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#151331 - 03/14/10 01:45 PM
Barbados shuts out dancehall
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Barbados shuts out dancehall
Published: Sunday | March 14, 2010
A BARBADOS minister of government has moved to shut out toxic Jamaican dancehall music from his country.
Ronald Jones, the minister of education and human resource development, said the heavy diet of dancehall artistes performing in Barbados is an overkill and doing more harm than good.
"Even though we share the same Caribbean space, it does not mean we have to welcome everybody. Vybz Kartel and Mavado can stay in Jamaica," Jones said.
His statement came a day after the country's police commissioner denied the notorious Jamaican artistes permission to perform in the Caribbean nation.
"As a country, we must say enough is enough," the Barbados Nation quoted the minister as having said.
"This is Barbados. It must not go down the path of some other Caribbean societies. If reaching First-World status means we have to embrace all and sundry, then let us keep the status that we have," Jones added, according to the Nation.
The education minister said there was a linkage between dancehall music and some of the increasingly aggressive behaviour exhibited by young people in Barbados.
"Barbados is becoming loud, and some of our people are becoming uncaring, uncharitable. There are places in the Caribbean that they don't want Barbadians to come anymore. There are planes in the Caribbean that don't want to transport Barbadians to and from here. What is that saying?
"It is saying that we are loud and aggressive, but it is part and parcel of the diet that we are being fed as a people and as a nation. People like the music, so be it. But we don't need the transplantation of all the negativity that comes around that genre of music," Jones said.
Grange responds
Olivia Grange, minister of youth, sports and culture, responding to this latest saga in dancehall, said: "I am concerned and I have expressed concern about the content in some dancehall songs. I believe strongly in freedom of expression, but that comes with great responsibility. We can do without some of the lyrics, not only in dancehall recordings, but soca and hip hop too, and that is why we took steps to clean up the airwaves. This is an ongoing process."
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20100314/lead/news1.html
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#151333 - 03/14/10 01:50 PM
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#151366 - 03/15/10 10:36 AM
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Will they shut out the US rappers too?
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#151370 - 03/15/10 02:34 PM
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Respect wah!?!?!? Is fool dem tek wi fah ova deh...I work with a dancehall act and I've never felt welcome in Bim...They just have a problem with wi and it nuh have nutten fi do with Vado or Kartel!!
As a matter of fact dem fi guh weh 2, don't really need em anyway!
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#151371 - 03/15/10 04:17 PM
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D man dem talk di truth and it hurt unnu. Mi a run a country, mi wld not want no dancehall music there either period. Yeah the good mus suffa for di bad. Good move barbados
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#151379 - 03/15/10 05:18 PM
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It certainly does not hurt me nor any other dancehall artist for that matter! They have always been rude and disrispectful...All genres have it's fair share of undisireble representation, but now they have a reason to try to justify holding an entire art form @ ransom....
I've been to Barbados on over 6 occasions, they have even tried to publicly embarrass me @ Grantley Adams Intl airport. I'm yet to even come across that sort of treatment in Europe. My knowledge of these people is quite extensive, this govt official is a jackass and has absolutely no knowledge of our brand of music on a whole...You sir, apparently can be put in the same category!
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#151380 - 03/15/10 05:23 PM
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Bajans are full of shit..I am coming from a whole diff perspecttive infact I do not like the two djs mentioned or dancehall per say. Don't badmouth Jamaica and then try to sell me Jamaica - if you know what I mean.
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#151384 - 03/15/10 05:50 PM
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Dont think Bajans are picking on us cause they have banned or fined raunchy Rap acts there too, cant think of a name ya now.
"Samtheman", how can you cuss the bajan Gov't for taking a stand in their own Country (House). a fi dem House u must play by their Rules and them pay di Bills.
I man grow up as a fan a Dancehall. use to be in every "hole in the wall" session back in the Day but right now too much chat bout killing, maming and Murdering. Dont think some of us realize how much an influence ja has on these smaller Caribbean Islands, Trust me when i tell you they imitate every single thing that we do. Real talk.
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#151385 - 03/15/10 06:09 PM
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Fire man, life is a cycle and no matter what we hear on the airwaves now it has already been said, at least these guys now incorporate a lot more word play and clever lyrics...I just want the massive to understand that no matter if these 2 in question were singing about daisies and picnics the Bajans would still have it out for us cause is just suh dem stay...
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#151386 - 03/15/10 06:53 PM
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Neva been to Barbados but my Mom, Sis and Friends have been there and i neva got any bad feed back from them. Not saying you or others didn't have a bad experience.
To be honest bredren i see where u coming from. Growing up here in a mostly Caribbean community here NY i've herd it all. from personal experience there is a some negative vibes towards JA not only from the Bajans but all the other islands.
My ting is when ever visit somebodys home you have to respect the rules of their House. If the owner of the house say i dont want any Smoking in my House. would go ahead and light up a Splif or Cigar??? just a little history The Bajans are very British in dem ways hence their nickname "little Britain". So u done know.. the Bajan Govt now want jamaicans come ova deh an come bruk dem out. Low dem iya.
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#151388 - 03/15/10 07:14 PM
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I support the Barbados move myself unless these artists start hurting financially they will not clean up their music. We all see how the music polarise people in Jamaica well Barbados is trying to stop that from happening on their Island. Live with it people it is their rights and they are a very conservative group people so you of to understand. Watch it is going to spread. Reggae should be positive ites and everyone around the world love positive reggae music but you have some artist is killing the vibes.
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#151414 - 03/16/10 08:18 AM
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just a little history The Bajans are very British in dem ways hence their nickname "little Britain". So u done know.. the Bajan Govt now want jamaicans come ova deh an come bruk dem out. Low dem iya.
oh the irony...
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#151417 - 03/16/10 09:07 AM
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I support the Barbados move myself unless these artists start hurting financially they will not clean up their music. We all see how the music polarise people in Jamaica well Barbados is trying to stop that from happening on their Island. Live with it people it is their rights and they are a very conservative group people so you of to understand. Watch it is going to spread. Reggae should be positive ites and everyone around the world love positive reggae music but you have some artist is killing the vibes.
Carter c'mon man do better than that, you know what polarizes the country runs far deeper than a few djays so-called caustic verbal influence! It's the poverty and lack of education that leads to instances of massive social desegregation, that is the real problem facing our island...
I grew up quote and quote uptown, we had the wherewithal to decipher between reality and art, I attended both downtown sessions as well as uptown parties coming up and neither me nor my friends were @ odds when it came to so called bad influences coming from our beloved music...Man know right from wrong Rasta, especially when one is afforded a proper education and strong family values...So dis eediat MAAMA man blaming our music for boisterous, senseless Bajans just not going to fly with me..That's all!
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#151418 - 03/16/10 09:19 AM
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It certainly does not hurt me nor any other dancehall artist for that matter! They have always been rude and disrispectful...All genres have it's fair share of undisireble representation, but now they have a reason to try to justify holding an entire art form @ ransom....
I've been to Barbados on over 6 occasions, they have even tried to publicly embarrass me @ Grantley Adams Intl airport. I'm yet to even come across that sort of treatment in Europe. My knowledge of these people is quite extensive, this govt official is a jackass and has absolutely no knowledge of our brand of music on a whole...You sir, apparently can be put in the same category!
My yute go s_ck yu.... Yu know what mi nah even go deh so. Dancehall music has been perpetuating a mentality that has helped to make our people behaviour and outlook on life worst.
Hot head yu a talk bout dis and that. Yu r_ass live yah. Yu kno what a gwaan yah pon the streets. Yu live amongst the people and see the behaviour thats now being accepted as the norm. Rude bwoy gwaan mek yu money and stuck yu head inna di sand
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#151419 - 03/16/10 09:43 AM
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It certainly does not hurt me nor any other dancehall artist for that matter! They have always been rude and disrispectful...All genres have it's fair share of undisireble representation, but now they have a reason to try to justify holding an entire art form @ ransom....
I've been to Barbados on over 6 occasions, they have even tried to publicly embarrass me @ Grantley Adams Intl airport. I'm yet to even come across that sort of treatment in Europe. My knowledge of these people is quite extensive, this govt official is a jackass and has absolutely no knowledge of our brand of music on a whole...You sir, apparently can be put in the same category! My yute go s_ck yu.... Yu know what mi nah even go deh so. Dancehall music has been perpetuating a mentality that has helped to make our people behaviour and outlook on life worst. Hot head yu a talk bout dis and that. Yu r_ass live yah. Yu kno what a gwaan yah pon the streets. Yu live amongst the people and see the behaviour thats now being accepted as the norm. Rude bwoy gwaan mek yu money and stuck yu head inna di sand
Ok, somebody please tell me that is not me this crack head talking about! Guh suck wah? Do you know me? Why would you bring the thread down like this? The best thing would be not addressing your post but you need to be put in your place! Music does not contribute to social decay you dunce head, guh check di politician dem b4 the artis' dem!!
Edited by SamtheMan!! (03/16/10 10:10 AM)
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#151429 - 03/16/10 01:57 PM
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Samtheman I agree with you on the poverty, lack of education point and the problem of not having a supportive family that ensure we all get an education, which helps us in making choices in life. That is where the problem starts a lot of the people have all those problems mention so they look up to these artist who come from the same background often times. These artist unconciously reinforce the peoples negative minds through their music and lyrics so that they are popular.
Zilla is on the streets everyday his words must be given some weight.
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#151437 - 03/16/10 02:40 PM
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Come thru Double B. Weh yu deh? Here is another hidden agenda for you to sniff out. The sensationalize headline seh 'Barbados shuts out dancehall', but all mi get from the article is one politician running up his mouth about wanting to see dancehall banned in support of the police who prevented 2 artists from performing. For what reasons were they prevented from performing? There could be many, but the reporter didn't even try fi figure out why so we could get a better perspective of what is taking place. This is where Double B comes in.
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#151504 - 03/17/10 02:18 PM
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It certainly does not hurt me nor any other dancehall artist for that matter! They have always been rude and disrispectful...All genres have it's fair share of undisireble representation, but now they have a reason to try to justify holding an entire art form @ ransom....
I've been to Barbados on over 6 occasions, they have even tried to publicly embarrass me @ Grantley Adams Intl airport. I'm yet to even come across that sort of treatment in Europe. My knowledge of these people is quite extensive, this govt official is a jackass and has absolutely no knowledge of our brand of music on a whole...You sir, apparently can be put in the same category! My yute go s_ck yu.... Yu know what mi nah even go deh so. Dancehall music has been perpetuating a mentality that has helped to make our people behaviour and outlook on life worst. Hot head yu a talk bout dis and that. Yu r_ass live yah. Yu kno what a gwaan yah pon the streets. Yu live amongst the people and see the behaviour thats now being accepted as the norm. Rude bwoy gwaan mek yu money and stuck yu head inna di sand Ok, somebody please tell me that is not me this crack head talking about! Guh suck wah? Do you know me? Why would you bring the thread down like this? The best thing would be not addressing your post but you need to be put in your place! Music does not contribute to social decay you dunce head, guh check di politician dem b4 the artis' dem!!
 Tek it easy gangter yute, tek it easy. So artis yu seh a di politician. Me seh a both of unnu. Both jus deh yah fi exploit di illiterate people so dem can live pon di hills and drive dem fancy car.
For me reggae music uplift the mind. Dancehall music (most of late)destroys the mind.
Thats y i support the teaching of garveyism in school. We need someting to regain the yutes dem mind faster than how dancehall music a destroy it.
Its not only dancehall, its all genres that weakens the mind.
So mr artis over to u, mi crack break finish.
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#151514 - 03/17/10 03:21 PM
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Zilla, ur previous post kinda seemed like an attack so that was why my rebuttal seemed kinda strong...I've been in the industry for years, came back from NYC in 2001 from audio school and an extensive stint @ sony music studios...I'm just sick of in my opinion Jamaicans turning their back on something that is so much apart of every one of us...Certainly it has it's problems and I have argued with people about the venom being spewed by our local protagonists of said art form as well...
But problems aside my dissatisfaction was hearing a Bajan politician blame our music for downtrends in their society...That just pissed me off, your points are well taken but there is still a lot of positive stuff out there as you may well be aware of, regulating what is heard by our youth I guess could be one step in the right direction...I just cannot put the blame solely on the artists...Dancehall 4 the most part is fun Zilla man, we are born with logic and the ability to reason, unfortunately that ability is lost on a lot of our countrymen
Edited by SamtheMan!! (03/17/10 03:24 PM)
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#151517 - 03/17/10 03:57 PM
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Sam no watch no face. U dun kno a so yaadi talk a ready. Im not blamimg dancehall artist for the state of the country. Our politician av deh award deh. What a lot of dancehall does is to introduce the people to a form of socialization that we can do without. The people and especiaaly the youths gets a lot of their information which determines their outlook on life from music. We kno seh certain things happen but dancehall glorifies it and that help to make that behaviour the norm. U eva deh pon spanish town rd a mornin and evening time wen the music a play inna di shotta bus dem weh run between waterhouse and town. Wen the see the ways these youths behave, u will understand what im talking about. Production and earning a honest and fair bread, is the farest thing from the mind of our people. Its about eating a food, (at the massive expense of the country and others), dress up evryday, showoff pon we "enemy" and frens, drive range rover.
Yu see there is no difference between the politicians, artists and most of the population. Its abt eating a food so mi can live big. f who it affects and the country.
The thing is yu expect the politicians and the artist base on their level of influence to help guide the people. But silly me, wht do i expect? The politicians and the dancehall artist dem neva fall from the sky
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