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#146979 - 12/29/09 02:22 PM
Allah - the Moon God
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Noel2000
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The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre- Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.
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#146986 - 12/29/09 05:03 PM
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Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites. "
In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon- god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.
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#146993 - 12/29/09 06:36 PM
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Of ALL the nonsense that you post here daily, this has to be the most nonsensical of all!
What is your education level?
Now I am an atheist of the highest degree, but why would you seek to denigrate the people's religion with stupid summaries from radical christian sites?
Are you not just cut from the same mold as the radical Islamics?
If you read that BS you posted above and you know any thing about Islam you'd know that it is utter rubbish. \ *****Sigh!*****
If there is a hell, it was made for fools just like you.
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#146998 - 12/29/09 06:50 PM
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Of ALL the nonsense that you post here daily, this has to be the most nonsensical of all!
What is your education level?
Now I am an atheist of the highest degree, but why would you seek to denigrate the people's religion with stupid summaries from radical christian sites?
Are you not just cut from the same mold as the radical Islamics?
If you read that BS you posted above and you know any thing about Islam you'd know that it is utter rubbish. \ *****Sigh!*****
If there is a hell, it was made for fools just like you.
Trini, you as an atheist of the highest degree is very quick to call people fool, but according to the Bible you're the only fool. Psalm 14: 1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
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#147005 - 12/29/09 07:50 PM
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If you read that BS you posted above and you know any thing about Islam you'd know that it is utter rubbish. \ *****Sigh
Trini the anti Christ, instead blowing hot air like the dragon you are, why don't you prove to me that what I posted about the pagan god allah and the demonic religion islam is rubbish, anti Christ I challenge you and any muhammadians to prove me wrong. This is one soldier of Jesus Christ that you cannot and will not muzzle. I am not Hamilton Israel, I don't compromise with evil, evil must be exposed, so Trini the anti Christ put up or shut up.
PSALMS CHAPTER 2
-----------------------------------------------------------------1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 ¶ I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 ¶ Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
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#147009 - 12/29/09 08:24 PM
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ahhhhhhhh there you go again calling me anti-christ.
You are a damn fool idiot.
You have not one drop of christian virtue in your soul.
You are nothing but a sounding bell, a loud noise.....reminds me of these verses something you obviously know nothing about.: 1 Corinthians 13 (New International Version)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor, and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
And guess who is the greatest of fools? You jackass!
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#147010 - 12/29/09 08:52 PM
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Hey you like challenges?
I issue you a challenge here and now. See some (any,even women and children) Muslims, and walk up to them and call them muhammadians. Then in the same sentence, I want you to tell them to their faces that they worship a pagan God, named Allah! Then after you take a deep breath tell them that their religion is rubbish and demonic.
After you do that, return here and make a post.
You are not a soldier for Christ, you could not even get enlisted in the Salvation Army as a Bell ringer on Christmass eve.
You are a false prophet gone out into the world to deceive whom you may. See how you are jumping from post to post like a mad man...I Peter Chapter 5 addresses you and your ilk to a capital "T." nhyate grhgorhsate oti o antidikoV umwn diaboloV wV lewn wruomenoV peripatei zhtwn tina katapih In Greek for you fella...Be sober be vigilant because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour. Take care yuh eh nyam yuhself.
I can hold a good discussion with people of learning and integrity...You lack BOTH.
I have knowledge of the Bible....and people like you, who run around saying 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
And your answer will be: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
You say that you are a soldier for Christ? Does a soldier not follow orders from his Superiors?
Was it not Jesus who said in Matthew 5:39: "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. "
Proverbs 8:13 addresses fools like you: "To fear the LORD is to hate evil. I hate pride, arrogance, evil behavior, and twisted speech."
Obadiah 1:3 also cries out to you sucker: The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
And finally, from the beatitudes: Matthew 7:: 1. Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.3. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4. How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
and finally Matthew 7 verse 6: Why people like you should never be preaching to others: "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
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#147011 - 12/29/09 09:13 PM
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And guess who is the greatest of fools? You jackass!
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The fool is Trini the anti christ, the atheist who says that there is no God when overwhelming evidence that points to God is all around you, but you too blind to see, but ready to call a soldier of the cross a fool. Yes I am making alot of noise, it's a command from God that I will carry out without compromise.
Isaiah 58:1 "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins"
ANTI CHRIST TRINI, fear and intimidation will not and cannot work on me, anti christ Trini. I am a soldier in the army of God. The Lord Jesus Christ is my Commanding Officer. The Holy Bible is my code of conduct. Faith, Prayer, and the Word are my weapons of Warfare. I have been taught by the Holy Spirit, trained by experience, tried by adversity, and tested by fire. I am a volunteer in this army, and I am enlisted for eternity. I will either retire in this Army or die in this Army; but, I will not get out, sell out, be talked out, or pushed out. I am faithful, reliable, capable, and dependable. If my God needs me, I am there. I am a soldier. I am not a baby. I do not need to be pampered, petted, primed up, pumped up, picked up, or pepped up. I am a soldier. No one has to call me, remind me, write me, visit me, entice me, or lure me. I am a soldier. I am not a wimp. I am in place, saluting my King, obeying His orders, praising His name, and building His kingdom! No one has to send me flowers, gifts, food, cards, candy, or give me handouts. I do not need to be cuddled, cradled, cared for, or catered to. I am committed. I cannot have my feelings hurt bad enough to turn me around. I cannot be discouraged enough to turn me aside. I cannot lose enough to cause me to quit. When Jesus called me into this Army, I had nothing. If I end up with nothing, I will still come out even. I will win. My God will supply all my needs. I am more than a conqueror. I will always triumph. I can do all things through Christ. Devils cannot defeat me. People cannot disillusion me. Weather cannot weary me. Sickness cannot stop me. Battles cannot beat me. Money cannot buy me. Governments cannot silence me, and hell cannot handle me!
I am a soldier. Even death cannot destroy me. For when my Commander calls me from this battlefield, He will promote me to a captain. I am a soldier, in the Army, I'm marching, claiming victory. I will not give up. I will not turn around. I am a soldier, marching Heaven bound. ____________________________________________________________ ANTI CHRIST TRINI, LOVE GOD AND LIVE.
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#147012 - 12/29/09 09:20 PM
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Of ALL the nonsense that you post here daily, this has to be the most nonsensical of all!
What is your education level?
Now I am an atheist of the highest degree, but why would you seek to denigrate the people's religion with stupid summaries from radical christian sites?
Are you not just cut from the same mold as the radical Islamics?
If you read that BS you posted above and you know any thing about Islam you'd know that it is utter rubbish. \ *****Sigh!*****
If there is a hell, it was made for fools just like you.
Again, anti christ Trini, prove me wrong or shut your mouth.
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#147015 - 12/29/09 09:29 PM
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Again, that you have posted is another person's thoughts. You copied and pasted again!
You are like a herpes sore ...you keep on coming back and making life miserable. HAVE YOU NOT ONE INDEPENDENT THOUGHT IN YOUR HEAD? ARE YOU CAPABLE OF MAKING A POST WITHOUT STEALING IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE?
You are a fake apostle gone out into the world disguised as a soldier.
The Bible calls for taking line upon line, precept upon precept. You quote things out of context and try to act like it makes sense? lol What a fool! Isiah 28:13
You are just like those scribes and Pharisees that Jesus spoke about. Those who like to make a spectacle so men can see their holiness....but even in that you fail...all you do is make yourself look like and sound like a market sketel!
2 Corinthinans 11:14&15 describes creatures just like yourself!
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Works fella, you shall know them by their fruits... Read Matthew 7
What fruits are you known by?
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Man does not live by bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God!
By the way FOOL...I graduated from an Evangelical Bible College and also have a degree in Divinity.
But I will let fools like you suffer yourself.
My beliefs are my beliefs, but I know a false prophet when I see one...and you are naught but a FAKE!
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#147016 - 12/29/09 09:52 PM
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anti christ, put up or shut up. Every book that you ever read, included text books in schools is somebody's thoughts, so what is your point? all you need to do is prove that what I posted is rubbish like you claimed. You made a claim now you need to back it up and now you cant back it up, so you're just blowing hot air, you just need to shut up and go away until you have something contructive to post.
anti christ Trini, how can you tell a false prophet when you're so blind to see that you were created by Jesus Christ as the scriptures says and not evolved from a monkey like you believe. Why are you making a monkey out of yourself anti christ? If I was satan I would be on your side, are you forgetting who is the anti christ in this discussion? let me remind you, YOU TRINI, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SATAN IS WORKING THROUGH, NOT ME. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN: GOD, THE BIBLE, JESUS CHRIST, THE RESURRECTION. ANTI CHRIST LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU START TO EQUATE GOD'S SOLDIER WITH YOUR FATHER, SATAN. JUST PUT UP OR SHUT UP. UP TIL NOW YOU HAVEN'T POSTED ANY THING CONSTRUCTIVE, JUST BLOWING HOT AIR.
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#147017 - 12/29/09 10:02 PM
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hahahahaha. Tell you what...I am in Miramar Florida and you are in West Palm. Why don;t we meet face to face,and have a discussion? Maybe at your church? Will you invite the anti christ to your church?
You up for that soldier boy?
Or you afraid as you have no original thoughts and will not be able to cut and paste?
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#147019 - 12/30/09 01:28 AM
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careful how unnu mek dah religion thing yah divide unnu my lord just keep the discussion going without warring(lef that to shatta)
seriously mi no waah cut in but mi have a question fi Truetrini and then you can go back to the war
I have one or two brethrins and friends who call themselves atheist so mi curious and want to know from wah day what makes people move dah side deh.
Is it a belief in no god? belief in evolution? or just fed up with religion?
the man can answer in the I own time this research is for my own use as mi try to better understand spirituality and religion
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#147036 - 12/30/09 06:20 AM
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A combination of all three.
1. Religion is so damned hypocritical. Saying one thing and doing another, especially these evangelical and organized religious bigots. Hating homosexuals, yet MANY of their leadership are homosexual or bi-sexual. Makes me wonder what they CAN like.
Catholic Church for ever hiding their crimes against children, hiding the perpetrators and denying their evil.
2. Just cannot see a God in this world. If he ever existed he does not give a damn about mankind or the planet. He is aloof and just as vain glorious as the despots and mad men we have had to deal with on this earth. He is so mighty, so great, so wonderful, yet we have to praise him continuously, telling him how great he is, how grateful we are for the hardship, death, destruction and diseases and natural disasters we have to face.
Yet pride goes before a fall? He makes rules for us, yet he does not follow the rules of fatherhood. If he is indeed all powerful, all knowing and all caring, why l;et people suffer and die so much?
If you have children and could stop them from death and illness, what would you do?
3. YES! I see evidence of evolution all around me and it is obvious that evolution is REAL!
Shatta...look at elements of Islam...they blow up innocent people, kill in God's name, saying God is great....why? if God is so great, why not let him do his own killing? He allows enough destruction through "Acts of God" already!
And look at the Christians....Jesus is love they say, we are on the true path they cry...yet they hate Muslims, calling them worshippers of Sun God, demons, camel jockeys, rag heads etc. Jesus was a rag head too! He walked the same land, dressed the same way, ate the same food etc. yet they are quick to denounce and hate. And look at the wars, slavery, corporate skullduggery they involved in today!
They are apostates and liars and killers.
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#147037 - 12/30/09 06:22 AM
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hahahahaha. Tell you what...I am in Miramar Florida and you are in West Palm. Why don;t we meet face to face,and have a discussion? Maybe at your church? Will you invite the anti christ to your church?
You up for that soldier boy?
Or you afraid as you have no original thoughts and will not be able to cut and paste?
anti christ, I make no pact with evil, all I need you to do is prove me wrong on this site, and you're so disobedient, I told you to go away until you have something constructive to offer, but you're just offering up the same old hot air.
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#147038 - 12/30/09 06:27 AM
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hahahahaha. Tell you what...I am in Miramar Florida and you are in West Palm. Why don;t we meet face to face,and have a discussion? Maybe at your church? Will you invite the anti christ to your church?
You up for that soldier boy?
Or you afraid as you have no original thoughts and will not be able to cut and paste? anti christ, I make no pact with evil, all I need you to do is prove me wrong on this site, and you're so disobedient, I told you to go away until you have something constructive to offer, but you're just offering up the same old hot air.
I see that your faith is weak. You resort to name calling fool. Never have any original thoughts in your head, and will not try to invite a non believer to your church. What good are you? Is your only function one of wasting good space?
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#147040 - 12/30/09 06:37 AM
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hahahahaha. Tell you what...I am in Miramar Florida and you are in West Palm. Why don;t we meet face to face,and have a discussion? Maybe at your church? Will you invite the anti christ to your church?
You up for that soldier boy?
Or you afraid as you have no original thoughts and will not be able to cut and paste? anti christ, I make no pact with evil, all I need you to do is prove me wrong on this site, and you're so disobedient, I told you to go away until you have something constructive to offer, but you're just offering up the same old hot air. I see that your faith is weak. You resort to name calling fool. Never have any original thoughts in your head, and will not try to invite a non believer to your church. What good are you? Is your only function one of wasting good space?
Again anti christ, look who fits the biblical definition for a fool:
Passage: Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
That would be Trini the true anti christ, since I believe and serve the one true God, Jesus Christ.
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#147042 - 12/30/09 06:46 AM
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How can you..YOU say that you love God whom you have never seen, yet hate your neighbour whom you have seen fool?
You are a coward and have no place in ANY army except as a boot licker.
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#147046 - 12/30/09 07:02 AM
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How can you..YOU say that you love God whom you have never seen, yet hate your neighbour whom you have seen fool?
You are a coward and have no place in ANY army except as a boot licker.
anti christ, I see evidence for God all around me, and only God knows my heart, so anti christ you're in know position to tell me who I love or who I hate, but since you're curious I will let you in on a little secret.
I love all of God's creation, yes that would include you too anti christ, what I hate is the wicked satanic spirits that people are allowing to become operational in them. Not because I call you anti christ, that doesn't mean that I hate you, evil must be identified and be exposed. I am merely attacking the spirit of anti christ that is working through you. I have no doubt that you are a good person, after all you were created by good who looked at his creation and said: "it is good"
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#147150 - 01/02/10 01:41 PM
Re: Allah - the Moon God
[Re: Noel2000]
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Tman
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Trini: Noel, AKA Mr Slippery, will never take up your challenge as he cant take his computer with him to a debate so he can cut and paste and quote and quote and quote.
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Assalamu alay kum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu (Peace, mercy and blessings be upon you)
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