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According to the 109th Surah of the Qur’an, Muhammad and the unbelievers did not worship the same Being:
Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. S. 109:1-6 Pickthall
The problems that this Surah poses should be apparent to anyone familiar with both the Qur’an and the Islamic traditions.
First problem: Whom exactly is this Surah referring to?
(a) The People of the Book (Jews, Christians, perhaps Sabians)? (b) The Meccan idolaters?
The Qur’an itself does not specify whom Muhammad is supposed to address this way.
Second problem: Whether it is option (a) or (b) above, Surah 109 contradicts other passages in the Qur’an which state that both groups were worshipping the same God as the Muslims.
Passages claiming that group (a) worshipped the same God:
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. S. 2:62 Shakir
Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone. S. 2:139 Pickthall
Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). S. 3:64
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. S. 29:46 Pickthall
Passages showing that group (b) also worshipped the same God, even though they worshipped a host of other gods and goddesses along with Allah:
If indeed thou ask them who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law), they will certainly reply, "Allah". How are they then deluded away (from the truth)? Allah enlarges the sustenance (which He gives) to whichever of His servants He pleases; and He (similarly) grants by (strict) measure, (as He pleases): for Allah has full knowledge of all things. And if indeed thou ask them who it is that sends down rain from the sky, and gives life therewith to the earth after its death, they will certainly reply, "Allah!" Say, "Praise be to Allah!" But most of them understand not. S. 29:61-63
The worshippers of false gods say: "If Allah had so willed, we should not have worshipped aught but Him - neither we nor our fathers,- nor should we have prescribed prohibitions other than His." So did those who went before them. But what is the mission of messengers but to preach the Clear Message? S. 16:35
The pagans in the preceding passage were basically repeating what Allah supposedly said to Muhammad:
If it had been Allah's plan, they would not have taken false gods: but We made thee not one to watch over their doings, nor art thou set over them to dispose of their affairs. S. 6:107
Finally:
Surely pure religion is for Allah only. And those who choose protecting friends beside Him (say): We worship them only that they may bring us near unto Allah. Lo! Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Lo! Allah guideth not him who is a liar, an ingrate. S. 39:3
In the above passage we see that the pagans’ MAIN direction of worship was Allah, that the other gods were only intermediaries/intercessors for the purpose of bringing them near to Allah! Thus, Allah was not just one of their many gods, but he was the main and highest one of all their gods.
In fact, the very name of the worst sin in Islam, SHIRK, means "association". Associating what (other gods) with WHOM? With Allah of course! The very name of this sin would not make sense if their gods were all distinct from Allah. It presupposes that Allah is one of their gods.
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Keep reading the Qur'an, if its the will of Allah He may show you the true path. "Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. S. 109:1-6 Pickthall" This is addressed to the unbelievers as it says in the first three words. Are you saying that Muslims worship the "son of god" and "yahwey" of the Jews? This is what this passage is refferring to, context, context, context. The other passages are aboot the true God that SOME of the Jews and Christians are worshiping. The Qur'an does say that some Jews and Christians will be saved, so there is hope for you yet. Whats the point of banging on about pre-islamic times? Muhammad (PBUH) came with the Truth and this is what we follow.
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Mr Ducky, this was for you, if you can't answer it then ask Trini your mentor to answer for you, if he can't answer ask dread the anancy story teller fi help you, Marklon can't even help himself, so I wouldn't even suggest that you ask him, a mi friend still though.
Suppose you stumbled upon the Constitution of an organization that was terrorizing the world. Would you ignore such a document, or would you read it? Suppose you discovered that this Constitution's most prominent themes were pain and punishment, thievery and violence, intolerance and war. If the regime's charter ordered its devotees to kill, plunder, and terrorize, would you sound an alarm?
What if this Constitution was supported by a manifesto that contained the only authorized biography of the regime's founder, and the first devotees of this doctrine, its co-founders, said that their leader was a sexual predator, a pirate, and a terrorist? If you found such evidence, what would you do with it? What if this leader motivated his mercenaries to murder and mayhem by allowing them to keep what they had stolen in the name of the cause - their victim's homes, businesses, money - even their women and children?
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I am tired of your cut and paste from "I hate Islam.com". Cant you come up with an original thought? Why dont you put up or shut up and meet Trini in an open debate? He will even allow you to take your PC so you can look up the answers. How does a "soldier" like you salute? Hands in the air in the surrender position!!!!!
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