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#158549 - 07/16/10 10:55 AM
Is Jamaica Now a Police State ????
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youngballa
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everytime i visit the observer all i see is military manning the streets and a state of emergency being imposed. Seems like this Dudus thing set the JDF loose in the streets no more freedom to walk about without the Army searching and imposing martial on the people , even non criminals.
Will this every End ?
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#158576 - 07/16/10 03:13 PM
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them getting them ready for the usa invasion.. lol
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#158579 - 07/16/10 03:56 PM
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When was JA., not a police state, Uncle Sam a police state tuh.
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#158594 - 07/17/10 12:22 AM
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Price for 'Badmantimedun' time.
Military for all Jamaicans upon leaving high schools.
Demystify guns, look for talent, help instill discipline and so on.
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#158606 - 07/17/10 11:31 AM
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When was JA., not a police state, Uncle Sam a police state tuh.
The military not in the streets here yet atleast not in NY.
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#158607 - 07/17/10 12:17 PM
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When was JA., not a police state, Uncle Sam a police state tuh. The military not in the streets here yet atleast not in NY.
Have you been to Penn Station or Grand Central lately...
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#158662 - 07/19/10 08:34 AM
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If its a police state to cut down the violence and nonsense I WELCOME IT! Its not even the older dons who're doing most of the killings its the kids and they know no mercy.
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#158664 - 07/19/10 09:18 AM
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Alfinite you dont know what you are saying, The solution to violence is not a police state brother.
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#158666 - 07/19/10 11:23 AM
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You shuold not be talking like that affinite, guns dont change people, reforming of ones thinking is the solution, if guns and babylon was the answer then we would have heaven here on earth.
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#158682 - 07/20/10 05:06 AM
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Marklon and Youngballa. Tell me, what is the solution? Don't give me that Obama 'lets change the world you know what' just give me hard details. I don't see any. Look at Cuba, we don't know the real crime rate there, however if you look at how that country is governed with a more militaristic approach you'll definitely have low crime. And look at North Korea, how about Iraq...when Saddam was in power which group dare to cross that guy? Tell me. I rather govern with a stick than preach this 'change the world' nonsense that doesn't work'. Use your approach and let me know the ratio on how many you have converted. Use my approach and I can guarantee a higher success rate.
People just don't understand, along with beef patties, Bob Marley, Track & Field, Reggae, Ackie & Saltfish and Dance you can now add KILLING which is now a culture in Jamaica. Yes, A CULTURE!!! Thats a FACT not an opinion. You cannot change a culture that easily with JUST the 'take care of the children' business. You must rule with an iron fist because CONSEQUENCE MATTERS and people including kids think twice when it comes to CONSEQUENCE.
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#158688 - 07/20/10 06:41 AM
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Yes, A CULTURE!!! Thats a FACT not an opinion. You cannot change a culture that easily with JUST the 'take care of the children' business. You must rule with an iron fist because CONSEQUENCE MATTERS and people including kids think twice when it comes to CONSEQUENCE.
.....so you are going to use the GUNS to change the "Killing CULTURE"? Brilliant!!!!
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#158695 - 07/20/10 09:13 AM
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youngballa
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.....so you are going to use the GUNS to change the "Killing CULTURE"? Brilliant!!!!
SMH i a wonder the same thing, They(gunmen) will only fight back. Police state does not stop crime , it causes civil war. especially in a country with so many illegal high powered weapons. Culture can be changed over time through education . no amount of policing will do the trick.Not our JDF who are corrupt even more than the gunmen. We cannot build a fear based society that strips people of freedom! that is no better than the one with crime by Gunmen. Its still fear the people living in. oppression by Govt is no better than oppression from gunmen. . Weed out the dutty politician dem who bring in the guns and create garrisons. nuff Ghetto youth never left Kingston i dont know where down town we have a gun factory so they must be coming in from somewhere.
The glorified Gun culture is put on the screen for the youths to see. The biggest celebrities are criminals who with money, they are the ones the youths look up to . Give them new heroes and stop promoting Kartels and Movados on TV . Show them the best of Jamaica and they will want to emulate that . If we keep feeding them the negatives then they will live the negative.
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#158762 - 07/22/10 11:13 AM
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If its a police state to cut down the violence and nonsense I WELCOME IT! Its not even the older dons who're doing most of the killings its the kids and they know no mercy.
Alfinite, mi bredren
Where do you currently live, if you don't mind me asking ?
By your rules, living in Nazi Germany would be OK, unless you were a Jew, that is.
Living in Saddam Husssein's Iraq would be quite OK, unless you were a Kurd or supported any other political party but the Baath Party.
Under the same rules, living in North Korea ? No problem, mon 
My point is, its easy to justify totalitarianism and military dictatorships from a distance, as long as you are not living under it or are one of the privileged who are not its victims.
Jamaicans are democratic people and would fight any attempt to militarise or turn Jamaica into any kind of dictatorship as an official policy.
You no see say dem vote down the extension of the state of emergency in Parliament ?
Find democratic ways to fight Jamaica's crime problem and you will have decents citizens support.
Jamaica's decent citizens will only have their democratic rights infringed upon in the fight against crime to a certain extent.
After that point is crossed, the Jamaican Government would have to fight them; that is the history of Jamaica.
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#158769 - 07/22/10 12:26 PM
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The notion that Jamaica is a police state is idiotic to begin with....
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#158780 - 07/22/10 05:10 PM
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Jray : do you know what a police state is, it can be openly or suttley done. I dont even hold the word democracy in high regard, and i have good reason not to. Moses was a dictator, what way was he a dictator?. The Hon. Marcus Mosiah Garvey said that the Black Man because of the condition that he was put in during slavery, has to be placed in a certain enviroment under the strickest of condition in order to pull him out of the condition that he is in. There has to be love in the law, it has to be applied in such a way that people have an appreciation and love for the law, and that is why your children will rebel against the law, you cant be draconian, Jesus said he did not come to change the law that Moses laid down, but to fulfill the law.
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#158781 - 07/22/10 05:17 PM
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In order for you to administer the law you have to have a certain spirit, you can not be on the same beast level and talking about administering the law, stoning people or shooting them. And any body on the forum that think gun's, mace, sticks are going to change our people you need to lay off the crack pipe i will prove my point of October 16, 1995 concerning The Million Man March.
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#158783 - 07/22/10 06:11 PM
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In order for you to administer the law you have to have a certain spirit, you can not be on the same beast level and talking about administering the law, stoning people or shooting them. And any body on the forum that think gun's, mace, sticks are going to change our people you need to lay off the crack pipe i will prove my point of October 16, 1995 concerning The Million Man March.
Bredren
I only have one thing to add to what u've said here; its not just black people who a feel this tribulation.
Every single race on earth right now across the globe have its undertrod and oppressed and you can believe me when mi say, in Britain, the Jamaican and Irish population have a bond than no one can break and you don't want no further distinction of black and white than that as far as racial distinction is concerned.
Marcus words reach and touch nuff peeps my yute; its the spirit of the human that either bonds or divides, not the colour of the skin.
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#158797 - 07/23/10 12:58 AM
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I'm going to make a simple wager: I bet u all the man dem who are opposed to the state of emergency reside outside Jamaica.
Why would I make such a wager? Because mi know mi can't lose.
No one living in Jamaica with his head screwed on properly would be opposed to the measures being take to reduce an astronomical crime rate.
Only foreigners masquerading as Jamaicans, who live in Toronto, Paris, London and New York would be opposed.
If unno eva had any loved one who was victimized by these vicious criminals unno would be singing a different tune.
Lef the security forces alone mek dem do dem job!
Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary measures, unno neva hear that?
If the state of emergency needs to be in force from now till next neva, and a single life is saved as a result, so be it.
Jray is correct that the notion of JA being a police state is idiotic. If it was, crime would be the least of our problems.
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#158816 - 07/23/10 10:56 AM
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so are you saying all the people who are victims of the state of emergency and curfews want these harse measures bcoz they know it is necessary??
When you start the wager that says I bet all the man dem who are not opposed to the state of emergency reside uptown.. then mi will bet, coz likewise mi know mi cant lose.
Carver, crime is the least of our problems. But as usual we wont realise till the last hour.
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#158820 - 07/23/10 12:13 PM
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in Britain, the Jamaican and Irish population have a bond than no one can break and you don't want no further distinction of black and white than that as far as racial distinction is concerned.
Don't mean to hijack this thread....
Elaborate on this a bit Ric, please.
How ironic to read this.
Not surprised one bit.
I've had nothing but positive a relationshp witht the
Irish, friends and professional relationships to a person.
Yet I know many who will swear to the exact opposite
experience with the Irish that they meet.
to the extent that we can generalize....
The sister that got fired reom USDA has an incredible personal
story re race relations.
Race is such a great tool to keep the oppressed at each other's throat.
Edited by rasputin (07/23/10 12:14 PM)
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