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#150334 - 02/22/10 08:52 AM
Re: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister
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ATU,
You’re such a Hypocrite. Do you even remember posting this?
“MODERATOR ....PLEASE,PLEASE, PLEASE MI A BEG YUH FI REMOVE SOME OF THESE NON-SPORTS ISSUES TO OTHER DISCUSSIONS”.
HYPOCRISY MEANS GIVING OUT OF WRONG MOTIVES. The term hypocrites, as used here, describes people who do good acts for appearances only-not out of compassion or other good motives. Their actions may be good, but their motives are hollow. These empty acts are their only reward, but God will reward those who are sincere in their faith. BIBLE READING: Matthew 23:1-39 KEY BIBLE VERSE: How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you won’t let others enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and you won’t go in yourselves. (Matthew 23:13) HYPOCRISY IS KNOWING THE TRUTH BUT NOT OBEYING IT. Jesus repeatedly exposed the hypocritical attitudes of the religious leaders. They knew the Scriptures but did not live by them. They didn’t care about being holy-just looking holy in order to receive the people’s admiration and praise. Today, like the Pharisees, many people who know the Bible do not let it change their lives. They say they follow Jesus, but they don’t live by his standards of love. People who live this way are hypocrites. We must make sure that our actions match our beliefs.
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#150337 - 02/22/10 09:45 AM
Re: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister
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The rubbish hip hop is the type that gets pushed by the white execs who pull the purse strings. It's no coincidence that hip hop from the likes of PE, The Roots etc etc don't get as much airplay or marketing as a 50 cent.
Positivity and militancy isn't what they want to market to the masses. As long as they can market the walking and talking stereotype like 50 cent everything curry.
Is Reggae suffering from something similar? Why is it that the nation is so into the Kartel-Mavado-Gaza-Gully business? We should be producing more Everton Blenders and Lucianos. We missed the boat ever since Silk's passing; maybe even before that.
For a guy with his obvious talent Sizzla is an extremely big disappointment with his occasional mad man utterings.
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#150338 - 02/22/10 10:51 AM
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You’re such a Hypocrite. Do you even remember posting this?
“MODERATOR ....PLEASE,PLEASE, PLEASE MI A BEG YUH FI REMOVE SOME OF THESE NON-SPORTS ISSUES TO OTHER DISCUSSIONS”.Noel, please don't try to hijack this thread with another crusade.
Reggae is a sport.
It enhances aerobic/anaerobic endurance.
Begging you boss, just turn the other cheek and let this
discussion go unheeded by devine intervention.
Do forgive is devine
Edited by rasputin (02/22/10 10:52 AM)
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#150340 - 02/22/10 11:55 AM
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Ras, I forgave the Hypocrite. I just wanted to show him his faults. Moderator, please let the vibz flow without any interruption. Thank you.
Edited by Noel2000 (02/22/10 11:56 AM)
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#150346 - 02/22/10 01:15 PM
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ATU,
You’re such a Hypocrite. Do you even remember posting this?
“MODERATOR ....PLEASE,PLEASE, PLEASE MI A BEG YUH FI REMOVE SOME OF THESE NON-SPORTS ISSUES TO OTHER DISCUSSIONS”.
HYPOCRISY MEANS GIVING OUT OF WRONG MOTIVES. The term hypocrites, as used here, describes people who do good acts for appearances only-not out of compassion or other good motives. Their actions may be good, but their motives are hollow. These empty acts are their only reward, but God will reward those who are sincere in their faith. BIBLE READING: Matthew 23:1-39 KEY BIBLE VERSE: How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you won’t let others enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and you won’t go in yourselves. (Matthew 23:13) HYPOCRISY IS KNOWING THE TRUTH BUT NOT OBEYING IT. Jesus repeatedly exposed the hypocritical attitudes of the religious leaders. They knew the Scriptures but did not live by them. They didn’t care about being holy-just looking holy in order to receive the people’s admiration and praise. Today, like the Pharisees, many people who know the Bible do not let it change their lives. They say they follow Jesus, but they don’t live by his standards of love. People who live this way are hypocrites. We must make sure that our actions match our beliefs.
Yes thanks I did make that request so what, this can be move to other discussion if you wish that does not make you a Hypocrite, I would say you were just expressing your views.
Yes I live in a GLASS HOUSE....
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#150347 - 02/22/10 01:23 PM
Re: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister
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Ras, I forgave the Hypocrite. I just wanted to show him his faults. Moderator, please let the vibz flow without any interruption. Thank you.
The "First Noel2000"........
" LET THAT IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE"
Hahahahahahaha
hmmmmm I am not a religious leader and thanks for pointing out my FAULTS...
as I wrote before I live in a GLASS HOUSE.......
I have more important concern now since Manunited drop points.
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#150352 - 02/22/10 03:40 PM
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Behave yu mouth Noel.. This is the reggaeboys site...
Reggae can chat... Reggeaboyz can chat.. Politics of the reggaeboys can chat.. Politics otf the reggea land can chat.. Even religion of the reggaeboys land..
But pure bible and preaching fi gwaan a church...
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#150356 - 02/22/10 06:38 PM
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No hard feelings mi bredrin, like I said, was just trying to show the hi the double standard weh the hi operate with, that makes you a hypocrite, but no man nuh perfect except Jesus Christ, so I am not mad at the hi. One love hya.
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#150358 - 02/22/10 07:12 PM
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Behave yu mouth Noel.. This is the reggaeboys site...
Reggae can chat... Reggeaboyz can chat.. Politics of the reggaeboys can chat.. Politics otf the reggea land can chat.. Even religion of the reggaeboys land..
But pure bible and preaching fi gwaan a church...
Jt, you naaw come a church, same thing goes for: True Trini, Ddread, Shaggy Bear, Marklon, T man, Chezpanzee aka Monkey man, so mi afi preach to oonu where mi find oonu.
The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon me, because the Lord has appointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to comfort the brokenhearted and to announce that captives will be released and prisoners will be freed. He has sent me to tell those who mourn that the time of the Lord’s favor has come, and with it, the day of God’s anger against their enemies. To all who mourn in Israel, he will give beauty for ashes, joy instead of mourning, praise instead of despair. For the Lord has planted them like strong and graceful oaks for his own glory.
They will rebuild the ancient ruins, repairing cities long ago destroyed. They will revive them, though they have been empty for many generations. Foreigners will be your servants. They will feed your flocks and plow your fields and tend your vineyards. You will be called priests of the Lord, ministers of our God. You will be fed with the treasures of the nations and will boast in their riches. Instead of shame and dishonor, you will inherit a double portion of prosperity and everlasting joy.
“For I, the Lord, love justice. I hate robbery and wrongdoing. I will faithfully reward my people for their suffering and make an everlasting covenant with them. Their descendants will be known and honored among the nations. Everyone will realize that they are a people the Lord has blessed.”
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#150359 - 02/22/10 07:24 PM
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Ras, I forgave the Hypocrite. I just wanted to show him his faults. Moderator, please let the vibz flow without any interruption. Thank you. The "First Noel2000"........ " LET THAT IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE" Hahahahahahaha hmmmmm I am not a religious leader and thanks for pointing out my FAULTS... as I wrote before I live in a GLASS HOUSE....... I have more important concern now since Manunited drop points.
You're not a religious leader, but you left the door open for me to get the word in. I am a Gunner for life, but this is a Chelski year, sorry to burst your bubble.
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#150365 - 02/23/10 03:26 AM
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AH who let Noel in pon dis topic. Should be shot with hot sxxxt.
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#150366 - 02/23/10 03:29 AM
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Dem kill Bob and give we Yellow Man, so this is the result.
Is DJ music just irrelevant noise?
Mark Wignall
Sunday, February 21, 2010
Leslie Galbraith once owned Galbraith's Electronics, from 1970 to 1994.
He is, like our living icon of the music industry Hedley Jones, a local pioneer in the electronics, sound system and music recording business. Jones, who is now in his 90s, built a solid-body wooden electric guitar in 1940, many years before the American musician/inventor teamed up with Gibson guitar company to launch the famous 'Les Paul' solid-body instrument.
MARLEY... released It Hurts To Be Alone in 1964
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In Marley's 1964 song It Hurts to be Alone, the guitar solo is by Jamaican great Ernie Ranglin. The synergy in the days when Jamaican music involved people of immense talent saw Bob Marley at the microphone singing, Ernie Ranglin the master guitarist with his hands on Jones' invention and at the recording console none other than Hedley Jones.
Synergy of this nature was the rule in those days and not the exception like the present times when every bark has a chance to be recorded in a Jamaican studio. Little did Toots and the Maytals know that in the mid-1960s when they recorded Dog War they were scripting a title that would best describe the quality of recorded music in Jamaica 40-plus years later.
Galbraith was the builder of amplifiers for most of the big sound systems which came about in Kingston in the post-World War II years. His story documents the rollicking ride of the sound system in which he was the silent man who gave life to the heavy thump of the bass and the reach of the higher notes to an audience eager to dance.
"There is no mystery to the Jamaican music phenomenon. People loved music; talented people made music; enterprising individuals got the music recorded; and the radio stations and the sound systems took the music to an enthusiastic public. To this day it continues. Somehow, Mr Graham Goodhall made it happen for some early singers and they were able to record a session in studio. A master was produced and a stomper press turned out the first local 78 and 45 discs. Then, of course, the dam broke and a deluge of rocksteady, ska and reggae erupted. Music and the sound systems have been and remain the voice of the Jamaican people," he said.
Presently, there are many voices and personalities trying to communicate a message. At the top of the pack is the politician who comes alive twice in every decade. He has dreams to sell and bundles of promises to unload. The preacher comes at least once per week, selling us his idea of a Biblical paradise. The talk-show hosts and the newspaper columnists are in it too, pretending they have the power to save the people from the bad guys. Parents try to convince their daughters to remain virgins, at least until they have passed a few CXC subjects. Many are the voices and the frayed edges of those parents trying to transmit a message to their sons that guns and drugs are nowhere to be found on a school timetable.
Then, of course, as we remove the chalk from the cheese we are left with the music DJs, the real masters of communicating a message. Add the power of the politician, the preacher, the media and the parent and it does not amount to 10 per cent of the power of the DJ in communicating a message.
Filth demanded, filth delivered
In the late 1980s I was in a bar off Whitehall Avenue when a 'song' recorded by a DJ who was popular then was being played. The DJ was relating his sadness at leaving his humble country home to come to town to seek his fortune.
In the song he spoke about his problems in finding sexual partners. After he had consigned all of the stinking dregs of his still untapped dementia on me the poor listener, his solution at the end was to return to country 'to mi one-teet granny' to have sex with her. To make matters worse, when I suggested to the barmaid that I and my friend found the song most offensive, she told us, with a screwed-up face, "Nuff people like it."
Long before Gully/Gaza gained its infamy, Jamaican DJ music was caught in a downward spiral, even as we were told by a few academics that critics of the genre were doing nothing more than launching class warfare against DJs. The thinking was that those of us who wrote newspaper columns were nothing more than hurry-come-up brats spoiled by too long a stay at the rich man's table. This was laughable because more than a few of us grew up and went to school in the very geographic areas where the present DJs sprang from.
Our real sins were that we saw times of good music and eagerly absorbed the good music which came out of the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s. Even as we became entranced with the magic of a Della Reese and Sarah Vaughn, we were captivated by Burning Spear, Israel Vibration, Peter Tosh, Bob Andy and Beethoven. As Marley told us in One Drop that he did not 'want no Devil's philosophy' we found time to 'drop legs' to Earth, Wind and Fire's Let's Groove Tonight and later make love to the strains of anything coming from Donna Summer.
A reader, Sherman Escoffery, sent me a well-written piece on the rise and fall of Jamaican music. His piece focuses on what he sees as the rise of untalented people in the business and the demand by people for delivery of their flawed productions.
In it the fly in the ointment is the DJ. He states:
"Jamaican music has caught up to the politics of country to be a broken wasteland of noise that is filled with incompetent, narcissistic people who have no allegiance or care to anything but themselves. The thing is that everyone wants to act like this just happened: it didn't. This cancer of noise has been spreading and slowly eating away at our music for over 15 going on to 20 years."
According to Escoffery, the slide began in the 1990s.
"In the early 90s when a lot of dancehall acts started interacting with American labels, a lot of the producers, musicians, artistes and managers took the money and didn't invest in quality music but instead short-changed the music. Talk to someone like Sly Dunbar and he will tell you about a lot of so-called reputable producers/musicians who got free work from their peers, with the idea behind such a move being reciprocity. They did not credit a lot of their peers who worked on their initial projects, and those who did were credited as work for hire. A lot of favours weren't returned for the initial free work and a lot of these so-called reputable musicians/producers, by the second run, delivered substandard results because they could not get any decent musicians to work with them the second time around.
"After that, everybody locked themselves off and did almost every aspect of production by themselves, ending a lot of great collaborations. Reggae music, which could be compared to a game of soccer, was basically turned into a game of tennis by selfish and egotistical musicians-turned-producers who just did not want to pay up front for work-for-hire or share possible earnings with their peers by giving them credit for their free work.
"Some musicians/producers did not even try again, they just took their lot, bailed on the music, and sat back criticising all day. The thing that a lot of people don't realise is that a lot of great Jamaican producers were not necessarily musicians or singers, but they were people who felt the music, understood the streets and understood the elements of bringing the right people together to create great sounds.
" Some were engineers, sound system operators and even record retailers. Some musicians criticised the Jammys, Germaine, Techniques, Digital B, Music Works because the producers for these labels weren't musicians for the most part, but these labels consistently put out great music for decades and they weren't one-hit or one-decade producers, but producers who endured and also ushered in many revolutionary changes in Jamaican music.
Substandard music of the present
"Bobby Digital was initially an engineer by profession but in his role as a producer, he still worked with people like Dean Fraser for harmony and vocal arrangements and individual brothers from the
Brownie family as musicians. Outside Of Clevie Brownie, Bobby Digital has found more success as a producer than the other Brownie brothers and Dean Fraser. The simple fact is that a lot of great music that has come out of Jamaica has been the result of great creative collaborations and not necessarily any one individual, and a part of the downfall has been the selfishness and greed that led a lot of people to isolate themselves so as not to share in the reward that comes from good music, not realising that 100 per cent of crap is still crap."
I was never a fan of Yellow Man. I have listened to some of his pieces and I find them revolting. But we should also remember that when he responded to the critics and tried to clean up his act, whenever he went 'conscious' (whatever that means) his fans were few. He would say, "Unnu want slackness?" and the fans would roar in response.
According to Escoffery, as the professional producers gave way to the pseudo producers, most of the production resulted in crap.
"Just pick up a good reggae album from the 70s to the mid-90s and look at the musicians' credit and the producers' credit, then find any album after the mid-90s with the same producers and look at the difference in musicians' credit and think about the results of both albums.
"I remember a producer telling me in the late 80s that one of the worst things that could happen in the Jamaican music is if DJs rose to the top of the musical ladder. You see, in Jamaican music, the initial order of importance in music was musicians, singers, and then DJs came last.
"After a while the order changed to singers, musicians with DJs still last. I still remember a well-known DJ refusing to sign on to a show because Sanchez was getting paid more than him. Granted Sanchez was selling more records, but that didn't matter to the DJ."
Incidentally, the DJ he mentions was the same one who I had mentioned earlier in relation to the bar on Whitehall Avenue. Escoffery further notes: "In the very late 80s to the early 90s the DJs managed to come to the top and the musicians were relegated to last with the singers in the middle."
DJ's musical literacy under question
It is no secret that the music industry is a rough business. Much of it involves 'badmanism' as desperate youth struggle to gain a foothold inside a studio to gain the acceptance of a well-known producer. Add to it the fact that a star DJ is the toast of his community and the wider constituency of wide-eyed youngsters starved for role models but equally hidden from all other forms of musical expression.
Many times the star DJ is forced to admit into his company youngsters with direct links to guns and criminality. At some stage the badness and the business merge and the result is all too often what is demanded by a brain-dead population: crappy music. In time the whole process from studio recording to producer acceptance to labelling to marketing to release becomes steeped in a crazy mix where the worst crap is produced.
Escoffery continues: "Now the simple fact is that the DJs were the deafest and most musically illiterate of the three. The DJs' musical illiteracy combined with the loss of competent musical collaboration because of selfishness basically guaranteed the downfall of Jamaican music. We see the results in the lack of quality music and the promotion of noise as music today. These songs are so bad they can't even make it to the Harbour View roundabout much less to get on a plane to go anywhere outside of Jamaica.
"The pinnacle for these songs is getting played at Passa Passa or being acknowledged in a local tabloid.
"Until we see a return or rise of competent and visionary producers in collaboration with good musicians that will guide the DJs and singers to record music that aspires to getting more than a forward at Passa Passa, Jamaican music will be stuck in the vast wasteland of irrelevant noise."
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#150367 - 02/23/10 04:42 AM
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You all need to cut out the diatribe and apply deductive reasoning to the subject.
Jamaica needs to enforce its Intellectual Property Rights across the board on everything Jamaican.
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#150370 - 02/23/10 07:21 AM
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Ras, I forgave the Hypocrite. I just wanted to show him his faults. Moderator, please let the vibz flow without any interruption. Thank you. The "First Noel2000"........ " LET THAT IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE" Hahahahahahaha hmmmmm I am not a religious leader and thanks for pointing out my FAULTS... as I wrote before I live in a GLASS HOUSE....... I have more important concern now since Manunited drop points. You're not a religious leader, but you left the door open for me to get the word in. I am a Gunner for life, but this is a Chelski year, sorry to burst your bubble.
Hypocrite. .........hmmmmmmmm (I am a Gunner for life)
Now how you are saying "I am a Gunner for life" but this is a Chelski year, sorry to burst your bubble.
YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNN.
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#150372 - 02/23/10 07:59 AM
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The nature of the crisis Jamaican music now faces
By Basil Walters Observer staff reporter
Sunday, February 21, 2010
The four-day 2010 International Reggae Conference at the University of the West Indies, Mona, which ended yesterday (Saturday, April 19), will be remembered mainly for its acknowledgement of and trying to come to terms with the serious image crisis reggae music now faces.
In presenting her paper, Reggae's Crisis of Image, publicist, Dr Hume Johnson stated that while the Jamaican music is largely respected worldwide, it is working itself through a crisis of image.
Buju Banton ... has an understanding of reggae and his place in it.
Dr Johnson lamented the fact that there is a growing perception that the message of "one love" which was synonymous with reggae, has been drowned out and replaced by what some have labelled hate music.
"But there is justified criticism and consensus that Jamaican music has tumbled as a source of education, inspiration, progressive ideas and socio-political change," Dr Johnson admitted.
"The world," she bemoans, "is now becoming increasingly familiar with the crude behaviours, vulgar messages emanating from Jamaica through music. This is what we now face -- deejays banned from performing in different countries across the world. Although the media regulatory agency in Jamaica -- the Broadcasting Commission -- has taken a decisive stand against music with violent or obscene content, it is notable that regulatory agencies in a range of countries, Germany and Belgium attach the term "hate music" to reggae and have enacted legislation to ban "media harmful to children/society".
Drawing on recent and well-known examples of artistes in crisis, the lecturer in journalism and communications at James Cook University in Australia explored how the deficits in public relations and effective crisis communication within reggae and dancehall music culture have helped to further consolidate its declining image; and the ways in which this could be counterbalanced with effective communication strategies, crisis planning and reputation management.
"I am not talking about spinning to make bad artistes look good, but maintaining stores of favourable opinion and positive relations with your various publics....Let's start with the most recent and perhaps most tragic example -- Buju Banton, homophobia and the American gay lobby. With more than 20 years experience in reggae and consistently effective management, Buju is not only media savvy but he has an understanding of reggae and his place in it; an appreciation of his duty and obligations to his race and his nation as evidenced by the quality of his music. Much of the international media coverage of Banton in recent years has focused on negative aspects of his message, personality and behaviour, notably his widely publicised clash of ideas with the gay lobby over homophobic lyrics. He is not alone. Elephant Man, Sizzla, TOK etc face similar challenges.
"Given that the popularity and success of many entertainers in Jamaica can be attributed to outlandish behaviour and shock value, the communication strategies applied to repair their image in a crisis is always going to be a challenge.
Artistes in crisis are, however, obliged to acknowledge failings, apologise, and then put the events in the past as quickly as possible," she concluded.
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#150373 - 02/23/10 09:10 AM
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Ras, I forgave the Hypocrite. I just wanted to show him his faults. Moderator, please let the vibz flow without any interruption. Thank you. The "First Noel2000"........ " LET THAT IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE" Hahahahahahaha hmmmmm I am not a religious leader and thanks for pointing out my FAULTS... as I wrote before I live in a GLASS HOUSE....... I have more important concern now since Manunited drop points. You're not a religious leader, but you left the door open for me to get the word in. I am a Gunner for life, but this is a Chelski year, sorry to burst your bubble. Hypocrite. .........hmmmmmmmm (I am a Gunner for life) Now how you are saying "I am a Gunner for life" but this is a Chelski year, sorry to burst your bubble. YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNN.
So, are you saying that because I am a Gunner for life I should ignore the fact that Chelski is playing the best football in the premiership? No sir that too would be hypocrasy. Give credit where credit is due. As long as Chelski can remain healthy, injury free, it will be an uphill battle for everyone else.
Well, lets keep the focus on the main topic: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister.
I used to be a reggae promoter and I had predicted this decline years ago, that's why I got out the business and not just myself, but many other promoters, all for the same reason.
The prominent Artists appearance fees got extremely out of reach,
and in some venues they can't even pull a 100 people, but still making these high demands in appearance fees, end result they become obsolete. I will give you a good example:
Two years ago Everton Blender demanded from me $15,000USD for a show in Jamaica now this man has not charted since 1993 and he is not the only one who has caused the music to decline in quality WHICH gave berth to gaza and gully garbage.
I am calling them out right here on Reggae Boyz Forum:
EVERTON BLENDER, SHABBA RANKS, HALF PINT, JUNIOR RIED, KEN BOOTHE, BARRINGTON LEVY, MIKAL ROSE, JIMMY CLIFF, COCO TEA,
MIGHTY DIAMONDS, TAMLINS, WAILING SOULS, STEELE PULSE, ISRAEL VIBRATION, INNER CIRCLE, ALL THE MARLEYS, BURNING SPEAR and just to name a few.
All thes guys are supposed to be Ambassadors for the music, but we as Caribbean promoters can't reach that high appearance fee that is being demanded by them, therefore they are unable to go about being Ambassadors because they don't have a promoter behind them because the promoter can't afford them now these guys are like sitting around the house just waiting and hoping that a promoter from Europe or Africa would call because they sure wont be getting a call from any Caribbean Promoters until they can become reasonable. So because of greed these Ambassadors of the music forced themselves from prominence and give rise to filth and garbage. There you have it.
Edited by Noel2000 (02/23/10 09:18 AM)
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#150375 - 02/23/10 09:35 AM
Re: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister
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Noel I agree with you on the fee etc. I am in Chicago where once an astist demanded $20k with meals & lodging etc & later he settled for & was paid $14k at a more established location, it kinda hard for a Jamaican promoter sometimes base on the artist past experience on payment etc. however on the other hand the Reggae rip off band UB40 got almost $60k for a show at a prime location and they are one of the biggest selling rip off reggae artist.
A Tman mention, these artist are not being paid their just due in the form of royalties etc. it's a long road..
GLORY GLORY Man-United.
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#150384 - 02/23/10 02:04 PM
Re: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister
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The "First Noel2000"........
So, are you saying that because I am a Gunner for life I should ignore the fact that Chelski is playing the best football in the premiership? No sir that too would be hypocrasy. Give credit where credit is due. As long as Chelski can remain healthy, injury free, it will be an uphill battle for everyone else.
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Man Utd goal: And that's 19 goals in 19 games. Not bad. Antonio Valencia crosses brilliantly from the right and Wayne Rooney pulls away from the defender to head in from a few yards out.
It's a tight race Manunited just 1 point back, look for Chelsea to slip up at least 3 time before the season is over.
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#150390 - 02/23/10 05:55 PM
Re: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister
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EVERTON BLENDER, SHABBA RANKS, HALF PINT, JUNIOR RIED, KEN BOOTHE, BARRINGTON LEVY, MIKAL ROSE, JIMMY CLIFF, COCO TEA,
MIGHTY DIAMONDS, TAMLINS, WAILING SOULS, STEELE PULSE, ISRAEL VIBRATION, INNER CIRCLE, ALL THE MARLEYS, BURNING SPEAR and just to name a few.
So whats your problem with these artistes? Sounds like you are suggesting that they should have a special rate for Caribbean promoters and not go for their true market price.
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#150391 - 02/23/10 06:08 PM
Re: Jamaica losing its grip on Reggae — Culture Minister
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[quote=ATU]Noel I agree with you on the fee etc. I am in Chicago where once an astist demanded $20k with meals & lodging etc & later he settled for & was paid $14k at a more established location, it kinda hard for a Jamaican promoter sometimes base on the artist past experience on payment etc. however on the other hand the Reggae rip off band UB40 got almost $60k for a show at a prime location and they are one of the biggest selling rip off reggae artist.
A Tman mention, these artist are not being paid their just due in the form of royalties etc. it's a long road..
GLORY GLORY Man-United. [/quote
So, ATU, what would you have considered a reasonable fee for the artiste in question? How do you arrive at that fee?
And why do you consider UB40 a rip off group?
If Beyonce ask for and was paid $1M USD in T&T during Carnival, what should say Luciano, or say Jah Cure be paid for a similar concert?
BTW, rumor has it that Beyonce quoted a JA promoter $750,000., maybe the extra $250,000 for T&T is becuase she knows they have oil.
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