Many J'cans consider UB40 a "rip off" or "pseudo reggae" for being based where they are based others because the majority (if not all) of their hits are remakes. If $60k seems like a big fee how about Paul Anka's $348k for his performance last night opening the Viña de Mar festival in Chile??? Paul (has been for decades) Anka!!!!!
EDREAD, I can only talk about a experience I witness, when you are a small promoter and new to the system you have to do a lot of research and get your logistics right. If not you it will cost you an arm and a leg.
A fee in the agreed contract that the artist signs.
Please tell me an original song the UB40 wrote. That's why I use the term Rip Off, because you can never tell the real value of the royalties as it relates to performing the songs. Recording the songs is a bit different.
These are the aspects that have to be address also in reggae production in the future. I personally don't think reggae is dead. the music is going through a transition period for sure.
I just was listening to a group out of London that I never heard before called Misty in Roots..the CD Roots Controller awesome.
Where are the young groups to replace the Third World's, Chalice, Steele Pulse etc. Solo artist are good but we need some groups to replace these aging musicians.
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Eric, the point I am trying to convey is:
And this is just my opinion, there is no scientific study to suggest that the music is in decline because of out of reach appearance fees.
We Caribbean promoters who used to put on upto 5 shows per month with one bag of artists, we can't afford to do that anymore because we just can't meet the artists demands anymore. And Eric it's rather unfair of you to even try to compare any of the mentioned artists to Beyonce. Beyonce can pull a million patrons on her own, all the artists that I have mentioned, collectively they couldn't pull a million patrons.
Outside Jamaica and England, most of the mentioned artists dosn't have name recognition, Beyonce is a household name worldwide.
But, my main point is these reggae icons are sitting idle because of lack of work and in my opinion thier high demands fatcored with other issues are the reason for the sharp decline.
Wow.... I apologise Noel.. I thought you was just a bible basher. But that insight yu drop is a massive point. Coz upcoming bands and artists also get highlighted when the big boys do their appearances.
I also wanted to respond to Mark Wignall's commentary that Tman posted but time against me.. Later.
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As Mark wrote, and I said sometime ago, most artiste just want/deserve a rewind at passa passa, while Bob said decades ago when they accused him of watering down his music: "Me caan sing fe Jamaica alone," and we see the results, one of the biggest stars/earners on the planet, even 20 odd years after his death.
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Wow.... I apologise Noel.. I thought you was just a bible basher. But that insight yu drop is a massive point. Coz upcoming bands and artists also get highlighted when the big boys do their appearances.
I also wanted to respond to Mark Wignall's commentary that Tman posted but time against me.. Later.
Jt, I have been telling the Ites them all along that I am not religious. I am firm believer that Jesus Christ is the Creator of life, and his life brings light to mankind. In his light, we see ourselves as we really are (sinners in need of a Savior). When we follow Jesus, the true Light, we can avoid walking blindly and falling into sin. He lights the path ahead of us so we can see how to live. He removes the darkness of sin from our life. Have you allowed the light of Christ to shine into your life Jt? Let Christ guide your life, and you’ll never need to stumble in darkness.
Now back to the main topic.
Jt, Jamaica needs to call a reggae Summit and call it real fast. Everybody needs to be at the table:
Promoters, Artists, players of instruments, producers, Radio personalities, the media in general, distributors, industry insiders, everyone who has a vested interest in preserving and advancing our music. We should start advocating for such a summit right here on THE REGGAE BOYZ.COM
ok... Well Tman I was reading Wignall's take on the topic with interest up until he got to the point that he claims the DJ's diss the hierachy. The band, the singer, then the DJ.
Then he describes the DJ as someone with lower intelligence.
Once more, That to me is a fight against the poor.Has anyone ever heard of the Wailers and Bob. Me cant name one person in Beres Hammond's band. Nor in Sanchez's band. Why dem never call it The Dragonaires and Byron Lee.
Nothing more than like his take on the Air Jamaica saga, Wignall nuh want poor people fi get nutten. And the only DJ he knows seems to be yellowman.
Say what you want about the gaza yute, (and personally I dont rate him or the gully yute) I cant even remembers his name right now But Ramping Shop is a masterpiece. The other song, I'm so special has given a spark to nuff Jamaicans.
Wignall seems to want to keep the heirachy of band, singer then DJ suh him friend dem and him can mek more money. The band cant demand excessively coz they are not in demand and if the singers and DJ's adhere to this supposed system then promoter can get more money manager and everyone else can get a cut even though its the singer or DJ that bring the crowd. Some more Burrellism fi yu for those who dont understand Burrellism.
The uneducated and pauperised DJ now deh pon top and everything is their fault... kissteet.
Beenie man has chat some crap in his time but he is a born entertainer. Assasin and Babycham are not fools. What lyric of Shabba could one say was uplifting to Jamaicans but he is still one of the greatest.. Buju, Capleton, Sizzla...
I agree with the reggae summit and I also agree with tripeous...
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Once more, That to me is a fight against the poor.Has anyone ever heard of the Wailers and Bob. Me cant name one person in Beres Hammond's band. Nor in Sanchez's band. Why dem never call it The Dragonaires and Byron Lee.
And could any of these guys pack an arena singing A Capella? The point is a band is band it is a collective and even if the singer stand out more whether it's for voice or charisma people come for the music. It's all in the mix of the vocals and musical skills. Don't diss the musicians who have perfected their craft, it's not just some guys in the background they are the BACKBONE.
Jt, the artist singing over a track is not a concert that's friggin Karaoke that I hope you would never pay for. If the idea is to see the person, you may as well just pay for a handshake and an autograph backstage. Just my taste, but I like to hear a band play live and hear how they re-arrange the songs to get around the whole non-studio environment where there is no mixing. I like to hear if the singer can really pull it outside a studio and if so, I like to hear some variation from how they hit the notes on the album, clever change of lyrics, anything that is unrehearsed and new, those differences for me personally is a big part of the fun of going to a concert. Otherwise may as well stay home and listen to the CD.
In reggae it's all about riddim and if you have a wicked voice, charisma and good clever lyrics you really gone clear. But then again if you want to deny why Bob was placed in front of the Wailers go ahead, we know it's more because of the lighter colour of his skin than anything else - Mr Blackwell has said this many many times. Nuff man from that period feel it should have been Tosh and the Wailers. Anyway in music that favours instrumentation and appreciates such talents the people who don't sing at times go ahead of the singer...Kool and the Gang, Mike and the Mechanics....in groups like Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, The Who and Led Zepellin the guitarist is as popular if not moreso than the very flambuoyant lead singers in all cases. I think we lack some of that artistry in music in general and fans' appreciation of the collective. We should be using the technology as an aid to sell the music to a bigger audience and not be depending on drum machines and generic tracks to make the music, it takes away from the credibility while people from other countries are re-inventing our music.
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One guy in the UK who is "reinventing" the music and making it big is Paolo Nutini. He's gone back to the roots on some of his songs, and I mean way back to the original ska beat. Because of the red, gold and green CD sleeve, he might be termed another UB40, but his songs are original. I bet he sold more that Gully and Gaza put together in the UK last year. Check him out on You Tube.
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One guy in the UK who is "reinventing" the music and making it big is Paolo Nutini. He's gone back to the roots on some of his songs, and I mean way back to the original ska beat. Because of the red, gold and green CD sleeve, he might be termed another UB40, but his songs are original. I bet he sold more that Gully and Gaza put together in the UK last year. Check him out on You Tube.
Selling more than the two you mentioned shouldnt be too hard. I dont see their "supporters" having much in the way of buying power, and music sales are down anyway.
Most of the artiste in JA seem satified with the local adulation, and every now and then they will pass thru the pockets of JA/Carib pop. overseas. But I dont think they really sit back and think of the big wide world as the market place.
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We are not losing the music, the music has gone more global and with that comes the demand for more professionalism and a definite SYSTEM to build and sustain the music.'
We can't all take without also putting back it as its a cycle. We are now learning the price of BADMIND and that 100% of 0 is still 0.
Right now the creator needs her music to uplift her flocks globally and so if you aren't putting your talent to the services of God then how can you expect to reap the benefits of being one with God?
Reggae is a spiritual and mystic music and all you have to do is look at the music to see what survives.
Right now the music is where it should be as all this is for the glorification of the creator. We have to learn the hard way that we aren't American's and westerners and we haven't really learnt the power of the music and how it spiritually programs us.
Just imagine a 14 year old under him herb listening to Movado a tell him fi beat the Chiny K and you understand that none of this is by accident. The creator is getting the Youths dem ready fi the uprising. First was the AK-47's the weapon of choice for uprising, next was the boat loads of guns from Haiti by certain artists. Next is the stockpiling of weapons around the country
The training camp in the hills of Portland got busted and one of the many trainers(a yardie in the USA military) got stopped at the Miami airport with components for a roadside bomb. Just think on that for a second. J
Why would Jamaicans be interested in Roadside bombs and why would the USA be watching us so closely? Well the answer lies in the rising sprituality(look at the young and you will notice) and the fact that our ancestors have noted that its time.
Either we annihalate these so called elders or they will kill of the children. Its happening right before our eyes yet we refuse to see it. Playtime is over a deh so the thing reach and a the music along with playstation and the internet a program the youths and get them ready fi when the US run up inna Jamaica
Who have eyes to see will see. The prophet has spoken(yet again)
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Just imagine a 14 year old under him herb listening to Movado a tell him fi beat the Chiny K and you understand that none of this is by accident. The creator is getting the Youths dem ready fi the uprising. First was the AK-47's the weapon of choice for uprising, next was the boat loads of guns from Haiti by certain artists. Next is the stockpiling of weapons around the country
The training camp in the hills of Portland got busted and one of the many trainers(a yardie in the USA military) got stopped at the Miami airport with components for a roadside bomb. Just think on that for a second. J
Why would Jamaicans be interested in Roadside bombs and why would the USA be watching us so closely? Well the answer lies in the rising sprituality(look at the young and you will notice) and the fact that our ancestors have noted that its time.
Either we annihalate these so called elders or they will kill of the children. Its happening right before our eyes yet we refuse to see it. Playtime is over a deh so the thing reach and a the music along with playstation and the internet a program the youths and get them ready fi when the US run up inna Jamaica
Who have eyes to see will see. The prophet has spoken(yet again)
The emperor is mooning the people?
Very confusing- to me- message Shatta.
This sounds like PR work for Joseph Kony and The Lord's
lol.... Ananda alert.... missing is the original shatta cleve. Born on april 17th.. Frequents this website and LA sides, West coast and adda parts of the US..
This is a link to the BBC's iplayer. They have a series they call storyville on BBC4. This one is called rise up Reggae Star. The story of three artists trying to make it in Jamaica.
It features Turbulance and his wicked tune "I could have been one of the most NOTORIOUS".
For those who really want to know about reggea music.
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The PM's move to deny the extradiction of Dudus reminds me of the DJs. He's playing to the local audience while ignoring the bigger picture abroad. But unlike the local DJs, the entire population will pay when the US retaliates. Bruce has now lost all legitamicy in calls for dismantling the garrisons.
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My lords it a happen right before our eyes and the music is playing a major part of whats happening.
Note how people react to the type of songs being played
How do we react and act to the hype music and how do we react to Dennis Brown Love and Hate can never be friends?
Its the music that is programming the youths its the music that will be needed to calm them and tell them the oral traditions of their wisdom elders.
Look what Bob Music did for Africa?
Well then ask this question if not for the music to save us what would we be facing? Would that answer over there be "the bullet"?
Change the music and the spiritual trash that our youths are consuming both food and music and we change the youths and get them back.
ITs that simple and it all begins with LOVE
With a feeling that these are my children under my charge as a leader and I am honored to be chosen by the most high to assist in the grooming of the next generation.
I will leave no stones unturned to do the best job possible and make these youths better than me.
Until you can say that and mean it then you no need fi a lead anything with youths involved
A deh so it deh! If we no put our foot down now we will lose a generation. We have to start seeing things for what it is now
Talk time over we have to planning because its coming
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I keep remembering one of mutabaruka's lyrics... When he said whats the use we writing songs about sitting in the park wid yu woman when in reality when you sit in the park man come and rape yu woman and shoot you and her.. We have to write about reality..
Reality for the youths right now and for a long time sadly has only been slackness and guns.
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Artifacts being gathered for museum of Jamaican music
Wednesday, March 10, 2010
KINGSTON, Jamaica (AP) -- Jamaica plans to open a music museum next year that officials say will feature rare pieces from the island's music history, such as the sole album that the late reggae star Bob Marley produced before he gained international fame.
Artifacts will include a cassette tape in which another reggae great, Peter Tosh, jams a blues song with Mick Jagger and Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones, museum curator Herbie Miller said Sunday.
The tape was recorded in June 1977 in New York City, said Miller, who was Tosh's former manager.
It will be placed alongside the album Escape from Babylon by American singer Martha Velez that Marley produced
in 1976.
The museum is requesting donations to help preserve Jamaica's vibrant music history. The island's music preservation took a major hit two years ago when officials discovered that a massive collection of 1970s music, including original recordings by Marley and Tosh, disappeared from the archives of the former Jamaica Broadcasting Corporation (JBC).
The collection has not been found.
Miller said a date has not been set for the opening of the Jamaica Music Museum in Kingston. It will be operated by the government through the Institute of Jamaica, which oversees cultural affairs.
The only thing I'd argue is why in Kingston. A museum if done properly would be better suited for on the south coast hopefully to bring a likkle tourism ova suh or the north coast coz tourists deh there already.
Yawn yawn... Look like I have to draw out the pictures and vision mek dem see it... ahh bwoy... somebody help mi...
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