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Exactly what you have been harping on about LINC's. I guess I shouldn't put the blame squarely on Marshall. Did Tappa or any one of the coaching staff really sit down and talk to these players before including them?
Exactly what you have been harping on about LINC's. I guess I shouldn't put the blame squarely on Marshall. Did Tappa or any one of the coaching staff really sit down and talk to these players before including them?
If the JFF hasn't been communicating with its players who it potentially had penciled in for inclusion in the GC squad, gross ineptitude and unprofessionalism on the JFF's part.
Generally, when players are no longer going to make themselves available for national selection, they officially announce their retirement from international football.
As Andy 'Bomber' William has done; no ambiquity there, he's done, DON'T CALL ME UP is the clear message.
Neither Marshall or Goodison have announced their retirement but, it looks to me, like neither one wanted to come to this Gold Cup tournament and sit on the bench as back-up to other starters.
In either event, both their international careers should now be well and truly over and Jamaica never calls either of them up again to represent the country.
Misquotes, mis-communications, or faulty assumptions?
(A) Was Tyone Marshall talking about the 2011 Gold Cup?
(B) Did Whitmore and/or the JFF folks get a definite answer from Marshall before the list was submitted?
(C) Was the conversation about the month long Gold Cup or the World Cup Qualifiers that does not require missing that much time from a player's club?
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But now, it appears, the North American leagues are ready to fill the Boyz' talent pool with their own surplus. Currently, at least 12 Jamaican-born players, or those who have represented the country before, play in MLS.
Some would normally be considered past the age to earn a call-up to the Jamaica squad or have retired from international football, such as Tyrone Marshall or Andy Williams. But Whitmore has already declared he has not ruled out anyone for the qualifiers, which begin next year.
Exactly what you have been harping on about LINC's. I guess I shouldn't put the blame squarely on Marshall. Did Tappa or any one of the coaching staff really sit down and talk to these players before including them?
If the JFF hasn't been communicating with its players who it potentially had penciled in for inclusion in the GC squad, gross ineptitude and unprofessionalism on the JFF's part.
Generally, when players are no longer going to make themselves available for national selection, they officially announce their retirement from international football.
As Andy 'Bomber' William has done; no ambiquity there, he's done, DON'T CALL ME UP is the clear message.
Neither Marshall or Goodison have announced their retirement but, it looks to me, like neither one wanted to come to this Gold Cup tournament and sit on the bench as back-up to other starters.
In either event, both their international careers should now be well and truly over and Jamaica never calls either of them up again to represent the country.
Usually refusal come not as a result of players not wanting to go, but most likely it is the vibe they are getting from their clubs. Jamaica should threaten to have FIFA forfeit any point earn by the club teams of called players if those players participate in any game for their club during the duration of the GC. While one would like to be considerate of an old horse like Marshall, a marker must be set by the JFF that this kind of behaviour will not be acceptable without consequence. If this is not cut in the bud soon you will have the younger players deciding in which game they will render their service.
Exactly what you have been harping on about LINC's. I guess I shouldn't put the blame squarely on Marshall. Did Tappa or any one of the coaching staff really sit down and talk to these players before including them?
If the JFF hasn't been communicating with its players who it potentially had penciled in for inclusion in the GC squad, gross ineptitude and unprofessionalism on the JFF's part.
Generally, when players are no longer going to make themselves available for national selection, they officially announce their retirement from international football.
As Andy 'Bomber' William has done; no ambiquity there, he's done, DON'T CALL ME UP is the clear message.
Neither Marshall or Goodison have announced their retirement but, it looks to me, like neither one wanted to come to this Gold Cup tournament and sit on the bench as back-up to other starters.
In either event, both their international careers should now be well and truly over and Jamaica never calls either of them up again to represent the country.
Usually refusal come not as a result of players not wanting to go, but most likely it is the vibe they are getting from their clubs. Jamaica should threaten to have FIFA forfeit any point earn by the club teams of called players if those players participate in any game for their club during the duration of the GC. While one would like to be considerate of an old horse like Marshall, a marker must be set by the JFF that this kind of behaviour will not be acceptable without consequence. If this is not cut in the bud soon you will have the younger players deciding in which game they will render their service.
Excellent suggestion, Pelepappa.
If you remember, just a few posts ago, I raised the spector of just this very thing happening.
The English managers are much more forthright and honest about their feelings of having their players represent Jamaica and other Caribbean national teams...they don't like it and they come out and say so...Burrell is quick to take on the Europeans when they don''t comply with the FIFA rules on release fo players.
The MLS coaches are being much sneakier; they are influencing the players behind the scene and having the players make the declaration; that way FIFA cannot sanction the clubs as no one can force a player to play if he doesn't want to.
It shows how much the USA fears Jamaica in this GC tournament but to be truthful...
Tyrone Marshall was probably not going to start for Jamaica in this GC so his betrayal is really no great loss except...
He cannot be replaced in the squad so the squad is depleted by one less player that could and should be there.
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Tappa knew that Cummings was a not a secure pick. For christ sake the man is injured. The MLS coaches are not any worst than the English coaches. How many MLS players are in the squad??? Most got released.
Somehow we forget that Marshall has just and is currently trying to seal a place in Colorado team. He realise if he is not there when they need him in this injury crisis he will be released in the summer and have to go and look another team. Just like how Bibi and Gordon in Germany are in between teams and know that the Gold Cup will not be good for them, so too Marshall. Granny has served his time and hold in on for a few extra years, a few extra bucks.
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Depleted Boyz - Marshall, Cummings cut from Gold Cup squad
Saturday, June 04, 2011
TORRANCE, California — Not one, but two more players have been dropped from the Reggae Boyz roster, a mere three days ahead of their 2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup Tournament opener against Grenada at the Home Depot Center.
Veteran utility player Tyrone Marshall and his Colorado Rapids teammate, striker Omar Cummings have been released, a day after they were scheduled to join up with the other members of the Reggae Boyz squad here in Los Angeles.
The Reggae Boyz go through their morning practice session at the Home Depot Center yesterday. (Photo: Ian Burnett)
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Team administrator Howard McIntosh confirmed to the Observer last evening that the 36-year-old Marshall had been "released", while regarding Cummings, all he would say was that he was "injured". Preferring to focus on the 20 players here, McIntosh did not offer any explanation.
However, it is understood that Marshall, who six months ago returned to Colorado where he began his professional career after being drafted in the first round (11th overall) of the 1998 MLS College draft, had asked for more time away from the national team.
For Cummings, it appears that he has not sufficiently recovered from a grade two (partial torn ligament) of his right ankle. He was selected to the 23-man roster, but was excluded from the nine-day training camp in Brazil to aid his recovery process.
The latest withdrawals have further reduced the squad to 20 members, following the earlier release of 38-year-old defender Ian 'Pepe' Goodison, who failed to turn up for the mandatory training camp.
It is unclear if a replacement will be requested for Cummings.
Meanwhile, the Reggae Boyz arrived here at their Marriot Hotel in Torrance, California on Thursday evening, after about 30 hours of travel from Porto Feliz in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
The Boyz were joined by goalkeeper Donovan Ricketts, defenders Jermaine Taylor and Dicoy Williams, and midfielder Jevaughn Watson.
They had a training session on field five (artificial surface) at Home Depot Center yesterday morning, and were slated for an evening session at the same venue, but on a grass surface, three hours ahead of an MLS game between the LA Galaxy and DC United.
The 16 players who travelled from Brazil looked energetic in the scrimmage exercises, but team medic Dr Carlton Fraser wants to examine their reaction over the next couple of days to analyse the extent of trauma associated with their travels.
A 5:00 pm (7:00 pm Jamaica time) practice session is slated for today after a CONCACAF team meeting and a CONCACAF/FIFA Referee Instructors meeting earlier in the afternoon.
Their opening game against Grenada is slated for 6:00 pm (8:00 pm Jamaica time) on Monday.
I would not be surprised if they don't call a replacement for Cummings. They seem to have limited their group of players, even local ones. Forget the professionals, because they can't or won't come at this late juncture. The JFF and Tappa are starting to emit rather strong odours.
I would not be surprised if they don't call a replacement for Cummings. They seem to have limited their group of players, even local ones. Forget the professionals, because they can't or won't come at this late juncture. The JFF and Tappa are starting to emit rather strong odours.
I too would be very surprised if the slot was filled but that leaves Jamaica very thin at the back escpecially with Phillips and his usual hamstring/groin issues....but I do expect Jamaica to advance along with Honduras but that is where it gets tricky.
I have a feeling we will be continuing with this "overlapping" wingback stuff.....and frankly.....Eric Vernan is not the player for it.....neither is Adrian Reid. Any half decent team will burn us down the right flank.
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I would not be surprised if they don't call a replacement for Cummings. They seem to have limited their group of players, even local ones. Forget the professionals, because they can't or won't come at this late juncture. The JFF and Tappa are starting to emit rather strong odours.
Especially those who could start for us Distrib., being overlooked and then ask to fill in may not go over well; maybe BIBI would come since his contractural siutation was settled.
If not the way it looks it could be MR. Man Morgan....
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"If Jamaica calls I will always be ready to represent my country," he said.
Marshall, however, did not anticipate the problems at Colorado.
"I didn't foresee what would happen with the injuries," he said.
At this stage of his long professional career, Marshall explained, with his club compensation tied to appearances and other incentives, he has had to answer Colorado's call.
"Whatever happens the club has to come first in terms of my contract," Marshall explained. " That was made clear.
"I spoke to the (Jamaica) team (officials) and they were understanding," he added.
It was not clear what role Marshall would play for the Reggae Boyz at the 2011 Gold Cup. Jamaica's squad, who arrived in California on Thursday, also includes central defenders Shavar Thomas, Adrian Reid, Jermaine Taylor and Dicoy Williams. Thomas, Taylor and Williams also play in MLS."
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If Jamaica can get in contact with the manager/physio at Tranmere they MAY be able to get an injury waiver for Goodison. He carried a serious ankle injury on April 18th
Whom ever we call to replace Cummings better be a young talent not any 33+ year old veteran.
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Francisco Clavo, a center defender who only last week finished his freshman year at San Jacinto College in Houston, practiced Friday with what could be Costa Rica's starting 11 in the Gold Cup. It is not known if Calvo will start against Cuba, but stayed on the field through the entire practice. Calvo replaced the injured Cristian Gamboa on the roster. Calvo is the only amateur on Lavolpe's squad.
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At this point, it makes no sense to have the replacement player fly out to LA. It is wiser to have him meet the team in Miami, on Monday afternoon before the team arrives.
If the team does well, it will remain on the east coast until the semifinals.
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“We have made some mistakes, but we have moved past that, so we don’t want to keep repeating ourselves, we have to put some things in place to ensure that we don’t make the same mistakes as in the last Gold Cup tournament,” added Whitmore, who advised the media that he would not be requesting of CONCACAF a replacement for Omar Cummings, who was released due to injury.
CARSON -- There's a lot of chatter that this team Jamaica has brought to the CONCACAF Gold Cup might be the best it's ever fielded, even better than the side that won a game at the 1998 World Cup in France.
Dane Richards doesn't want to hear it. He just wants to spur some more.
“All the talking, we can't pay attention to that,” the New York Red Bulls winger said on the eve of the Reggae Boyz's CONCACAF Gold Cup opener Monday at Home Depot Center. “We just got to go there and do the job and make the people keep talking positive stuff.”
They'll start their business in the region's nations championship against Caribbean rival Grenada, kicking off a Group B doubleheader at 6 p.m. Honduras, with a dozen players from last year's World Cup roster, faces Guatemala at 8. It's the only group-stage games in Southern California; the June 25 final is set for the Rose Bowl.
Jamaica, guided by former Reggae Boyz midfielder Theodore Whitmore, has big aspirations.
“Jamaica, we have special players,” said Donovan Ricketts, the Galaxy's goalkeeper. “We are blessed with people that are very quick, so hopefully we can utilize that in the tournament and see how it goes.”
What's special about this team?
“I don't know,” he replied. “We're just special people, man. We have a fighting spirit. As you see, it's a small country, and anything you put [in front of us], we Jamaicans, we can do it.
“We don't have snow in Jamaica, yet we do bobsled.”
NO CUMMINGS: The Reggae Boyz hope for some cool runnings of their own. They've long produced impressive talent, and this group sure looks special, or at least it did before three players dropped out last week. Gone are England-based defender Ian Goodison, the all-time Reggae Boyz leader with 113 caps, who failed to show up for camp; Colorado Rapids forward Omar Cummings, who hasn't played since suffering torn ankle ligaments in early May; and Rapids defender Tyrone Marshall, who begged off.
Cummings' absence, in particular, stings. He was pivotal in the Rapids' run to the MLS Cup title last November and had been in strong form with his national team.
“Oh, yi-yi, that's a huge loss,” Richards said. “We're aware of the fact that we need to step up, because Omar is a big loss, but we're ready for the job.”
The goal, Ricketts says, is to “win the tournament and to play the best brand of football you can possibly play,” but these goals historically have been too lofty for the Jamaicans, who prosper on their own turf -- they've won five Caribbean titles, including the last two and three of the last four -- but have underachieved on larger stages.
They've twice reached the Gold Cup final four, but not since 1998.
“Normally, a criticism of the players is that we perform well for our clubs, but when we step out on the field for our country, some performances are below par,” said Ricketts, CONCACAF's most experienced and one of its finest goalkeepers. “Hopefully, this tournament we can get it right.”
BIG GOALS: In their favor, he says, is that there are seven MLS players on the Reggae Boyz roster, with Sporting Kansas City defender Shavar Thomas, Houston Dynamo defender Jermaine Taylor and midfielder Je-Vaughn Watson, San Jose Earthquakes forward Ryan Johnson, and Toronto FC defender Dicoy Williams joining Richards and him. That they're in midseason form could be an advantage against teams whose players have just concluded their club seasons.
Success, according to Ricketts, would be “hopefully, we get to the final. If not, semifinal.”
Another five or six teams have reasonable aims to the same, including Honduras, but the expectation is a third straight U.S.-Mexico final.
That's talk Richards likes to hear.
“I'm loving it,” he said. “Everybody looking Mexico-U.S., so we're like underdogs trying to be on top. That just pumps us up more to play well.”
