Under the new system, the 6 teams in CONCACAF with the lowest FIFA ranking will playoff against each other to reduce the total number of CONCACAF teams to 32. Thos teams will then be drawn by lottery into 8 groups of 4 teams. The top two teams from each group advance to a second group stage with 4 groups of 4 teams. The top 2 teams from those groups advance to a final group stage with 2 groups of 4 teams.
The two group winners qualify for the World Cup. Depending on CONCACAF successfully lobbying for 4 World Cup slots, the runners-up in each group would also qualify. If the total number of World Cup slots is 3.5, the same as the last World Cup, the runners-up would play off against each other. The winner would automatically advance with the loser playing off against a team from another Confederation for the final slot.
So lets speculate... Mexico, Costa Rica, Jamaica and Honduras in one group. Next Group has USA, TnT, Salvador and another.
Maybe Jamaica would have stood a better chance with a 10 team round robin. Jamaica never has luck in a four team round robin or even when they are in a last chance saloon situation.
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Originally Posted By: jt
So lets speculate... Mexico, Costa Rica, Jamaica and Honduras in one group. Next Group has USA, TnT, Salvador and another.
Maybe Jamaica would have stood a better chance with a 10 team round robin. Jamaica never has luck in a four team round robin or even when they are in a last chance saloon situation.
I am hoping we get a fair draw next summer and no one from USA(whom are bidding for WC2018/22),kasey keller's eric wynalda's , john hark's , friedel's ,lalas etc get to select the Groups , we jamaicans have got a hard time from the americans in 2010 with chuck blazer fixing the schedule and keller match fixing the Groups , not that am anti american cause it would be good if the top 4 finishers in North american WCQ make up of 2 Anglophone countries , knowing the event will be stage in Brazil . IT would satisfy my heart desire to see Trinidad & Tobago knock out early because of Warner , in 2006 & 2010 they had groups that were suspicious and I think any nationality besides americans will do a fair draw , the americans are known to manipulate things .
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So how will the groups be drawn up? At what point will the 2010 qualifiers be meeting up in the same group? The last 32, the last 16 or the last 8? I don't like the idea of separate groups in the last stage it can create a lot of controversy...though I'm not a conspiracy theorist. What happens if Jamaica makes the last 8 and is put in a group with USA AND Mexico and the other group is much weaker? Put the last 8 together in a box and mek dem fight it out...no hiding from anybody and let the best 3 - hopefully 4 come through!!!
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What happens if Jamaica makes the last 8 and is put in a group with USA AND Mexico and the other group is much weaker?
I dont think USA will be included because they have jack warner in there hands ,they are spinning him , but u notice whatever Group Jamaica goes in it is consider a stronger Group . it is so unfortunate that CONCACAF is so currupt .
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So maybe we should start a petition or something. This cant be acceptable to most of the smaller nations meaning the panama's, cuba, haiti, canada, honduras, tnt's and jamaica's of the concacaf that are consistently just outside the three available qualifying spaces.
Do we have to accept what is passed down by concacaf??
Mexico, USA never have to worry.
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Originally Posted By: jt
So maybe we should start a petition or something. This cant be acceptable to most of the smaller nations meaning the panama's, cuba, haiti, canada, honduras, tnt's and jamaica's of the concacaf that are consistently just outside the three available qualifying spaces.
Do we have to accept what is passed down by concacaf??
Mexico, USA never have to worry.
JT the good thing is that in the final round 8 teams have a shot at 4 places , it is more evenly distributed ,when comparing to the hexagon Format which 6 are in the final round , this format takes 2 additional teams In the final Rnd. On the negative side of the equation Mexico and USA are almost likely not to meet unless one team fail to win there Group(Round 3 ) , I think teams like Jamaica & Canada will benefit from the 2 additional places If u wanna drop fifa a line an let them know , the world is waiting for a world cup draw done fairly especially in Concacaf ,and let someone do the draw from outside the confederation example UEFA/Caf that would be good.
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I disagree.. In the hex you had a chance to make it back in the competition.
In the two groups you can kill your chances after two games. Just like in the world cup early stages.
Besides playing more games will give the players more of a chance to get their game on. How will our semi professionals get to grips with professionals already seasoned on return from the european leagues. ( We are not just talking about Jamaica).
Even the European qualifiers is a system that teams have a return game. Their players play in busier leagues and still are expected to play all these games.
This I mention bcoz this does sound like a Mexican/USA decision surrounding them limiting games with/against the plebs/ minnows of football.
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Originally Posted By: jt
If the final two groups were a guarenteed 6 games ( home and away games) then the winners of the groups emerges then yes...
I believe the smaller nations need the competition, the challenge, the fitness, the experience, the revenue and the chance.
JT Yes each team in the final Round will have 6 games ,that's Home & Away , If we had a 12 teams final round like what Burrell was talking about we would have alot of uselees games between the lower 6-8 teams , The propose New Format is a Model to the world to eliminate useless games . The New Format is better for smaller teams like Grenada ,Barbados they wont get stretch out .
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8 teams in the final round is an improvement. But 2 groups? Nah sah! Like I said before let them all hack it out and no hiding....is it fair for one or two teams to be CONCACAF World Cup qualifiers having not played Mexico or USA in the last stage while another in the next group is forced to play Mexico and has no hope of that key road point? As Jt says with fewer games, each result counts plenty and this is a huge difference if on one side team A can get a draw at USA while team B in the next group has no hope of winning at Mexico. Is it right for USA and Mexico not to face one an other? Sometimes a team facing USA can hope for an Azteca hangover or Mexico getting a Columbus hangover and get a result, if they are separated you lose that clash of the titans and that potential break for a small team. One group of eight makes it even, everybody goes up against everybody 7 games home, 7 games away will tell the truth about who is best in the region and no excuses...each team makes more money than last time and 2 additional teams will make much more money than before.
Guys, when the qualifiers reach the final 32, it will be divided into 8 groups of 4 teams. Teams like the US, Mexico, Costa Rica and Honduras will placed in different group and wont have to face each other until the final 8 if they keep up their ranking in FIFA standings..Most likely the US won't be placed in the same group with Mexico unless one of them finish first and the other one finish second in his group in the semi-final round...
This new format has his advantages and disadvantages.
Advantages: We all agree that the bottom 6 in the CONCACAF ranking will always include teams like Anguila, Monserrat, Bahamas, Virgin Island, Belize, St. Lucia, Nicaragua, Domican Republic etc...The teams in the upper echelon of the CFU will Guarantee at least 6 games( Home and away)in the 8 groups format.In the old format, there was always the possibility of being eliminated very early without playing not even 3 games. I used to hate the two games elimination process. I just hate when the top 4 Dogs( Cuba, Haiti, Trinidad,Jamaica) of the caribbean have to face each other early in the qualifiers. I remember when Haiti tied Jamaica 1-1 in 2006 and lost 3-0 in Jamaica and their qualifiers were over after two games and had to wait for another 4 years.. Trinidad was very closed to elimination after losing 2-1 to Bermuda at home in 2008.I hated this format. The new format Guarantee more games to Jamaica, Cuba, Trinidad and team like Haiti since these teams will never be at the bottom of the Concacaf.
Disadvanges: The old final round gave teams more chance to qualify for the world cup since 5 teams had to play each other in a round-robing tournament. The new format divide the final teams into two groups of 4 where the top 2 finishers will automatically qualify and there won't be a concacaf champion since the top two finishers wont have to face each other. This use to be the old U-17 world cup qualification format
Well truehaitian. I would advocate changin the first section of the competition as they have done but I cant advocate for the last stage. Playing more games is helpful for the smaller teams and good practise also. And the possible money generated for the football associations by playing these games must not be taken lightly.
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Originally Posted By: jt
Playing more games is helpful for the smaller teams and good practise also.
final round The 2 top teams(1st in standings) in concacaf are likely to play 18 games for qualification(same amount as old hex format) , the 3rd place team 20 games for Qualification , and the 4th place team 22 games(2 more games than the old hex format) . This is depending if all teams starts in the 2nd round .
its a win/win situation for the 2 2nd place teams , the winner advance the 2nd place better prepares for the intercontinental playoff .Its a better deal JT .
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