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Originally Posted By: Tman
Trini: Noel, AKA Mr Slippery, will never take up your challenge as he cant take his computer with him to a debate so he can cut and paste and quote and quote and quote.
Tman, trying to seek help from the anti christ Trini? Trini can't even help himself on this forum, Trini dissed himself when he made the mistake and called me a fool when the Bible clearly states that he is the only fool in these spirited debates. Tman, atleast you believe in a god even though it's a pagan god. I thought you had better sense than that, why are worshipping allah the moon god?
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Originally Posted By: Tman
Coward, go and defend your point in public and stop talking foolishness on this forum.
You need to prove that I am talking foolishness and not just say it. The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.
The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel
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Christianity is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Roman/Greek cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Sun-god (Sunday, Christmas, Easter etc). As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Truth as revealed to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who came to put people back on the right path and away from Paulinity and his Roman/Greek cult. PS: Trini; ease up on the fraidy-fraidy "soldier" and allow him to take his PC to the debate. You know he does not have one original thought in his head and relies on "I Hate Islam.com" for all his cut and paste answers.
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Mithras and the origins of Christainity
The ancient religion of Mithras has been around a while. Images of him wrestling a bull abound in Roman cities. Mithras was highly practiced by Rome especially the soldiers and temples can be found as far away as Africa in the South and Scotland to the North. St Peter's in Rome is built over an old Mithraic temple. Mithras was an Iranian Zoroastrian god who was popular with Roman soldiers. Mithras was created by the chief deity, Ahura-Mazda, to save the world. The day of the virgin birth of Mithras was December 25 (the solstice) it was also referred to as Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, which means the birthday of the unconquered sun. Mithras was born of a virgin, in a cave or grotto on December 25th. His followers observed some gruesome ritual where they would stand in a pit with a grill overhead and wait for the bull to be sacrificed, one of the deals with Mithra worship. As the blood poured out on them they would 'wash' themselves in it to cleanse, renew and be born again and upon emerging from the pit, they had become like Mithras. Many ancient civilizations have a Sun God who is born on December 25th. Egypt had Osiris, there was Perseus and many others. Their stories all reflect each other. Born to a virgin, sacrificed for the good of the land. The winter solstic, December 21st, is the shortest day, the 22-24 within the Celtic religion being the nameless days...times of introspection and meditation awaiting the rebirth of the Sun on December 25th when the days once again begin to grow longer. Paul, in order to reach the great masses, had to make his version of religion acceptable to all and so these pagan practices/beliefs were woven into Christianity to create something that the people would accept and practice. Most of the New Testament is written by Paul and his works were the first written down. The next work was Mark which was done towards the end of the first century, and Matthew Mark and Luke generally reflect Paul’s way of thinking...but they did not scribe these works themselves. They were written down by someone else. Who? We don't know. Paul was able to mold Christianity in they way that he thought would best serve and as the 'church fathers' founded the church and its canon toward the end of the 4th century, they decided to put into the Bible what they thought would best serve them. A lot of 'truths' have been omitted from the Word of God, to the benefit of the men who founded the Church and grew rich from it and in order to gain the control over the masses that they needed at the time, since most of the world, was still pagan. The Catholic Church is the richest organization in the world, and they posses deep within the recesses of the Vatican documents that have been sequestered away for 20 centuries as it would disrupt the status quo and the very foundation of what Christians believe. Among the recorded similarities between Christianity and Mithraism are the following: * Virgin birth * Twelve followers * Killing and resurrection * Miracles * Birthdate on December 25 * Morality * Mankind's savior * Known as the Light of the world Mithras doesS have a resurrection story- see the stories of Mithras under the mountain (usually associated with Ararat- yup, the Ark one, which explains how it got it's "holy" status)- it also has the Mithraic angle on the end of the world, the last conflicts with Ahriman, etc). The symbol always associated with Mithras (aside from the obvious Phrygian cap, bull, dog and the rest of the usual symbology) is-- you guessed it- the cross. Mithraic (as well as other solar cults) used the symbol of the cross as a symbol of the Sun. This also puts an interesting spin on the story of Constantine's cross story....and how his Danubian troops (who already marched under the "Sol Invictis"- Mithras) were able to later convert that Mithraic symbol to a more respectible memory later.
The Cult of Mithras was largely wiped out-- violently-- by the early Christian Church, in violence usually associated with their internal squabbles. Perhaps they realized that, because they had copped so much from Mithras that they couldn't allow it to survive? It's interesting how most of the Mithraruem we find are under churches, monestaries and nunneries, while the few that aren't are those that had been buried and lost. Somebody was pretty ruthless in wiping out most of the sites of Mithras.
The winter solstice and winter holidays The northern hemisphere winter solstice, between December 20 and 23, is the time of year when the night is longest and the day shortest. What happened to the sun? If, in ancient times, you believed in gods and goddesses who take an active interest in human life, you might have thought it smart to do something to make the gods happy again so they might bring back the light. Why not honor them either with a great festival to persuade them to bring it back or a kind of gift-giving birthday party for the sun's annual rebirth? This was be the origin of the winter solstice holidays.
The Saturnalia The Saturnalia was a major holiday for the ancient Romans, with drinking, gift-giving, bonfires, candles, role reversals for slaves and masters. It lasted a variable number of days from 3-7 or more, depending on how successful the emperor was at legislating. Saturn (Cronus in Greek) was the original creator of man in the Golden Age, when there was no winter and everyone was happy. Saturn was ousted by his son Jupiter (Zeus) and life took a decidedly downward turn. So who steal from whom and what god are you worshiping now, Roman?
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