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Originally Posted By: jt
finally everyone now understands that Mr. Burrell has failed.
who fail JT ? number 1 all the people who are against Burrell are foreigners # 2 Thereggaeboyz.com have always been a anti-Burrellist site. I remember a poll came out 3 months ago about Burrell and it was 50/50 . Just cool JT , Burrell is more popular now than ever , thats the reason why this site dont get a Commericial spot on JFF website .
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This site has done just fine without JFF. Indeed it's here that foreigners come to learn about Jamaican players and Jamaican football. This site is in favour of Jamaican football and is a voice for Jamaicans, JFF's interests are JFF and many times that interest clashes with the voice of the majority of Jamaicans and it also clashes at times with the interests of Jamaican football as they have to back pedal to explain their errors and lack of transparency. This site really doesn't need Burrell and maybe he himself deep down knows that voices here are part of why Jamaica got jaded with him and his inaction on the failed road to Korea/Japan leading to his loss to amateur Boxhill. Burrell ain't no fool, he would never endorse a site that defends the Jamaicans' voices and lets those voices get out to many.
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PP & Redz let me tell you guys something , Boxhill did not seek re-election because of his CONSCIENCE he refused to run against Burrell because he knew what he did 'CONSCIENCE' thats what he said when ask why was'nt he running against Burrell . Burrell is not perfect but he is the best citizen Jamaica produce to manage football .
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As I mentioned I would not play any friendlies at the Office unless a profit of US$60,000 is guaranteed. The Captain can do BETTER and so can the fans.
PP & Redz let me tell you guys something , Boxhill did not seek re-election because of his CONSCIENCE he refused to run against Burrell because he knew what he did 'CONSCIENCE' thats what he said when ask why was'nt he running against Burrell . Burrell is not perfect but he is the best citizen Jamaica produce to manage football .
Well Metro let me tell you something. If I was Boxhill I would also refuse to run for re-election and if I was Burrell I would be doing exactly the same thing he is doing. Let mi correct that. If I was Burrell I would be tempted to do exactly the same thing he is doing, only my CONSCIENCE would have led me to quit first.
That might be the CONSCIENCE you are referring to when you talk about Boxhill.
If Burrell would quit while making a strong statement about what is needed for Jamaica football to move forward, I am confident that he must know, then he would establish himself as the best citizen Jamaica ever produce to manage football. What he is doing right now is stringing the programme along to stay in power. That is not what a 'best citizen' does. I said he should quit because I don't think he can make the statement that needs to be made and remain, but it will pave the way for the next president to implement the necessary reforms.
In your opinion metro, thereggaeboyz.com website is considered anti burrellist. It would not hesitate to assume that you have arrived at that conclusion only bcoz there is not much support for the direction Burrell has taken Jamaican Football.
There is also the Reggaeboyz Supporters Club website that voice their opinions. They dont alwas agree with Burrell. Do you consider them anti burrellist??
Your problem really metro is that you are confusing not agreeing with Burrell's decisions and management as being against Burrell as a person. Regardless of what reasons Boxhill didn't run against Burrell makes no difference. People want a progressive and forward thinking person to develop and carry Jamaican Football forward and catch up with the world. You confuse this as people want either Burrell or Boxhill. Even I could do what Burrell is doing now. You dont have to be skilled in making a financial loss.
With regards to the poll. If the poll says 50/50. That alone should make you brag less about our saviour Horace Burrell.
Does the JFF have a website????
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In your opinion metro, thereggaeboyz.com website is considered anti burrellist. It would not hesitate to assume that you have arrived at that conclusion only bcoz there is not much support for the direction Burrell has taken Jamaican Football.
There is also the Reggaeboyz Supporters Club website that voice their opinions. They dont alwas agree with Burrell. Do you consider them anti burrellist??
Your problem really metro is that you are confusing not agreeing with Burrell's decisions and management as being against Burrell as a person. Regardless of what reasons Boxhill didn't run against Burrell makes no difference. People want a progressive and forward thinking person to develop and carry Jamaican Football forward and catch up with the world. You confuse this as people want either Burrell or Boxhill. Even I could do what Burrell is doing now. You dont have to be skilled in making a financial loss.
With regards to the poll. If the poll says 50/50. That alone should make you brag less about our saviour Horace Burrell.
Does the JFF have a website????
JT much of the people on here do not support Burrell , when we compared RBSC nuff a di man dem ova deh support Burrell and they have reasons to . During the first Burrell era we qualified for the hexagon round twice , and went on to the World cup once , our U17 & U20 also qualified for world cup . Burrell was going to use GC Foster College as the JFF Academy site , during that time Jack Warner and Sepp Blatter came to JA for ground breaking at GC Foster . Ever since Boxhill who was Captain right hand man run against him , him changed the original plan from GC Foster and went to St elizabeth and it was all doom and no gloom .
While in power Boxhill got Millions of Dollars from GOJ and wasted every penny , he had a game with England and nyam off di money and now that England FA want their money ah poor Burrell they are Coming to .Another thing to talk about Boxhill , leading up to qualifiers he could not find games for our NT not even with cayman .
Another thing about Boxhill he sell our TV rights from 2006 - 2014 for 1 million USD and waisted every penny .
JT a dat you support ? Give me some reasons why you dont support Burrell ?
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Originally Posted By: metro
PP & Redz let me tell you guys something , Boxhill did not seek re-election because of his CONSCIENCE he refused to run against Burrell because he knew what he did 'CONSCIENCE' thats what he said when ask why was'nt he running against Burrell . Burrell is not perfect but he is the best citizen Jamaica produce to manage football .
Well Metro let me tell you something. If I was Boxhill I would also refuse to run for re-election and if I was Burrell I would be doing exactly the same thing he is doing. Let mi correct that. If I was Burrell I would be tempted to do exactly the same thing he is doing, only my CONSCIENCE would have led me to quit first.
That might be the CONSCIENCE you are referring to when you talk about Boxhill.
If Burrell would quit while making a strong statement about what is needed for Jamaica football to move forward, I am confident that he must know, then he would establish himself as the best citizen Jamaica ever produce to manage football. What he is doing right now is stringing the programme along to stay in power. That is not what a 'best citizen' does. I said he should quit because I don't think he can make the statement that needs to be made and remain, but it will pave the way for the next president to implement the necessary reforms.
PP u dont get it ! when Boxhill was leaving the federation it was bruk ! and he said he does not want to run for re-election because of conscience not burrell conscience his ! him mess up bad he wasted everything , sold everthing , he had no business manners and jamaica football was doomed b4 he got out .
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yeam mi see it earlier technic. Better than it was before but it looks like they have the same problem attracting people to games to make a profit as they do attracting people to the website...
Even if I suggest to metro to attach Burrell's Helicopter service, and bread delivery and the chicken shop to the website to attract more traffic on the website it still would be as popular as the other sites..
Why do you think Metro? Is it because all the other websites are anti burrellists??
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I never saw the JFF website quoted or mentioned on this forum therefore I thought mentioning the site was some taboo or something. I read the JFF site often. I like to compare was is being written in the press and discussed on forums like this one to the official position coming out of the JFF board meetings.
I kind of figure most people around here don't read that site much. What I have done recently is go bad and read declarations that came out of the Boxhill administration while he was president. I went back there because I kept hearing how Boxhill was some taxi-man, or whatever he was, who did not have a clue about running football and who did not put forth any plans for improving football in JA. I heard it so much that I started thinking that maybe I was crazy because my recollection was that Boxhill had a well thought out plan that I thought had potential. I also said at the time that he would not survive to see it through, just because of what was required. I knew there was going to be bad days and a populist, Burrell, would tek advantage to turn the fans against it. To Boxhill's credit he mostly stuck to his plans. At the end he tried some populist things to survive, but by then Burrell had done his thing to consolidate his power.
I would suggest that people visit the JFF site and read some of Boxhill's public statements and those of his administration and come back and tell me if the man didn't have a clue. By the way, the plan that Burrell is trying to implement now towards WC 2014 is the same plan Boxhill was implementing towards WC 2010, so if unnu think Boxhill was a big failure then unnu better stop Burrell before he starts. It is amazing how the words are practically the same for each plans.
Boxhill was implemented his plan because he saw it as a way to build a foundation for JA football. Burrell is doing it because the JFF is bruk. Give Burrell some money and see how quick he changes his plans to the populist ones he was following until now.
Where I faulted Boxhill is that as president he should have developed his political base as to overcome the obstructions placed in his way by Burrell. Being president is not just about having a plan, you have to have the wherewithal to implement that plan. There will always be a Burrell sniffing at his tail, whether internally as was the case or externally from some other federation. If you want to be president you have to be able to work around them for the benefit of your organization. If you can't do that then you can't be president.
Metro, if I remember correctly by the time election came around Burrell had pulled the rug from under Boxhill the same way he did the other day to the brother from the little Caribbean Island who wanted to run against him.
The conscience thing as I see it is that he would've had to scratch his plans and become a populist in order to challenge Burrell and he wasn't about to compromise his principles. A populist plan may have garnered him some votes, but it would not get the programme where it needed to be, as Burrell has proven. If you go back and read the JFF website at the time you would see Boxhill was constantly fighting to keep his plan afloat against increasing criticisms.
I admire Burrell's political acumen, unfortunately he uses it mainly to advance his own ambitions instead of Jamaica's. I have already pointed out that no Jamaica team have had a decent break in the draws of any tournament since Burrell became president, yet he and the JA media are constantly bragging about his position within FIFA/CONCACAF, and now unnu back to not having any games as he had promised. That might be a good thing, but again it is by accident.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't JA went on a 3 games stint after Burrell took over and then went on a dry spell thereafter? I remember them not been able to get games under Burrell as well. I don't really understand this notion that a team can't get games. It is more likely the team cannot afford to play, probably due to financial considerations, than the administration not be able to find a team to play against.
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Metro, if I remember correctly by the time election came around Burrell had pulled the rug from under Boxhill the same way he did the other day to the brother from the little Caribbean Island who wanted to run against him.
The conscience thing as I see it is that he would've had to scratch his plans and become a populist in order to challenge Burrell and he wasn't about to compromise his principles. A populist plan may have garnered him some votes, but it would not get the programme where it needed to be, as Burrell has proven. If you go back and read the JFF website at the time you would see Boxhill was constantly fighting to keep his plan afloat against increasing criticisms.
I admire Burrell's political acumen, unfortunately he uses it mainly to advance his own ambitions instead of Jamaica's. I have already pointed out that no Jamaica team have had a decent break in the draws of any tournament since Burrell became president, yet he and the JA media are constantly bragging about his position within FIFA/CONCACAF, and now unnu back to not having any games as he had promised. That might be a good thing, but again it is by accident.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't JA went on a 3 games stint after Burrell took over and then went on a dry spell thereafter? I remember them not been able to get games under Burrell as well. I don't really understand this notion that a team can't get games. It is more likely the team cannot afford to play, probably due to financial considerations, than the administration not be able to find a team to play against.
Pelepapa I believe you are talking about the guy from St Kitts , Burrell have more votes in Concacaf than him . I am glad you mention it because I did not read why he step down .
PP ...(2nd Paragraph)As I pointed out B4 , Boxhill plans were not prudent(well thought before action) , they were not popular either as the academy in ST Elizabeth which he started was stupid , Imagine PP you run against Burrell and won . Then the Academy site which FIFA President visited with the Confederation President and did the ground breaking and you change all that after you won to carry out your plans , is that good ?(Yes or No)
I dont agree with you on JA journalists bragging , they were just highlighting his achievement i.e being CFU VP etc , I agree with you that Jamaica have being getting some difficult draws but am hoping they get a break for World cup qualifying 2014 where the draw wont be done by Kasey Keller but hopefully someone from outside the Confederation(Concacaf).
You are wrong in your last Paragraph , Jamaica went on a 3 game stint when Tappa were interim Coach but when Simoes came we played Costa Rica and then went on Tour to Brazil (Which we played 10 teams ) and then we came back and played TnT Home & Away + Grenada then we went into qualifying . All that thanx to Burrell .
Edited by metro (03/12/1001:39 PM)
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As I mentioned I would not play any friendlies at the Office unless a profit of US$60,000 is guaranteed. The Captain can do BETTER and so can the fans.
How are you going to be guaranteed a $60,000 profit ? And no need use blaming the fans, its the sellers job to make the product attractive to the buyer.
Perhaps that’s why he keeps on failing Metro. He won’t listen to good ideas from some of the foreigners. Foreigners took him to the World Cup and he should remember that and stick to the formula,until football in Jamaica is at a high level, if he hopes to do anything worthwile.. As they say once lucky twice good. Your man is killing us Metro. Please beg him to retire.
Boxhill inherited a broke JFF also, so what? I wouldn't say this is an anti Burrel site I think it is balanced. It seemed like anti Boxhill site when he was around. Maybe it is an anti incumbent site. That is probably more accurate. Haven't been to the other site recently but I think this site is more relevant. Ten time the amount of traffic don't lie. That the JFF wont link this site is petty and one of the reasons why we need a new leader. Fifa agreed to the change. They didn't mind. Who knows if it could have worked without Burrells and his agents meddling. Boxhill and anyone with the similar vision is better than Burrell any day.
DIdnt DoubleB make a post about what he would do if he was president and days after Boxhill presented the same ideas as his own. This after everyone was enquiring what was Boxhill's plans/manifesto coz he presented nothing.
I think Boxhill tried his best but was sabotaged by Burrell all the way but Boxhill was learning on the job and would have done well if he had his own metro but hey... Ah suh it guh.
Whats funny is how metro sas boxhill ah fool fi shift the academy after fifa dun bless the place.
But is Burrell ah fool also for moving the academy a third time after fifa came back to Jamaica and bless the place twice?
From the debates I had with Carter and Jray I also came to the conclusion that Burrell is only interested in his own Portfolio and doesn't give a damn about the development of Jamaican Football. Hopefully you will listen to pelepapa metro..
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But is Burrell ah fool also for moving the academy a third time after fifa came back to Jamaica and bless the place twice?
JT you said Boxhill shift after fifa dun bless di place and then you argue why Burrell shift again . Let me say , idiot Boxhill was planning to build a Academy from ground up , it would have taken a huge amount of resources to do that . I forget the story with GC Foster College ,I guess University of the West Indies was a better place to invest 400 thousand USD which FIFA OWE us from the Goal Project .
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jt I am not so impress with anyone right now our football product is not growing, recruiting and player development for the senior team make me swear. Why? Everyone and everything is judge by the performance of the reggae boyz therefore we should go far and wide to build the flagship team. The academy is great and is needed but how do we plan to utilize it is another question. Do we plan to hire someone who can teach these bleeping kids to play properly. Well that will not come cheap... Can we find a sponsor for the academy which also pays for an international coach salary. Just a thought.
Burrell was going to build from scratch as well metro.. Cmon.. Getting the UWI link was just luck and not really a stroke of genius but the promised academy delivered on the cheap (maybe bcoz the money done spend). Its also a venture the UWI was gonna do anyway and they just give the JFF a bring in... So please dont make out that Burrell came up with a masterplan..
Mi nuh know what it ah guh tek for you to believe Burrell nuh care bout Jamaican Football. Burrell care bout himself. The JFF helps Burrell fi meet big connections cross the globe, and big up him status on our time. Stay deh. Unuh better nuh flop for the Brazil campaign.. Coz Burrell ah lose patience.
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