being recruited and playing in these 2 supposed scheduled friendlies. This is the JFF, history says the success you envision depends on more than they are able to deliver. And don't count on extended camps to make up for lack of preparation, the locals will be the ones going to those camps, if they materialize. That's not negativity, it is reality.
In summary, my opinion is that the dysfunctions/challenges inherent in JA football outweigh any recruitment of players, no matter the level of their professionalism, and must be giving priority if JA is to succeed in tournaments. That doesn't mean don't recruit players.
the success you envision depends on more than they are able to deliver ---Hahaha.
In spite of them and their failings we hope to see new leadership on the field come June. That The professionalism our players has garnered in their leagues overseas will be the impetus they to use to be driven for this team to make out of the hex with flying colors.
I believe this forum, unlike any other has served our football well, and probably it will be the signal that things has really change in the annals of the JFF when they seek to make TheReggaeBoyz site, an official member of their organization's media outlet.
Has some would say....until hell freezes over first...
I joined the site in December because I put the net in my yard but I have been on this site for years, I just couldnt join because I only had internet on my phone and I couldnt join or sign in on my phone. This site has been my only real insite into the minds of reggae boyz supporters and my only real source for keeping up to date with events. No doubt this site should be a offical media outlet for the JFF but if it was gonna happen it already would have. I'm sure the JFF stay updated and are aware of what we write on here but are they smart enough to realise that what we say is the truth and needs to be implemented, probably not. I like you do have new sense of optimism about things but like you said, when the Kiwi friendly arrives we will know where we are and wont until then. I am happy that the captain is talking fresh talk of improvement and recruitment but we will have to wait to see if it is just talk because regardless of whether the new targets accept our invitations or not, we have players who have been in our squad before who can improve things alot, Williamson, McAnuff, King, Nosworthy, JJ and Da.Stewart so there will be no excuse for us not to see changes. Another reason this site will probably never be a official outlet for the JFF is that there are too many strong opinions on here and people in power usually always think they are right and dont listen and making this official would force them to respond to questions that they would struggle to answer, foolishness for real because they should realise that they need to listen and need to keep the fans regularly updated. If they cant answer questions like, why hasnt Williamson,McAnuff, King or Stewpeas returned to the squad then they are clearly not doing their jobs properly. I also agree that concentrating on Hoilett and Pratley for the attacking midfield position would be a mistake because like you said we dont know what Hoiletts answer will be and there are better options open to us than Pratley. The best thing to do would be to contact everybody that is good enough and qualifies and then that way, if some say no, others will more than likely say yes so we would have a back up plan.
Jobi McAnuff's Reading team are now up into a playoff place after their win on tuesday and they have joined Marlon Kings Birmingham team in the drivers seat in the fight for Premier league football next season. Ravel Morrison (west ham) who I have talked about as a possible part of our Reggae Boyz' future is in trouble again. He was convicted of whitness intimidation before and his move to London was seen as a chance for him to move in new circles and stay out of trouble but he has now been charged by the English FA for comments he made on his twitter account about homosexuals.
Me along with most others on this forum feel the same way about them but he is in the public eye and needs to be smarter particularly in England. I want him to be in our squad because he is 1 of the most talented young players in English football and his twitter comments have not changed my view at all but I hope he can keep out of trouble and make headlines for his talent in the future. Regardless of his off the field problems Ravel should be in our next squad along with Raheem Sterling (Liverpool)and Daniel Johnson(Aston Villa) because these 3 along with Alvas Powell, Oshane Jenkins, Omar Holness, all the other young talents on the island and the phoenix acadamy yutes can ensure we have a very bright future as a serious national team. Raheem, Ravel and Johnson are ready to shine now so I hope we capture them before England come calling which will happen if we dont take action fast. I am watching Stoke v Valencia and Stoke are 1-0 down at half time. I hope Fuller is introduced to make a impact like he did on saturday because thats the only reason im watching the game.
Didn't happen for Fuller..or Stoke last night; not surprising, seeing the side that Pulis decided to start the match with.
He obviously doesn't understand that European football calls for a different approach; I've actually mistakenly thought that him working with and watching Fuller play, up to the last round of the EL, would have taught him something but, as they say...you can't teach an old dog, new tricks...he will be in some deep sh*t up at the Brittania if Stoke City don't pick up enough points to retain a respectable Premiere league position.
Ravel Morrison only called someone a 'battybwoy' that he was having a personal quarrell with...this whole politically correctness and press vampireism is ruining life in Britian for everyone...di yute neva utter no anti-homosexual statements...u don know sey calling a fassyhole weh u inna argument with a 'battybwoy' is standard in Jamaican culture, whether dem a battybwoy or not....at least it show sey he's a true yardie at heart
If the JFF and the home-based Jamaican supporters would just embrace the concept of 'one-ness' Jamaica can be the dominant English-speaking black football team in the world.
Watch di ride with Reading and Birmingham City..dem two a go neck and neck for one of those play-off spots for promotion to the Prem, at least.
Jamaica fi still check alla a di England U21 players weh a Yard yutes..., Morrison, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Raheem Sterling, Nathan Redmonds, Daniel Johnson et al...check them and show dem sey Jamaica WANT them to represent Jamaica...they can make a choice if England does not eventually come calling, which in most of these cases, at senior level...will not happen.
Tony Pulis dont realise that just being big and physical is not enough against quality teams like Valencia. The one player in his Stoke squad who has the ability to open up teams like Valencia, is Fuller and he didnt play 1 minute, Joke ting.
I think with the form that Reading and Birmingham are in, that at least 1 of them can gain automatic promotion which would make it possible for both teams to be promoted. Southampton the team in 2nd place are out of form so Reading or Birmingham can over take them.
We have so many options with the young talents in England, I know Tappa has spoken to Sterling but I dont know his reaction. Morrison seems like the kind of person that would strongly consider putting on our jersey. Daniel Johnson is playing reserve team football so a call from the JFF would probably make his eyes light up and he was born in JA so he would probably say yes aswell. Chamerlain would say no in my opinion because he is already being tipped for the England squad this summer but its worth trying and I dont know Redmonds character but if he called up King with him he would give it some serious thought but we cant wait too long we need to take action now. Raheem Sterling and Daniel Johnson should be easy recruits. They were born in JA so if we cant recruit them what f**king chance do we have with anyone else. JFF GET TINGS MOVING NOW !
Ric, we have the potential to be more than just the dominant english speaking black team. We have the potential to be the dominant black team full stop. If things are handled correctly we can go to Brazil 2014 with a real chance of winnning it, but we must add to the player pool. We have alot of good quialities in our team but we are lacking some things also which must be addressed. With McAnuff, Hoilett, McGugan, Simpson, Beckford and a good centre back in our squad along with what we already have, there is no reason why we couldnt beat any team in the world. I dont just believe that, I know that.
Chance of winning what in 2014? We don't even have one world class defender in our pool ( born in yard or abroad).
McAnuff is a 30 year old Championship level baller. Beckford is a 28 year old Championship level footballer. McGugan we will have to wait and see how he develops, but he aint any world class player as yet.
. I am sure Mexico & the USA will be most appreciative.
