greetings ites, glad fi know seh di I dem a hold firm inna di giddeon
all waa gwaan still state of emergency to some is like everyday living fi others
weh yuh tink di 'babylon' hatred come from?
a years now poor people a suffer certain treatment from 'babylon'
no surprize fi see a short term reduction in crime wid the brute force approach it wi deter nuff youth and mek dem lock it..... fi di time being
if we nuh have something constructive fi offer di 'converts' dem a guh revert
JFF not even know di powers weh dem have football is a tool weh mi can bet wi tek gun outa some a di youth dem hand dem tink is a cork the stadium ting alone if dem want governmenrt help den dem need fi mek di 'industry' sustainable if dem nuh know how fi do it den dem need fi step
this is a good prelude fi the academy argument still, but mi naw too hijack di thread
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Originally Posted By: Ric
Originally Posted By: alfinite
If its a police state to cut down the violence and nonsense I WELCOME IT! Its not even the older dons who're doing most of the killings its the kids and they know no mercy.
Alfinite, mi bredren
Where do you currently live, if you don't mind me asking ?
By your rules, living in Nazi Germany would be OK, unless you were a Jew, that is.
Living in Saddam Husssein's Iraq would be quite OK, unless you were a Kurd or supported any other political party but the Baath Party.
Under the same rules, living in North Korea ? No problem, mon
My point is, its easy to justify totalitarianism and military dictatorships from a distance, as long as you are not living under it or are one of the privileged who are not its victims.
Jamaicans are democratic people and would fight any attempt to militarise or turn Jamaica into any kind of dictatorship as an official policy.
You no see say dem vote down the extension of the state of emergency in Parliament ?
Find democratic ways to fight Jamaica's crime problem and you will have decents citizens support.
Jamaica's decent citizens will only have their democratic rights infringed upon in the fight against crime to a certain extent.
After that point is crossed, the Jamaican Government would have to fight them; that is the history of Jamaica.
Sorry for the late response, busy wedding season. I'm currently in NY.
Jamaicans are democratic people? Are you serious? I don't call a 2-party government democratic at all, at least in this case. That's just a smoke screen my friend. Same thing with the US, you have the Dems and the Refucricans, choose one. Ohhhhhhh I C the lesser of two evils huh? If Jamaicans want to change they have to lead and not be lead. But seems like the tipping point is already way passed it's lifespan that its now too late to do anything on their own so NOW MUST BE BREAST FED. BTW history always taught us that the common man has always been lead and each society always borrowed different elements from 'The Police State' in order to keep the population under control, heck you can even say the same thing about the BIBLE. Yes, the bible! The bible itself has many elements of a police state but you wouldn't want to believe that now would you? One thing is the scary tactic of The Lord Thy God. If you don't do what I believe you should then you're going to hell and burn. If that's not a form of a Police State I don't know what is and that is just plain hypocrisy on your part to dismiss one theory of the same concept but not the other.
But wait a minute there guys you're talking about taking the Vybez and Movados off the tv! Though I whole heartedly agree with you that's total contradiction on your behalf. That's a form of a Police State! Is it NOT?????
I hope you're not the same ones who saying well why they banned these guys from performing in Barbados, etc. Lets hope not.
Overwhelming public support for State of Emergency More than 60 per cent support Monday, July 26, 2010
AN RJR/TVJ Public opinion poll revealed overwhelming public support for the State of Emergency.
Polls conducted by Ian Boxill and Associates showed that 37.7 per cent of persons polled were in support of extending the State of Emergency to cover the entire island while 26 per cent of those polled wanted the State of Emergency extended to other parishes.
Eighteen per cent of those polled did want any change while 15 per cent said they opposed the state of emergency.
On May 23 Prime Minster Bruce Golding declared a state of emergency after armed thugs shot and killed two police officers, wounded six others, torched police stations burning at least two to the ground as they attempted to prevent the security forces from arresting former Tivoli Gardens strongman, Christopher 'Dudus' Coke.
The attacks led to a three-day police/military assault on the fortified community which resulted in the deaths of 73 civilians and a Jamaica Defense Force soldier.
The polls claims to be the first to test voter reaction to the Prime Minister’s declaration in parliament on May 11, that he sanctioned the hiring of the American law firm Manatt Phelps and Phillips.
The poll canvassed public opinion on a number of issues including crime, the role of pastors in turning in wanted persons, campaign financing, the Coke extradition saga, the Manatt Phelps and Phillips affair, and the party standings among other crucial national issues.
Field work for the poll was conducted from July 17 to 21. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 per cent.
If its a police state to cut down the violence and nonsense I WELCOME IT! Its not even the older dons who're doing most of the killings its the kids and they know no mercy.
Alfinite, mi bredren
Where do you currently live, if you don't mind me asking ?
By your rules, living in Nazi Germany would be OK, unless you were a Jew, that is.
Living in Saddam Husssein's Iraq would be quite OK, unless you were a Kurd or supported any other political party but the Baath Party.
Under the same rules, living in North Korea ? No problem, mon
My point is, its easy to justify totalitarianism and military dictatorships from a distance, as long as you are not living under it or are one of the privileged who are not its victims.
Jamaicans are democratic people and would fight any attempt to militarise or turn Jamaica into any kind of dictatorship as an official policy.
You no see say dem vote down the extension of the state of emergency in Parliament ?
Find democratic ways to fight Jamaica's crime problem and you will have decents citizens support.
Jamaica's decent citizens will only have their democratic rights infringed upon in the fight against crime to a certain extent.
After that point is crossed, the Jamaican Government would have to fight them; that is the history of Jamaica.
Sorry for the late response, busy wedding season. I'm currently in NY.
Jamaicans are democratic people? Are you serious? I don't call a 2-party government democratic at all, at least in this case. That's just a smoke screen my friend. Same thing with the US, you have the Dems and the Refucricans, choose one. Ohhhhhhh I C the lesser of two evils huh? If Jamaicans want to change they have to lead and not be lead. But seems like the tipping point is already way passed it's lifespan that its now too late to do anything on their own so NOW MUST BE BREAST FED. BTW history always taught us that the common man has always been lead and each society always borrowed different elements from 'The Police State' in order to keep the population under control, heck you can even say the same thing about the BIBLE. Yes, the bible! The bible itself has many elements of a police state but you wouldn't want to believe that now would you? One thing is the scary tactic of The Lord Thy God. If you don't do what I believe you should then you're going to hell and burn. If that's not a form of a Police State I don't know what is and that is just plain hypocrisy on your part to dismiss one theory of the same concept but not the other.
But wait a minute there guys you're talking about taking the Vybez and Movados off the tv! Though I whole heartedly agree with you that's total contradiction on your behalf. That's a form of a Police State! Is it NOT?????
I hope you're not the same ones who saying well why they banned these guys from performing in Barbados, etc. Lets hope not.
Alfinite, not saying I agree with you on the police state, but in one post you cut through a lot of bias, folkloric utterances, hypocrisies and inconsistencies. We can sit here till kingdom comes throwing up fancy one liners and folkloric utterances and don't move one inch towards a better society. To move the society forward you affi cut through those barriers and get to the meat of the matter.
The Bible is not inconsistent, it proclaimed itself undemocratic. The only notion of democracy I ever saw in the Bible is the free will of man to believe it or not.
It was the first time most of Ja most hardened criminal were so scared. They did not expect the police/military to use so much force in the dudus fraca. however their expectations have changed accordingly and this may infleunece their future battles with the security forces.
The criminals for the first time were staying far from illegal activities. to me however this may change if they realise that the state of emergency would be for a prolonged period.
I must say that it was working. I did not hear any cries of police abuse on the ground (i am not talking bout the expectation of police abuses). In Tivoli however a nuff voilations gwaan by the military. A nuff things dem gwan wid. But thats expected. Di man dem a model wid gun in a di view of the air survelance. weh dem did expect?
In all i support a state of emergency
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